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Bring on your Nightcrawlers

DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,362 ★★★★★

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    Real_Madrid_76_2Real_Madrid_76_2 Posts: 3,402 ★★★★★
    Briefcase Man!
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    TerraTerra Posts: 8,097 ★★★★★

    Briefcase Man!

    He will follow you through walls if you throw him.
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    captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Posts: 5,163 ★★★★★
    Nightcrawler in alternate universe.
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,362 ★★★★★
    L_217 said:

    Except...who's gonna tell him?

    Wut?
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    HeattblasttHeattblastt Posts: 254 ★★
    L_217 said:

    Except...who's gonna tell him?

    Plzz no one shed the light. Let him have some fun till he realizes.
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    AshacekarAshacekar Posts: 1,839 ★★★★
    Ashacekar said:

    So i went through his new abilities, bleed immune and evade reducing tech champs counter him. (Ref: https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/champion-spotlight-nightcrawler/)

    And yes, Silver Centurian is perfect counter for him. He inflicts slow on heavy and is bleed immune.

    Any other suggestions?

    Found this...
    Ghost, Mysterio, Starky, IMIW are some other options
    https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzQlpAVL_eoLEJPRfJKkB7dkbwmbp7FaO?si=ucHOFI0Ur2WW9nf1
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,362 ★★★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    L_217 said:

    Except...who's gonna tell him?

    What? New NC can’t have evade ability accuracy reduced by non-tech champions. SC applies slow on heavy attacks, which is not a common utility among tech champs. Slow reduces evade ability accuracy by 100%. Am I missing something from that analysis?
    Also applies a 28 second slow on sp3.
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    captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Posts: 5,163 ★★★★★
    Ashacekar said:

    Ashacekar said:

    So i went through his new abilities, bleed immune and evade reducing tech champs counter him. (Ref: https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/champion-spotlight-nightcrawler/)

    And yes, Silver Centurian is perfect counter for him. He inflicts slow on heavy and is bleed immune.

    Any other suggestions?

    Found this...
    Ghost, Mysterio, Starky, IMIW are some other options
    https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzQlpAVL_eoLEJPRfJKkB7dkbwmbp7FaO?si=ucHOFI0Ur2WW9nf1
    Well you see, his evade aar is not reduced by non tech champs, Still they can tackle him in other ways.
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    Wicket329Wicket329 Posts: 3,163 ★★★★★

    Ashacekar said:

    Ashacekar said:

    So i went through his new abilities, bleed immune and evade reducing tech champs counter him. (Ref: https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/champion-spotlight-nightcrawler/)

    And yes, Silver Centurian is perfect counter for him. He inflicts slow on heavy and is bleed immune.

    Any other suggestions?

    Found this...
    Ghost, Mysterio, Starky, IMIW are some other options
    https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzQlpAVL_eoLEJPRfJKkB7dkbwmbp7FaO?si=ucHOFI0Ur2WW9nf1
    Alas, Mysterio's Poison only stops Spiderverse champions from Evading.

    The way I read the Spotlight, there should still be plenty of non-Tech counters.

    From the wording of Nightcrawlers new Sig, it states that Nightcrawlers chance of Evading can't be reduced. So this ability works against Slow, Decelerate, Disorient, Falcon's Lock-on, etc. But if you Prevent or Ignore evasion, you should be just fine.

    So True Strike, True Accuracy, and Coldsnap should work. (Proxima, Odin, Iceman, Emma Frost, Professor X, Killmonger, Karnak, Attuma, Misty Knight, Elsa, Kate, Kraven, Mole Man, Night Thrasher, Squirrel Girl). Also, Hit Monkey, Jabari Panther, and Nick with five charges.
    Yup, same kind of deal as Bullseye’s evade, but with a tech carve out to it.
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    captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Posts: 5,163 ★★★★★

    Ashacekar said:

    Ashacekar said:

    So i went through his new abilities, bleed immune and evade reducing tech champs counter him. (Ref: https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/champion-spotlight-nightcrawler/)

    And yes, Silver Centurian is perfect counter for him. He inflicts slow on heavy and is bleed immune.

    Any other suggestions?

    Found this...
    Ghost, Mysterio, Starky, IMIW are some other options
    https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzQlpAVL_eoLEJPRfJKkB7dkbwmbp7FaO?si=ucHOFI0Ur2WW9nf1
    Alas, Mysterio's Poison only stops Spiderverse champions from Evading.

    The way I read the Spotlight, there should still be plenty of non-Tech counters.

    From the wording of Nightcrawlers new Sig, it states that Nightcrawlers chance of Evading can't be reduced. So this ability works against Slow, Decelerate, Disorient, Falcon's Lock-on, etc. But if you Prevent or Ignore evasion, you should be just fine.

    So True Strike, True Accuracy, and Coldsnap should work. (Proxima, Odin, Iceman, Emma Frost, Professor X, Killmonger, Karnak, Attuma, Misty Knight, Elsa, Kate, Kraven, Mole Man, Night Thrasher, Squirrel Girl). Also, Hit Monkey, Jabari Panther, and Nick with five charges.
    Prof X may not work, his evade lock mechanism only trigger against non psychic opponents, I afrad they are going to make Nightcrawler psychic shielding champ.
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    Shock29Shock29 Posts: 549 ★★★

    Ashacekar said:

    Ashacekar said:

    So i went through his new abilities, bleed immune and evade reducing tech champs counter him. (Ref: https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/champion-spotlight-nightcrawler/)

    And yes, Silver Centurian is perfect counter for him. He inflicts slow on heavy and is bleed immune.

    Any other suggestions?

    Found this...
    Ghost, Mysterio, Starky, IMIW are some other options
    https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzQlpAVL_eoLEJPRfJKkB7dkbwmbp7FaO?si=ucHOFI0Ur2WW9nf1
    Alas, Mysterio's Poison only stops Spiderverse champions from Evading.

    The way I read the Spotlight, there should still be plenty of non-Tech counters.

    From the wording of Nightcrawlers new Sig, it states that Nightcrawlers chance of Evading can't be reduced. So this ability works against Slow, Decelerate, Disorient, Falcon's Lock-on, etc. But if you Prevent or Ignore evasion, you should be just fine.

    So True Strike, True Accuracy, and Coldsnap should work. (Proxima, Odin, Iceman, Emma Frost, Professor X, Killmonger, Karnak, Attuma, Misty Knight, Elsa, Kate, Kraven, Mole Man, Night Thrasher, Squirrel Girl). Also, Hit Monkey, Jabari Panther, and Nick with five charges.
    Actually, Mysterio could work as an option, but only in certain modes because it's dependent on a synergy that Silver Surfer has with him.
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    Wicket329Wicket329 Posts: 3,163 ★★★★★

    Ashacekar said:

    Ashacekar said:

    So i went through his new abilities, bleed immune and evade reducing tech champs counter him. (Ref: https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/champion-spotlight-nightcrawler/)

    And yes, Silver Centurian is perfect counter for him. He inflicts slow on heavy and is bleed immune.

    Any other suggestions?

    Found this...
    Ghost, Mysterio, Starky, IMIW are some other options
    https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzQlpAVL_eoLEJPRfJKkB7dkbwmbp7FaO?si=ucHOFI0Ur2WW9nf1
    Alas, Mysterio's Poison only stops Spiderverse champions from Evading.

    The way I read the Spotlight, there should still be plenty of non-Tech counters.

    From the wording of Nightcrawlers new Sig, it states that Nightcrawlers chance of Evading can't be reduced. So this ability works against Slow, Decelerate, Disorient, Falcon's Lock-on, etc. But if you Prevent or Ignore evasion, you should be just fine.

    So True Strike, True Accuracy, and Coldsnap should work. (Proxima, Odin, Iceman, Emma Frost, Professor X, Killmonger, Karnak, Attuma, Misty Knight, Elsa, Kate, Kraven, Mole Man, Night Thrasher, Squirrel Girl). Also, Hit Monkey, Jabari Panther, and Nick with five charges.
    Prof X may not work, his evade lock mechanism only trigger against non psychic opponents, I afrad they are going to make Nightcrawler psychic shielding champ.
    … why? What about the information we currently have makes you think that Nightcrawler is getting a psychic shielding tag added to him?
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    captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Posts: 5,163 ★★★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    Ashacekar said:

    Ashacekar said:

    So i went through his new abilities, bleed immune and evade reducing tech champs counter him. (Ref: https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/champion-spotlight-nightcrawler/)

    And yes, Silver Centurian is perfect counter for him. He inflicts slow on heavy and is bleed immune.

    Any other suggestions?

    Found this...
    Ghost, Mysterio, Starky, IMIW are some other options
    https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzQlpAVL_eoLEJPRfJKkB7dkbwmbp7FaO?si=ucHOFI0Ur2WW9nf1
    Alas, Mysterio's Poison only stops Spiderverse champions from Evading.

    The way I read the Spotlight, there should still be plenty of non-Tech counters.

    From the wording of Nightcrawlers new Sig, it states that Nightcrawlers chance of Evading can't be reduced. So this ability works against Slow, Decelerate, Disorient, Falcon's Lock-on, etc. But if you Prevent or Ignore evasion, you should be just fine.

    So True Strike, True Accuracy, and Coldsnap should work. (Proxima, Odin, Iceman, Emma Frost, Professor X, Killmonger, Karnak, Attuma, Misty Knight, Elsa, Kate, Kraven, Mole Man, Night Thrasher, Squirrel Girl). Also, Hit Monkey, Jabari Panther, and Nick with five charges.
    Prof X may not work, his evade lock mechanism only trigger against non psychic opponents, I afrad they are going to make Nightcrawler psychic shielding champ.
    … why? What about the information we currently have makes you think that Nightcrawler is getting a psychic shielding tag added to him?
    Nvm, I just misread his ability to have extra chance to evade "physical attacks" as psychic attacks, dumb me 😅
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    obsidimanobsidiman Posts: 803 ★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    L_217 said:

    Except...who's gonna tell him?

    What? New NC can’t have evade ability accuracy reduced by non-tech champions. SC applies slow on heavy attacks, which is not a common utility among tech champs. Slow reduces evade ability accuracy by 100%. Am I missing something from that analysis?
    Darn if only Silver Centurion was a tech champ and was the subject of Demon's post...

    Oh well... it's still an r5.
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    CyborgNinja135CyborgNinja135 Posts: 1,117 ★★★★

    Wicket329 said:

    Ashacekar said:

    Ashacekar said:

    So i went through his new abilities, bleed immune and evade reducing tech champs counter him. (Ref: https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/champion-spotlight-nightcrawler/)

    And yes, Silver Centurian is perfect counter for him. He inflicts slow on heavy and is bleed immune.

    Any other suggestions?

    Found this...
    Ghost, Mysterio, Starky, IMIW are some other options
    https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzQlpAVL_eoLEJPRfJKkB7dkbwmbp7FaO?si=ucHOFI0Ur2WW9nf1
    Alas, Mysterio's Poison only stops Spiderverse champions from Evading.

    The way I read the Spotlight, there should still be plenty of non-Tech counters.

    From the wording of Nightcrawlers new Sig, it states that Nightcrawlers chance of Evading can't be reduced. So this ability works against Slow, Decelerate, Disorient, Falcon's Lock-on, etc. But if you Prevent or Ignore evasion, you should be just fine.

    So True Strike, True Accuracy, and Coldsnap should work. (Proxima, Odin, Iceman, Emma Frost, Professor X, Killmonger, Karnak, Attuma, Misty Knight, Elsa, Kate, Kraven, Mole Man, Night Thrasher, Squirrel Girl). Also, Hit Monkey, Jabari Panther, and Nick with five charges.
    Prof X may not work, his evade lock mechanism only trigger against non psychic opponents, I afrad they are going to make Nightcrawler psychic shielding champ.
    … why? What about the information we currently have makes you think that Nightcrawler is getting a psychic shielding tag added to him?
    Nvm, I just misread his ability to have extra chance to evade "physical attacks" as psychic attacks, dumb me 😅
    It still wouldn't matter cause Prof X's ability is to bypass evade. There is no AAR involved
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    SkyfawSkyfaw Posts: 189 ★★
    Looking forward to seeing all your screenshot of him timing out in BGs
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    winterthurwinterthur Posts: 7,947 ★★★★★
    Ashacekar said:

    So i went through his new abilities, bleed immune and evade reducing tech champs counter him. (Ref: https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/champion-spotlight-nightcrawler/)

    Is it still better to leave NC unawakened?
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    CyborgNinja135CyborgNinja135 Posts: 1,117 ★★★★

    Ashacekar said:

    So i went through his new abilities, bleed immune and evade reducing tech champs counter him. (Ref: https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/champion-spotlight-nightcrawler/)

    Is it still better to leave NC unawakened?
    No the timer for switching modes is now constant: dash back and hold block for 2 seconds. The sig ability now makes him better on defense
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    MagrailothosMagrailothos Posts: 5,515 ★★★★★

    Ashacekar said:

    So i went through his new abilities, bleed immune and evade reducing tech champs counter him. (Ref: https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/champion-spotlight-nightcrawler/)

    Is it still better to leave NC unawakened?
    No - they've removed the part where it's easier to switch him Awakened.

    And his bleed damage scales up with his Sig, so being Awakened will be important for that.
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    PT_99PT_99 Posts: 2,934 ★★★★★
    edited February 27
    Elsa coldsnap stopping his evade will still work or not?
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    MagrailothosMagrailothos Posts: 5,515 ★★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    Elsa coldsnap stopping his evade will still work or not?

    Should work fine, although of course he's got to Evade at least one time before she'll switch to Coldsnap debuffs.
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    phillgreenphillgreen Posts: 3,799 ★★★★★
    So apoc can still shut down the evade? AA will still work with 3 neuros?
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    NEXTONNEXTON Posts: 588 ★★★
    Bullseye food
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    MagrailothosMagrailothos Posts: 5,515 ★★★★★

    So apoc can still shut down the evade? AA will still work with 3 neuros?

    Based on the description, Apocalypse should work, since he gains the ability to bypass Evade, rather than reducing Nightcrawlers chances.

    Archangel probably shouldn't work, since he reduces ability accuracy.
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