Crossbones vs Mantis

Who would you rate as the faster/more versatile BGs attacker, and who do you think benefits from the r3 more for strictly attack?

Comments

ItsClobberinTime

I just don't understand what I'm missing about mantis. I just tested her (7r1) in eq against Valkyrie. Got all the way to 20 mixed emotions, charged a heavy for 4s, hit the first 2 hits of the heavy, canceled into sp2...and did 100k damage. It wasn't a one-shot -- not even close. Maybe half a health bar. But i think i did everything right.

Then i tried to repeat it on Odin, and got light intercepted right away while he had infuriate, and lost almost my entire health bar.

Shang Chi seems a lot easier than this. Just MLLLM->MLM->H, repeat once, SP2, win.

This is a r3 doing 133k:

You're 100% doing something wrong there, either you didn't get to 10 furies or there's a node screwing up her damage.

As for the getting light intercepted part, that's probably because you're not timing your own intercepts properly. You have to give the AI time to recover from your attack and dash in otherwise yes, that happens.

jdschw

Hmm. Thanks for the pictures @ItsClobberinTime . I did get to 10 furies...but I didn't catch the actual yellow numbers. The 100k damage number that I saw was the "single largest hit" stat at the end of the fight.

I notice that, in your pictures, the 133k is divided into two hits. So if my second hit was 100k, then my first hit would have been about 65k damage or so.

It was still nowhere near enough to 1-shot an EQ fight. But maybe the health pools in the final chapter of the TB EQ is larger than BGs.

ItsClobberinTime

Hmm. Thanks for the pictures @ItsClobberinTime . I did get to 10 furies...but I didn't catch the actual yellow numbers. The 100k damage number that I saw was the "single largest hit" stat at the end of the fight.

I notice that, in your pictures, the 133k is divided into two hits. So if my second hit was 100k, then my first hit would have been about 65k damage or so.

It was still nowhere near enough to 1-shot an EQ fight. But maybe the health pools in the final chapter of the TB EQ is larger than BGs.

Probably closer to 80k due to stat focus, if you're using the increased special attack one which is the best one.

Yeah TB EQ healthpools are over 300k so closer to a r3 7* healthpool, you'd need your Mantis at r2 to be able to take healthpools that big in one sp2 and even then you might be a little bit short if you don't use the relic trick I talked about above.

Chief_Wiggum

I think some people need to understand its not who's a better champ. They both functions / does damage in very different ways and there is a Venn diagram where they overlap of fights they can take. They control debuffs with different methods that may benefit or hinder in certain situations.
For instance CB vs mystics mostly or powersnack sucks but amazing in rich gets richer. Won't take him vs onslaught or bishop while Mantis can take both.
Mantis needs to stick her debuffs and need to avoid knockdown protection nodes. She can't take Thing while CB thrives on that match.

They are both tools in the toolbox.. Mantis will benefit more as her single special damage style needs the cap raised by ranks or you have to reramp. CB can maintain his ramp or ramp a bit more if needed if a rank below.

Polygon

I think some people need to understand its not who's a better champ. They both functions / does damage in very different ways and there is a Venn diagram where they overlap of fights they can take. They control debuffs with different methods that may benefit or hinder in certain situations.
For instance CB vs mystics mostly or powersnack sucks but amazing in rich gets richer. Won't take him vs onslaught or bishop while Mantis can take both.
Mantis needs to stick her debuffs and need to avoid knockdown protection nodes. She can't take Thing while CB thrives on that match.

They are both tools in the toolbox.. Mantis will benefit more as her single special damage style needs the cap raised by ranks or you have to reramp. CB can maintain his ramp or ramp a bit more if needed if a rank below.

Crossbones can take bishop too i think, i agree with the last part that Mantis *needs* the r3 more since it means restarting the ramp. But is her AI manipulation even reliable? The last couple posts have chimed in on bad AI as a downside against her despite her having infuriate/intimidate. I wouldnt be surprised since Titanias intimidate is also funky

ItsClobberinTime

I think some people need to understand its not who's a better champ. They both functions / does damage in very different ways and there is a Venn diagram where they overlap of fights they can take. They control debuffs with different methods that may benefit or hinder in certain situations.
For instance CB vs mystics mostly or powersnack sucks but amazing in rich gets richer. Won't take him vs onslaught or bishop while Mantis can take both.
Mantis needs to stick her debuffs and need to avoid knockdown protection nodes. She can't take Thing while CB thrives on that match.

They are both tools in the toolbox.. Mantis will benefit more as her single special damage style needs the cap raised by ranks or you have to reramp. CB can maintain his ramp or ramp a bit more if needed if a rank below.
Crossbones can take bishop too i think, i agree with the last part that Mantis *needs* the r3 more since it means restarting the ramp. But is her AI manipulation even reliable? The last couple posts have chimed in on bad AI as a downside against her despite her having infuriate/intimidate. I wouldnt be surprised since Titanias intimidate is also funky

As someone who uses Mantis Adam Titania and Gladiator all the time, I can guarantee you people are simply not getting the timing right for the intercepts. Her AI manipulation is the most reliable in the entire game.

Chief_Wiggum

I think some people need to understand its not who's a better champ. They both functions / does damage in very different ways and there is a Venn diagram where they overlap of fights they can take. They control debuffs with different methods that may benefit or hinder in certain situations.
For instance CB vs mystics mostly or powersnack sucks but amazing in rich gets richer. Won't take him vs onslaught or bishop while Mantis can take both.
Mantis needs to stick her debuffs and need to avoid knockdown protection nodes. She can't take Thing while CB thrives on that match.

They are both tools in the toolbox.. Mantis will benefit more as her single special damage style needs the cap raised by ranks or you have to reramp. CB can maintain his ramp or ramp a bit more if needed if a rank below.
Crossbones can take bishop too i think, i agree with the last part that Mantis *needs* the r3 more since it means restarting the ramp. But is her AI manipulation even reliable? The last couple posts have chimed in on bad AI as a downside against her despite her having infuriate/intimidate. I wouldnt be surprised since Titanias intimidate is also funky

Reliable enough.. you don't use the infuriate like Herc.. repeated light intercepts will be guarentee to get hit in the face. i alternate 3 to 4 hit combos after applying infuriate. As opponent crosses over a bar of power, finish combo to apply intimidate. Dash back and they should dash back and hold block. do two 4 hit combos into block dashing back each time in case they attack. occasionally they do.. just have to view it as increase/decrease of chances rather than guarenteed actions. After reaching 20 charges bait SP1 and then get enough power to heavy charge into sp2.