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Should I feel guilty? And BG tactics for the unskilled

Stryker639Stryker639 Member Posts: 3
Tl;dr I rage quit because I was getting stomped in BG, now I am doing the stomping and feel a little guilty. Also a discussion on lower level (sub-Plat) BG tactics.

I don’t usually play BG, but wanted to get a head start on the primordial dust objectives. Got stuck for a full week when I had to win just 5 Victory Track matches. I was only in Silver III and have a decent roster, but kept getting matched with huge accounts whose worse champion was nearly 20k. I got DESTROYED. Barely won a round let alone a match. I also lost some even matchups from bad play, and have some suspicions about cheating. But it got so bad I rage quit the entire game.

Came back last week and was in Silver II. Since then, I’ve almost cleared the last of the side objectives, and won literally 10 matches in a row (not-so-humble brag). I made some tactical changes that helped a lot, though many of these wins are because I’m now the bigger account doing the stomping. There is only so much you can do with an unascended 5 star defending against my 6r4 Nimrod. That’s an extreme example, but many people I play now have barely any 6r4, while I have a noticeable portion at that level. I’ve read many of the chains about how you can only go as high as your roster will take you in BG. Am I only winning now because the cream (which I decidedly am not) has risen, and I’m the biggest of those who remain in Gold? I think I’ll enjoy winning while it lasts, but the switch from getting squashed to now throwing my weight around is jarring, and I feel bad whenever I win primarily because my opponent was outmatched roster-wise.

The tactical changes I made were (a) turned off recoil masteries, and (b) starting banning HT and AA automatically (per a helpful Reddit discussion). Previously I was banning defenders I hated facing, but banning HT has let me use my mystic-heavy roster much more effectively, and I hated the AA cheese fests. Are there any other “hacks” or tips that you discovered that changed your BG experience?

Comments

  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,263 ★★★★★
    Stomp them harder.
  • WOLF_LINKWOLF_LINK Member Posts: 1,376 ★★★★
    Many people ban Human Torch, but I ban most of your Mystics so I don’t even need him or can do those fights with Scorpion/iAbom/Overseer almost as good.
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,850 ★★★★★
    Shivacrux said:

    Ban Ronan,unskilled people cheeses stuff with ronan

    Thank God I'm out of VT having to waste a ban on ronan everytime genuinely hurts lol
  • spidyjedi84spidyjedi84 Member Posts: 374 ★★★



    The tactical changes I made were (a) turned off recoil masteries, and (b) starting banning HT and AA automatically (per a helpful Reddit discussion). Previously I was banning defenders I hated facing, but banning HT has let me use my mystic-heavy roster much more effectively, and I hated the AA cheese fests. Are there any other “hacks” or tips that you discovered that changed your BG experience?

    I've debated turning recoil masteries off. AA and HT can be dealt with/used to your advantage if you have them in your deck. I tend always to block Thing and Fury (awakened) on sight.

  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 8,561 ★★★★★
    Terra said:

    I laugh every time people use Torch against my Wong, or use Dimensional Beings against my Blade.
    I've caught many CGR users with the last one 🤭

    Why human torch don't work against wong?
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 8,561 ★★★★★
    I always ban champs that I find tough on defense (like rintrah nd attuma)... Also always try to draft 3 defenders + 4 attackers combo.
  • WOLF_LINKWOLF_LINK Member Posts: 1,376 ★★★★

    Terra said:

    I laugh every time people use Torch against my Wong, or use Dimensional Beings against my Blade.
    I've caught many CGR users with the last one 🤭

    Why human torch don't work against wong?
    He works but you‘ll take some damage.

    I often ban Nimrod/Galan/other Attackers/Void/(Terrax)/more annoying Mythics. I don’t care about most of their Defenders, I take away the Attackers they‘re used to and they will panic.
  • Crossy76Crossy76 Member Posts: 81
    banning op attacker champs that you don't have helps and sometimes banning op defender which you don't have counter is the play, so it depends on what you have and what opponent have. and ban those champs you are not comfortable fighting.
    always check all their 30 champs and don't forget what you have in your deck then decide what you gonna ban
    that's what i do so thought it might help you as well
  • Demonic_embraceDemonic_embrace Member Posts: 179 ★★
    Terra said:

    I laugh every time people use Torch against my Wong, or use Dimensional Beings against my Blade.
    I've caught many CGR users with the last one 🤭

    Why is torch a bad matchup against wong pls.
  • Demonic_embraceDemonic_embrace Member Posts: 179 ★★
    WOLF_LINK said:

    Terra said:

    I laugh every time people use Torch against my Wong, or use Dimensional Beings against my Blade.
    I've caught many CGR users with the last one 🤭

    Why human torch don't work against wong?
    He works but you‘ll take some damage.

    I often ban Nimrod/Galan/other Attackers/Void/(Terrax)/more annoying Mythics. I don’t care about most of their Defenders, I take away the Attackers they‘re used to and they will panic.
    What is the interaction with that exactly. Why will human torch take damage against wong.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 8,561 ★★★★★
    WOLF_LINK said:

    Terra said:

    I laugh every time people use Torch against my Wong, or use Dimensional Beings against my Blade.
    I've caught many CGR users with the last one 🤭

    Why human torch don't work against wong?
    He works but you‘ll take some damage.

    I often ban Nimrod/Galan/other Attackers/Void/(Terrax)/more annoying Mythics. I don’t care about most of their Defenders, I take away the Attackers they‘re used to and they will panic.
    You won't take the damage if you knock him out at 90 charges, but before he enters 100 charges
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 8,561 ★★★★★

    WOLF_LINK said:

    Terra said:

    I laugh every time people use Torch against my Wong, or use Dimensional Beings against my Blade.
    I've caught many CGR users with the last one 🤭

    Why human torch don't work against wong?
    He works but you‘ll take some damage.

    I often ban Nimrod/Galan/other Attackers/Void/(Terrax)/more annoying Mythics. I don’t care about most of their Defenders, I take away the Attackers they‘re used to and they will panic.
    What is the interaction with that exactly. Why will human torch take damage against wong.
    That interaction is Wong's ability.... He steadily build up a charge that when reaches 100 points, it will reset and the opponent takes a lot of damage... But once the charges reaches 90 and if you knock wong before the charge reaches 100, the charges reset and you won't take any damage... Also this is his ability and works against all champs (not just torch).
    I think OP is talkin bout this ability, I'm not sure tho maybe wong has some other abilities to punish energy damage
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 8,561 ★★★★★
    I have two approaches
    If the enemy deck is stronger than mine, ban the ones I hate to fight
    If the enemy deck us weaker than mine, ban their best picks (offense - defense and meta nodes)
    And ban them to cripple them more
  • GlassbackGlassback Member Posts: 600 ★★★
    I’ve just got to plat3 but had more losses than wins.
    I’m one of those panicky players who never thinks to bad their attackers, just the defenders I find annoying. Makes sense to take out their good attackers, specifically torch and AA. Might try this approach now
  • Vance2_jrVance2_jr Member Posts: 745 ★★★
    Shivacrux said:

    Ban Ronan,unskilled people cheeses stuff with ronan

    Is using Ronan really any different than using AA, Hulking, Torch, CGR, etc? None of those require much skill and they end fights insanely fast. Just a different flavor of cheese.
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,850 ★★★★★
    Vance2_jr said:

    Shivacrux said:

    Ban Ronan,unskilled people cheeses stuff with ronan

    Is using Ronan really any different than using AA, Hulking, Torch, CGR, etc? None of those require much skill and they end fights insanely fast. Just a different flavor of cheese.
    I dont see big accounts adding in 5 star AA or HT to their deck, yet they do so for ronan lol. "Different flavor of cheese" is putting it extremely lightly lmao
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,447 ★★★★★

    WOLF_LINK said:

    Terra said:

    I laugh every time people use Torch against my Wong, or use Dimensional Beings against my Blade.
    I've caught many CGR users with the last one 🤭

    Why human torch don't work against wong?
    He works but you‘ll take some damage.

    I often ban Nimrod/Galan/other Attackers/Void/(Terrax)/more annoying Mythics. I don’t care about most of their Defenders, I take away the Attackers they‘re used to and they will panic.
    What is the interaction with that exactly. Why will human torch take damage against wong.
    That interaction is Wong's ability.... He steadily build up a charge that when reaches 100 points, it will reset and the opponent takes a lot of damage... But once the charges reaches 90 and if you knock wong before the charge reaches 100, the charges reset and you won't take any damage... Also this is his ability and works against all champs (not just torch).
    I think OP is talkin bout this ability, I'm not sure tho maybe wong has some other abilities to punish energy damage
    That's not the problem when you use Torch against Wong. The problem is Absorption of Watoomb, he regenerates 25% of the energy damage that was dealt to him and gains four Eldritch energy. I've never tried Wong with Torch personally but I assume it wouldn't be a quick fight.
  • DUHveedDUHveed Member Posts: 357 ★★★
    Zuro said:

    Vance2_jr said:

    Shivacrux said:

    Ban Ronan,unskilled people cheeses stuff with ronan

    Is using Ronan really any different than using AA, Hulking, Torch, CGR, etc? None of those require much skill and they end fights insanely fast. Just a different flavor of cheese.
    I dont see big accounts adding in 5 star AA or HT to their deck, yet they do so for ronan lol. "Different flavor of cheese" is putting it extremely lightly lmao
    5* AA and torch are like a mile cheddar, where Ronan is more like a more flavorful Gouda or bleu
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