Why is Captain America science and not skill?

EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,869 ★★★★★
I get that he was enhanced by a science serum, but he was also trained in the military, and is one of the best fighters ever, knowing tons of martial arts. so why is Cap not skill?

BTW, I am also talking about Cap IW
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  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,869 ★★★★★
    edited May 2023

    Looks like you answered your own question

    Not quite. Cap is a highly skilled fighter, so why not skill?
  • KeltanKeltan Member Posts: 526 ★★
    Just accept it he is science champs.. and move on ...
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,129 ★★★★★
    edited May 2023
    EdisonLaw said:

    Looks like you answered your own question

    Not quite. Cap is a highly skilled fighter, so why not skill?
    Skill champions are either non-powered humans that excel in fighting or powered beings with powers who are great fighters who didn't get their powers from science.

    Spider man stealth suit is the only one who has powers from science. But that's the class Marvel agreed for him to be in.
  • ReignkingTWReignkingTW Member Posts: 2,774 ★★★★★
    Have you seen the movie? He was useless before the serum.
  • Vance2_jrVance2_jr Member Posts: 754 ★★★
    He didn’t get that swole from spending time the gym. He got that swole from ‘roids made by SCIENCE-tists, son. Sciencey ‘roids.
  • LpooLpoo Member Posts: 2,215 ★★★★★
    Falcon has tech to fly, but he is skill. Sometimes you gotta accept it the way it is and keep steppin'
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,720 Guardian

    EdisonLaw said:

    Looks like you answered your own question

    Not quite. Cap is a highly skilled fighter, so why not skill?
    Skill champions are either non-powered humans that excel in fighting or powered beings with powers who are great fighters who didn't get their powers from science.

    Spider man stealth suit is the only one who has powers from science. But that's the class Marvel agreed for him to be in.
    Night Monkey is a highly skilled fighter whose origins are shrouded in mystery.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6WEvHsvzOQ
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,159 ★★★★★
    Everything special about him came out of a bottle.
  • SearmenisSearmenis Member Posts: 1,650 ★★★★★
    It s like saying, Adam Warlock should ve been Science.
  • raviXsharmaraviXsharma Member Posts: 574 ★★★
    Because he is a laboratory experiment. Everything special about him came out of a bottle
  • ShadowstrikeShadowstrike Member Posts: 3,110 ★★★★★
    Searmenis said:

    It s like saying, Adam Warlock should ve been Science.

    And there's a fair argument to support that belief but considering that he was engineered from Alien DNA to be a powerful Cosmic being also brings the conversation back to him being a cosmic
  • GMAX77GMAX77 Member Posts: 512 ★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    I get that he was enhanced by a science serum, but he was also trained in the military, and is one of the best fighters ever, knowing tons of martial arts. so why is Cap not skill?

    BTW, I am also talking about Cap IW

    I see this like a Dr.Doom situation. Victor Von Doom is one of the most proficient technical geniuses in Marvel Comics, but he is also a master of the mystic arts. When Doom was released he could have easly been made a tech champion, but they went mystic.

    BUT

    Flash forward several years later and we see the addtion of "Infamous Iron Man" A.K.A. Iron Doom. Surprise surprise, he is a tech champion (and a very good one at that).

    Black panter is maybe the other side of that coin. I see no reason why he (or Killmonger for that matter) could not have been tech, science, or mystic as well. In their case, Skill won out so both BPs, Killmonger, and Jabari are the same class.

    As @DNA3000 referenced there are many characters who could be considered "multi type", but since the game does not use Pokemon classification they have to be one or the other. This does leave the door open for alternative versions of characters to come out who are classed differetnly.

    Some of the examples which are already in game include:
    Steve Rogers (Super Soldier)

    This could be the "Skil" Cap. His moves could focus on combat and possibly have an awakening to shrug debuffs similar to Kingpon (Awakened Ability: I can do this all day)

    Black Panther (T'Chaka)

    Here is a Black Panther mystic champ. I could see a playstyle which would be a cross between BP Classic and Tigra. Imagine BP but instead of bleeds he causes ruptures. (Awakened Ability: Wakandan Legacy - periodically causes BP to cause 2 ruptures instead of one)

    Green Goblinn (No Way Home)

    This "science" goblin will rely more heavily on debuffs than the tech version, but could still incorporate some tech type abilities such as power drain and armor up (which would rare for a science champ). Awakening: True Self - Maybe a stat boosting or regen inducing awakening ability for this guy. Nothing game breaking, but useful)

  • pseudosanepseudosane Member, Guardian Posts: 4,003 Guardian
    because the science serum is what made him superhuman. otherwise he would just be a skilled human being.
  • SearmenisSearmenis Member Posts: 1,650 ★★★★★

    Searmenis said:

    It s like saying, Adam Warlock should ve been Science.

    And there's a fair argument to support that belief but considering that he was engineered from Alien DNA to be a powerful Cosmic being also brings the conversation back to him being a cosmic
    Exactly. Same with Cap IW.
  • UnOriginalUnOriginal Member Posts: 729 ★★★
    About carácter with multi type karnak needs both skill and Cosmic catalizators to level up
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,869 ★★★★★

    About carácter with multi type karnak needs both skill and Cosmic catalizators to level up

    Honestly looking back, I do think this is a great option to solve issues like this in the game

    Examples:
    Dr Doom: Mystic and Science

    Ant Man, Wasp, Cassie, Yellowjackee Ghost: Tech and Science

    Green Goblin: Tech and Science

    Captain America: Skill and Science

    Dragon Man: Mystic and Tech

    Quake: Cosmic and Science

    Korg, Thor Rags, Valkyrie: Skill and cosmic

    Magik and Scarlet Witch: Mystic and Mutant

    Phoenix: Cosmic and Mutant
  • GilbertoJuniorGilbertoJunior Member Posts: 86
    EdisonLaw said:

    About carácter with multi type karnak needs both skill and Cosmic catalizators to level up

    Honestly looking back, I do think this is a great option to solve issues like this in the game

    Examples:
    Dr Doom: Mystic and Science

    Ant Man, Wasp, Cassie, Yellowjackee Ghost: Tech and Science

    Green Goblin: Tech and Science

    Captain America: Skill and Science

    Dragon Man: Mystic and Tech

    Quake: Cosmic and Science

    Korg, Thor Rags, Valkyrie: Skill and cosmic

    Magik and Scarlet Witch: Mystic and Mutant

    Phoenix: Cosmic and Mutant
    Actually Dragon Man would be Mystical and science,he is not a robot like the game says,he is a living statue of Clay that Diablo brought to life with his potions, the metal and Robot Tag are Just Kabam doing a bad lore research
  • ArmageddønArmageddøn Member Posts: 875 ★★★★
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,869 ★★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    About carácter with multi type karnak needs both skill and Cosmic catalizators to level up

    Honestly looking back, I do think this is a great option to solve issues like this in the game

    Examples:
    Dr Doom: Mystic and Science

    Ant Man, Wasp, Cassie, Yellowjackee Ghost: Tech and Science

    Green Goblin: Tech and Science

    Captain America: Skill and Science

    Dragon Man: Mystic and Tech

    Quake: Cosmic and Science

    Korg, Thor Rags, Valkyrie: Skill and cosmic

    Magik and Scarlet Witch: Mystic and Mutant

    Phoenix: Cosmic and Mutant
    Actually Dragon Man would be Mystical and science,he is not a robot like the game says,he is a living statue of Clay that Diablo brought to life with his potions, the metal and Robot Tag are Just Kabam doing a bad lore research
    Forgot. I also thought he was a robot.
  • Swixsy_63Swixsy_63 Member Posts: 36
    EdisonLaw said:

    I get that he was enhanced by a science serum, but he was also trained in the military, and is one of the best fighters ever, knowing tons of martial arts. so why is Cap not skill?

    BTW, I am also talking about Cap IW

    EdisonLaw said:

    I get that he was enhanced by a science serum, but he was also trained in the military, and is one of the best fighters ever, knowing tons of martial arts. so why is Cap not skill?

    BTW, I am also talking about Cap IW



    He was trained in the military true but it isn't what his origin story was he was skinny and everyone maked fun of him or haven't considered him to be well worth it enough to serve so when he got considered as a candidate for the super soldier serum he got buffed and amped up with super strength

    You know what would make it better if we were able to make dual class champions which has them showing utilities in both their classes
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,869 ★★★★★
    Well, he is also defined by his mastery over his shield, his combat strategy, and his mastery of martial arts, not just the super soldier serum. He can go in either science or skill.
  • Blackjack555yyBlackjack555yy Member Posts: 56

    EdisonLaw said:

    Looks like you answered your own question

    Not quite. Cap is a highly skilled fighter, so why not skill?
    Skill champions are either non-powered humans that excel in fighting or powered beings with powers who are great fighters who didn't get their powers from science.

    Spider man stealth suit is the only one who has powers from science. But that's the class Marvel agreed for him to be in.
    That's meaningless tbh

    Winter soldier is a skilled fighter, whose most prominent feature are the serum or a literal metal arm (tech) same for misty, Falcon depends on tech as well, Thor is literally a god, Squirrel girl has super powers, valkyrie is basically a goddess, mantis is an alien empath, moon knight has mystic powers, agent venom has venom and Attuma is basically a mystical fish, and yeah there's also stealthy spiderman
  • Blackjack555yyBlackjack555yy Member Posts: 56

    EdisonLaw said:

    Looks like you answered your own question

    Not quite. Cap is a highly skilled fighter, so why not skill?
    Skill champions are either non-powered humans that excel in fighting or powered beings with powers who are great fighters who didn't get their powers from science.

    Spider man stealth suit is the only one who has powers from science. But that's the class Marvel agreed for him to be in.
    That's meaningless tbh

    Winter soldier is a skilled fighter, whose most prominent feature are the serum or a literal metal arm (tech) same for misty, Falcon depends on tech as well, Thor is literally a god, Squirrel girl has super powers, valkyrie is basically a goddess, mantis is an alien empath, moon knight has mystic powers, agent venom has venom and Attuma is basically a mystical fish, and yeah there's also stealthy spiderman
    And blade is a vampire hybrid which sounds very mystic to me
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,869 ★★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    Looks like you answered your own question

    Not quite. Cap is a highly skilled fighter, so why not skill?
    Skill champions are either non-powered humans that excel in fighting or powered beings with powers who are great fighters who didn't get their powers from science.

    Spider man stealth suit is the only one who has powers from science. But that's the class Marvel agreed for him to be in.
    That's meaningless tbh

    Winter soldier is a skilled fighter, whose most prominent feature are the serum or a literal metal arm (tech) same for misty, Falcon depends on tech as well, Thor is literally a god, Squirrel girl has super powers, valkyrie is basically a goddess, mantis is an alien empath, moon knight has mystic powers, agent venom has venom and Attuma is basically a mystical fish, and yeah there's also stealthy spiderman

    EdisonLaw said:

    Looks like you answered your own question

    Not quite. Cap is a highly skilled fighter, so why not skill?
    Skill champions are either non-powered humans that excel in fighting or powered beings with powers who are great fighters who didn't get their powers from science.

    Spider man stealth suit is the only one who has powers from science. But that's the class Marvel agreed for him to be in.
    That's meaningless tbh

    Winter soldier is a skilled fighter, whose most prominent feature are the serum or a literal metal arm (tech) same for misty, Falcon depends on tech as well, Thor is literally a god, Squirrel girl has super powers, valkyrie is basically a goddess, mantis is an alien empath, moon knight has mystic powers, agent venom has venom and Attuma is basically a mystical fish, and yeah there's also stealthy spiderman
    And blade is a vampire hybrid which sounds very mystic to me
    Bucky in the comics isn’t a super soldier. Yes he does have a metal arm, but it’s the assassin training and combat skill that makes him who he is.

    Falcon does use tech, but it is integrated into his moves. His basic moves are punching and kicking and guns, which fits into skill.

    Thor is a God but he does come from Asgard, a realm of aliens so it makes sense

    Squirrel girl and Stealthy are debatable. Stealthy does rely on debuffs for his utility and damage (like a science champ), but most of his damage does come from big yellow numbers which is common with Skill champs. Could fit in both. Same with Squirrel girl

    MCOC Valkyrie is the MCU Version who isn’t a goddess, but rather an extremely skilled Asgardian warrior.

    Mantis in the comics is a human who gained alien powers, but mainly focuses on hand to hand combat

    Moon Knight does technically have powers, but he mainly focuses on his training.

    Agent Venom does have Venom, but Flash is in control for the most part. His moves also involve guns

    Attuma wasn’t born a mutant unlike Namor, so he’s just a regular Atlantean

    Blade is a human vampire hybrid, but he uses weapons and is a master fighter and hunter



  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,129 ★★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    About carácter with multi type karnak needs both skill and Cosmic catalizators to level up

    Honestly looking back, I do think this is a great option to solve issues like this in the game

    Examples:
    Dr Doom: Mystic and Science

    Ant Man, Wasp, Cassie, Yellowjackee Ghost: Tech and Science

    Green Goblin: Tech and Science

    Captain America: Skill and Science

    Dragon Man: Mystic and Tech

    Quake: Cosmic and Science

    Korg, Thor Rags, Valkyrie: Skill and cosmic

    Magik and Scarlet Witch: Mystic and Mutant

    Phoenix: Cosmic and Mutant
    Actually Dragon Man would be Mystical and science,he is not a robot like the game says,he is a living statue of Clay that Diablo brought to life with his potions, the metal and Robot Tag are Just Kabam doing a bad lore research
    Marvel's own website disproves anything you just said- https://www.marvel.com/characters/dragon-man



    On top of that, Marvel has to sign off on any character designs. So even if Kabam did "bad lore research", it would have been corrected by Marvel before the champion was designed. Even the class and tags are finalized by Marvel.
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