Are there any bad matchups even with class advantages?

Are there any other instances where a champ gets countered by another despite having the class advantage? Or just champs having an ability that counters their stronger class/is weak against the weaker class?

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H3t3r

Nimrod against bishop is one.

willrun4adonut

Kingpin against void isn't the best

JK_47

Doom vs terrax
Nimrod vs Bishop
Metal vs magneto
Apoc vs kingpin

willrun4adonut

Doom vs terrax
Nimrod vs Bishop
Metal vs magneto
Apoc vs kingpin

Apoc is my go to against Kingpin. Why'd you list that one?

EdisonLaw

Doom vs terrax
Nimrod vs Bishop
Metal vs magneto
Apoc vs kingpin
Apoc is my go to against Kingpin. Why'd you list that one?

Although Kingpin cannot purify Apocalypse's debuffs, he can still stack tons of rage buffs

Ercarret

Lots of great answers already. I'll just add that any champion that places damaging debuffs on you is a nightmare if you don't have the corresponding immunity or ability to purify/cleanse those debuffs or otherwise prevent them from applying. Someone like iBom is a nightmare for tons of champions in the Skill class, for example. Same thing with Havok. There are a lot of Tech champions with armor up buffs, but he's still a nightmare for anyone who don't have one.

I also find Sersi to be really annoying to fight even with Mystic champions. If you fail to get the fight under control early and she gets to her glancing buff, stuff gets really complicated really fast. Obviously, there are a few Mystic champions that just shut her down, but there are also a lot of champions in that class that struggle.

EdisonLaw

Lots of great answers already. I'll just add that any champion that places damaging debuffs on you is a nightmare if you don't have the corresponding immunity or ability to purify/cleanse those debuffs or otherwise prevent them from applying. Someone like iBom is a nightmare for tons of champions in the Skill class, for example. Same thing with Havok. There are a lot of Tech champions with armor up buffs, but he's still a nightmare for anyone who don't have one.

I also find Sersi to be really annoying to fight even with Mystic champions. If you fail to get the fight under control early and she gets to her glancing buff, stuff gets really complicated really fast. Obviously, there are a few Mystic champions that just shut her down, but there are also a lot of champions in that class that struggle.

Glancing is annoying unless you have a bleed champ

Feeney234

BWDO against Human Torch. If you dont know about it, go check it out 😂 very annoying.

GhostFace2022

Masacre VsHuman Torch. I was at 100 percent and I instantly died after a minute due to incinerate

SonOfArgu16

Spider Supreme vs Heimdall, not a great idea to use a champ whose main kit relies on placing buffs on a champ who actually benefits from numerous buffs. I haven't even dealt 20% damage, and Heimdall already had more than 15 persistent buffs on him

Similarly any Energy Based Mystic champ against Captain Marvel Movie is just a suicide run

Mauled

Doom vs terrax
Nimrod vs Bishop
Metal vs magneto
Apoc vs kingpin
Apoc is my go to against Kingpin. Why'd you list that one?

If it’s a short-medium fight he’s fine but it gets a bit obnoxious if it’s a long fight with his CPR. It’s not a terrible matchup but it’s definitely not ideal.

AverageDesi

Spider Supreme vs Heimdall, not a great idea to use a champ whose main kit relies on placing buffs on a champ who actually benefits from numerous buffs. I haven't even dealt 20% damage, and Heimdall already had more than 15 persistent buffs on him

Similarly any Energy Based Mystic champ against Captain Marvel Movie is just a suicide run

Suicide for CMM you mean. She get wrecked

raviXsharma

Warlock vs magneto

LexSavi

Spider Supreme vs Heimdall, not a great idea to use a champ whose main kit relies on placing buffs on a champ who actually benefits from numerous buffs. I haven't even dealt 20% damage, and Heimdall already had more than 15 persistent buffs on him

Similarly any Energy Based Mystic champ against Captain Marvel Movie is just a suicide run

I use BWCV against her pretty often. Yes she goes binary quick, but those buffs feed BWCV and provide a ton of power, which leads to very quick SP2s and the win.

Another reason BWCV is my BAE.

KnightOfTheRealm

Doom vs terrax
Nimrod vs Bishop
Metal vs magneto
Apoc vs kingpin

Doom is fine against terrax...

SidDDragon

Most skill champs vs og abom
Attuma and ddhk vs void
Terrax vs duped warlock(terrax takes constant degen damage when rock shield is up during infection)
Idoom vs havoc(I use havoc as an idoom trap many times in bgs as havoc has strong energy resistance and the fight is always long)

Ngoalong711

jugg vs knull

Ayden_noah1

jugg vs knull

I wish they would change Juggs to only a certain non damaging debuff like weakness and/or parry to be able to remove his gem. So many Cosmic champs can remove his ability with much of a hassle and it makes him so much weaker.

EdisonLaw

jugg vs knull
I wish they would change Juggs to only a certain non damaging debuff like weakness and/or parry to be able to remove his gem. So many Cosmic champs can remove his ability with much of a hassle and it makes him so much weaker.

Maybe only non-Cosmics can remove the gem?

EdisonLaw

Doom vs terrax
Nimrod vs Bishop
Metal vs magneto
Apoc vs kingpin
Doom is fine against terrax...

Bur you can't do the doom cycle against him

EdisonLaw

sorry mistyped.

EdisonLaw

Anyways, updated list:
1. Taskmaster vs Havok
2. Havok vs IMIW
3. Ebony Maw vs Electro
4. Killmonger vs Nightcrawler
5. Blade vs Spidey champs
6. Black Widow CV vs Human Torch
7. Shuri vs Bishop
8. Galan vs 80% of Mystics
9. Tigra, Wiccan, Rintrah vs Thing

GroundedWisdom

AA vs. Korg.

SonOfArgu16

Anyways, updated list:
1. Taskmaster vs Havok
2. Havok vs IMIW
3. Ebony Maw vs Electro
4. Killmonger vs Nightcrawler
5. Blade vs Spidey champs
6. Black Widow CV vs Human Torch
7. Shuri vs Bishop
8. Galan vs 80% of Mystics
9. Tigra, Wiccan, Rintrah vs Thing

How are the following matchups bad for the one with the class advantage:
Havok vs Taskmaster
Electro vs Ebony Maw
Nightcrawler vs KM
Blade vs Spiders (Science Class)
Torch vs CV
Mystics Vs Galan

Emilia90

jugg vs knull
I wish they would change Juggs to only a certain non damaging debuff like weakness and/or parry to be able to remove his gem. So many Cosmic champs can remove his ability with much of a hassle and it makes him so much weaker.

But he’s still a top mystic battlegrounds champ. Seen him do the most insane stuff in 40 seconds and take out some of the hardest defenders. Also, most cosmics don’t do much to him lol. I’ve even seen him take Herc pretty easily despite the infuriate

Djin

Anyways, updated list:
1. Taskmaster vs Havok
2. Havok vs IMIW
3. Ebony Maw vs Electro
4. Killmonger vs Nightcrawler
5. Blade vs Spidey champs
6. Black Widow CV vs Human Torch
7. Shuri vs Bishop
8. Galan vs 80% of Mystics
9. Tigra, Wiccan, Rintrah vs Thing
How are the following matchups bad for the one with the class advantage:
Havok vs Taskmaster
Electro vs Ebony Maw
Nightcrawler vs KM
Blade vs Spiders (Science Class)
Torch vs CV
Mystics Vs Galan

Taskmaster reduces dubuff potency by 10% for each debuff applied on him. Havok needs to place 11 plasma to detonate. Taskmaster will never receive the 11th plasma... so it never detonates.

Thomildo

Kingpin vs Void is a terrible idea.

EdisonLaw

2024 update:
Maestro vs Mephisto (incinerate immune, passives)
Photon vs Korg (energy attacks)
Shocker vs Maestro (before shocker nerf)
Magneto Red vs Prowler (Prowler is metal)
Onslaught vs Nimrod (shock immune, neuroshocks)
Havok vs Shuri (shocks)