Cassie damage reduction (taunt + inequity)

So with the damage reduction from taunt being fixed this week, I thought I’d baseline where it currently is. However I’m not entirely sure how that should interact with inequity, inequity being highlighted in her fix as a recommended mastery. So I turned inequity on 3/3 for this test which from the description should ‘passively reduce enemy attack by 6% for each debuff up to max 36%’ (logically I assume the max would be at 6 debuffs and above).

So to the trusty punching bag RoL Winter Soldier - except this time he is punching me. For this I’m only looking at non-critical hits.

With no debuffs on him he hits Cassie for:
Medium: 550
Light: 353

With 1 taunt. This should be reducing for the broken amount of 90% from Cassie’s ability and an extra 6% from inequity. Seems to only be the 90% from taunt.
Medium: 55
Light: 36

With 1 taunt and 9 power stings. Inequity should now be giving the max 36%. Still only see the 90% reduction.
Medium: 55
Light: 36

Now without taunt. 1 power sting should and does give 6% reduction.
Medium: 517
Light: 332

5 power stings. In theory gives 30% reduction and does in practice also.
Medium: 385
Light: 247

So inequity seems to work as expected when no taunt. But with taunt it does nothing. I assume this is because the cap is at 36% which is already met by the taunt. Alternatively this is unintended and a side effect of the 90% reduction bug. Will be interesting to see if this changes with Kabam saying the new taunt reduction of 50% should be able to be boosted with inequity.

I will test this when when the update is out.

Bonus: when you add Winter Soldier’s fury you still see the same % reductions, so both the taunt and inequity are working off modified attack.

Screenshots in spoilers.

Comments

Pikolu

Weakness in the game is capped at 90%, that's why you're not seeing any change.

ThePredator1001

Thanks for the info, nice to see it’s working as intended. If you test after the update also equip the antman relic. It’s applies a lower profile proficiency taunt (mines at 6% for the 5 relic). So combined with inequity and her taunt it should be able to push her damage reduction to the cap of 90% even after the bug fix.

Chris_118

Ok, so post update testing.

Baseline (no debuffs):
Medium: 550
Light: 353

1 taunt:
Medium: 259
Light: 166

This is 47% of the baseline. Interestingly this means that after the taunt reduces attack by 50% the inequity only reduces by 3%. So the reduction is multiplicative instead of additive.

1 taunt + 1 poison (2 debuffs for inequity):
Medium: 242
Light: 156

44% of the baseline. We see the same play out here with the extra debuff only reducing the attack by another 3%. So the inequity with multiple debuffs is additive within the inequity reduction. I.e.

Modified Attack = total attack * 0.5 * (1 - 0.06 - 0.06)

1 taunt + 14 other debuffs:
Medium: 176
Light: 113

32% of baseline. And hence the total reduction possible is 50% taunt + 18% from inequity.

Without the taunt and with enough other debuffs inequity still reduces attack by 36%.

Chris_118

Thanks for the info, nice to see it’s working as intended. If you test after the update also equip the antman relic. It’s applies a lower profile proficiency taunt (mines at 6% for the 5 relic). So combined with inequity and her taunt it should be able to push her damage reduction to the cap of 90% even after the bug fix.

I guess I need to do another test! My guess is it’s also multiplicative though, which would mean after a 68% reduction from taunt + inequity, the relic taunt would probably only make it a total of 70%. Still this game is based on fine margins, so still useful.

ThePredator1001

I tested this as well and even with inequity 3/3, her taunt, and the antman relic I got the same 68% damage cap. This is far off from the 86% we are supposed to be able to reach with the inequity mastery. Can someone from Kabam confirm if this is a bug or intended?

ThePredator1001

I’m doing some testing with other taunt champs and it looks like all of them have a similar interaction between taunt and inequity. I’m going to test more but it seems like Cassie Lange damage reduction is significantly reduced…

ThePredator1001

I made a post since it was too long to comment on here, but I’ve confirmed that taunt reduces the potency of inequity and it’s based on how strong the taunt is. The stronger the taunt potency, the less damage reduction you’ll get with inequity.

Fryday

I made a post since it was too long to comment on here, but I’ve confirmed that taunt reduces the potency of inequity and it’s based on how strong the taunt is. The stronger the taunt potency, the less damage reduction you’ll get with inequity.

Could you provide the link to your other post. I'm very interested in reading it. Many thanks

ThePredator1001

I made a post since it was too long to comment on here, but I’ve confirmed that taunt reduces the potency of inequity and it’s based on how strong the taunt is. The stronger the taunt potency, the less damage reduction you’ll get with inequity.
Could you provide the link to your other post. I'm very interested in reading it. Many thanks

Sure here it is,

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/345870/taunt-and-inequity-bugged-interaction#latest

JHRanch

Ant man relic takes her back to 90% cap if you have inequity 3/3 with taunt and 6+ power stings

Pikolu

Ant man relic takes her back to 90% cap if you have inequity 3/3 with taunt and 6+ power stings

That's actually not true. Inequity treats the taunted attack value as the new 100% attack value, so you're reducing their attack by 36% of the 50% remaining, so you're only getting an 18% total reduction in attack from inequity. Cassie can't hit the 90% damage reduction cap anymore.

JHRanch

Ant man relic takes her back to 90% cap if you have inequity 3/3 with taunt and 6+ power stings
That's actually not true. Inequity treats the taunted attack value as the new 100% attack value, so you're reducing their attack by 36% of the 50% remaining, so you're only getting an 18% total reduction in attack from inequity. Cassie can't hit the 90% damage reduction cap anymore.

Oh Shoot...my fault.

ThePredator1001

Ant man relic takes her back to 90% cap if you have inequity 3/3 with taunt and 6+ power stings
That's actually not true. Inequity treats the taunted attack value as the new 100% attack value, so you're reducing their attack by 36% of the 50% remaining, so you're only getting an 18% total reduction in attack from inequity. Cassie can't hit the 90% damage reduction cap anymore.

Yeah I was initially disappointed that you can’t reach the 90% damage reduction anymore but after using her, it usually doesn’t matter as she still feels very tanky and it’s probably better from a balance stand point. She’s still the best science champ in my opinion and my personal favorite.