Who is the best heal reversal champion?

EdisonLaw

And why?

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Newman0067

It's so easy to keep 100% uptime with Sandman, added points if you run despair too

EdisonLaw

Personally I think it’s Sandman but I think the Leader is gonna be close second

MarvelNoob

I just had to go void for Nostalgia. Old is gold🤷‍♂️

NONYABIZZ

Silk

jdschw

I can't beieve Warlock isn't on this list? His ability skirts nearly all the nodes and abilities designed to stop/prevent heal reversal.

Ultragamer

I can't beieve Warlock isn't on this list? His ability skirts nearly all the nodes and abilities designed to stop/prevent heal reversal.

His ability doesn’t heal reverse just blocks

EdisonLaw

I can't beieve Warlock isn't on this list? His ability skirts nearly all the nodes and abilities designed to stop/prevent heal reversal.

His infection stops healing but doesn’t reverse like Petrify or Spectre does.

ItsClobberinTime

Does everyone who voted Sandman and Void not realize that Leader applies all the spectre with light attacks and doesn't have to wait for any timers or sp1s? He looks meh otherwise but his heal reversal will be the best in the game hands down, easily accessible and he can amplify it even further with sp1 if the 10 spectres alone aren't melting fast enough.

EdisonLaw

Does everyone who voted Sandman and Void not realize that Leader applies all the spectre with light attacks and doesn't have to wait for any timers or sp1s? He looks meh otherwise but his heal reversal will be the best in the game hands down, easily accessible and he can amplify it even further with sp1 if the 10 spectres alone aren't melting fast enough.

That's why I think he may be a good attacker even if his basic damage is meh since you will be reversing the opponent's willpower or salve regen (almost everyone runs those masteries).

ItsClobberinTime

Does everyone who voted Sandman and Void not realize that Leader applies all the spectre with light attacks and doesn't have to wait for any timers or sp1s? He looks meh otherwise but his heal reversal will be the best in the game hands down, easily accessible and he can amplify it even further with sp1 if the 10 spectres alone aren't melting fast enough.
That's why I think he may be a good attacker even if his basic damage is meh since you will be reversing the opponent's willpower or salve regen (almost everyone runs those masteries).

Ehhh I wouldn't be so sure, if WP doesn't scale with modified health you're looking at 1.2k damage per second, considering r6 6* and r3 7* healthpools are around 250k-300k I don't see that being enough to make him a crazy champ. He'll be closer to Negasonic speed if anything which isn't surprising since that seems to be the trend this year in terms of damage at this point.
He will however be the best for actual heal reversal out of all of these, he can start reversing healing faster than any of them and he can keep it up by simply using light attacks.

BeastDad

Silk

Emilia90

Does everyone who voted Sandman and Void not realize that Leader applies all the spectre with light attacks and doesn't have to wait for any timers or sp1s? He looks meh otherwise but his heal reversal will be the best in the game hands down, easily accessible and he can amplify it even further with sp1 if the 10 spectres alone aren't melting fast enough.

Saw Nicks vid and I’m honestly shocked how low the champion damage this year can go. How long are they gonna undertune everything because it’s not funny anymore. The biggest damage dealer we have this year is probably WT

EdisonLaw

Does everyone who voted Sandman and Void not realize that Leader applies all the spectre with light attacks and doesn't have to wait for any timers or sp1s? He looks meh otherwise but his heal reversal will be the best in the game hands down, easily accessible and he can amplify it even further with sp1 if the 10 spectres alone aren't melting fast enough.
Saw Nicks vid and I’m honestly shocked how low the champion damage this year can go. How long are they gonna undertune everything because it’s not funny anymore. The biggest damage dealer we have this year is probably WT

Prowler as well. Serpent can reach large numbers in long fights. Patriot's damage looks pretty good

EdisonLaw

NAGASE just dropped a video on the Leader and he thinks he's the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8KAr3VWgco&ab_channel=-NAGASE-

ItsClobberinTime

NAGASE just dropped a video on the Leader and he thinks he's the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8KAr3VWgco&ab_channel=-NAGASE-

Nagase thinks HtD is underrated, I don't really watch the guy anymore he tends to overhype champs for absolutely no reason, especially this year's new releases.

ItsClobberinTime

Does everyone who voted Sandman and Void not realize that Leader applies all the spectre with light attacks and doesn't have to wait for any timers or sp1s? He looks meh otherwise but his heal reversal will be the best in the game hands down, easily accessible and he can amplify it even further with sp1 if the 10 spectres alone aren't melting fast enough.
Saw Nicks vid and I’m honestly shocked how low the champion damage this year can go. How long are they gonna undertune everything because it’s not funny anymore. The biggest damage dealer we have this year is probably WT

Yeah looks mid at best, I watched MSD's video and he does have a good point about WP reversal but I doubt that'll be enough to make him fast enough and meta relevant. I don't know what's up with the champs this year but it's crazy that I'd still rather rank up two year old champs over any of the garbage and mid stuff we've received this year so far, so boring.

EdisonLaw

Does everyone who voted Sandman and Void not realize that Leader applies all the spectre with light attacks and doesn't have to wait for any timers or sp1s? He looks meh otherwise but his heal reversal will be the best in the game hands down, easily accessible and he can amplify it even further with sp1 if the 10 spectres alone aren't melting fast enough.
Saw Nicks vid and I’m honestly shocked how low the champion damage this year can go. How long are they gonna undertune everything because it’s not funny anymore. The biggest damage dealer we have this year is probably WT
Yeah looks mid at best, I watched MSD's video and he does have a good point about WP reversal but I doubt that'll be enough to make him fast enough and meta relevant. I don't know what's up with the champs this year but it's crazy that I'd still rather rank up two year old champs over any of the garbage and mid stuff we've received this year so far, so boring.

Seriously agree, and if Beta Ray Bill and/or Shathra aren't good champions, we are gonna have a problem and I'll start to lose faith.

About the leader, I think he's gonna have uses, especially for regen and power control. I might need to do more testing (once I get him from the arena), and I'll do a review on him

EdisonLaw

So we have Void as the winner so far with 52% of all the votes. Is he really better than Sandman and Leader for heal reversal?

phillgreen

The original wolverine slayer. One of a handful that allowed a ROL clear back in the day.

Not the best any more but a proper nostalgia pick as the first.

ThatGuyYouSaw235

NAGASE just dropped a video on the Leader and he thinks he's the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8KAr3VWgco&ab_channel=-NAGASE-
Nagase thinks HtD is underrated, I don't really watch the guy anymore he tends to overhype champs for absolutely no reason, especially this year's new releases.

It's less of him "overhyping" a champ and more of him not having a black or white outlook on a champ and being able to see what they can do well rather than him going "NOODLE HANDS WEAK CHAMP NO ONE SHOULD USE HIM" if you ask me.

Eakomo

In terms of who has the best heal reversal for the value you can get, void still at the top of that list.
while for fastest isn't silk faster than leader since all she has to do is get her slow and she has a much better heal reversal than leader immediately

ItsClobberinTime

NAGASE just dropped a video on the Leader and he thinks he's the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8KAr3VWgco&ab_channel=-NAGASE-
Nagase thinks HtD is underrated, I don't really watch the guy anymore he tends to overhype champs for absolutely no reason, especially this year's new releases.
It's less of him "overhyping" a champ and more of him not having a black or white outlook on a champ and being able to see what they can do well rather than him going "NOODLE HANDS WEAK CHAMP NO ONE SHOULD USE HIM" if you ask me.

If he is calling The Leader, a champ who at r3 7* barely lands 6k crits (absolutely pathetic that damage is worse than Sable's), a "very very good champ" then he is absolutely overhyping a champ that does indeed hit like a noodle unless there's a ton of regen and your reply is a clear example of this. Do you just watch his videos and repeat whatever he says or actually analyze the fights he's showcasing before making up your mind?
Lmao this is like showcasing a bunch of matchups with a ton of armor with Galan and saying "yep, that's a top 3 cosmic!"

Nightheart

Leader is new so we have to see how good his heal reversal is Sandman is second to Void for me at least

ThatGuyYouSaw235

NAGASE just dropped a video on the Leader and he thinks he's the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8KAr3VWgco&ab_channel=-NAGASE-
Nagase thinks HtD is underrated, I don't really watch the guy anymore he tends to overhype champs for absolutely no reason, especially this year's new releases.
It's less of him "overhyping" a champ and more of him not having a black or white outlook on a champ and being able to see what they can do well rather than him going "NOODLE HANDS WEAK CHAMP NO ONE SHOULD USE HIM" if you ask me.
If he is calling The Leader, a champ who at r3 7* barely lands 6k crits (absolutely pathetic that damage is worse than Sable's), a "very very good champ" then he is absolutely overhyping a champ that does indeed hit like a noodle unless there's a ton of regen and your reply is a clear example of this. Do you just watch his videos and repeat whatever he says or actually analyze the fights he's showcasing before making up your mind?
Lmao this is like showcasing a bunch of matchups with a ton of armor with Galan and saying "yep, that's a top 3 cosmic!"

You're overlooking many details. Putting Leader and Sable on the same level solely because of their basic attack damage is disingenuous to what these champs are designed to do. I own Sable as a 7* and quite frankly she excels at literally nothing, she is by all means a worse BWDO.

Now, note how Nagase calls the Leader a "very strong utility character" at around 3:59 seconds, by no means is he saying that he's a very strong damage champion, he is instead putting him on par with renowned utility champions such as Warlock and S2099 (who were well received initially because of reasoning such as yours, but later became accepted as great additions to their classes).

With the Leader, he has insanely strong Power Gain and Regeneration reversal which can be applied to MANY matchups and Inequity built in to boot. If you've watched the video, it takes like 20-25 seconds for The Leader to reach the 10 debuff limit and completely shut down Regen and Power Gain. On attack, you can completely reverse Willpower on the opponent. Hell, they didn't turn off Inequity or Despair on The Leader, which means you can be even more tanky and hand out more Heal Reversal.

Like it or not, The Leader currently has a stranglehold over two mechanics that help define the Science class as a whole. I'd be willing to bet that he'll be a cool champ to use in AW and BGs because of his control and defense potential.

I'd anticipate him being a great champion to use against The Serpent, Destroyer, Absorbing Man, Sasquatch, Werewolf, Kindred (not 100% sure), Gorr, Hulkling, Rintrah (also not 100%), Sauron, Toad, Wong... plus the occasional Regen/Power Gain node here and there.

Time will tell so I could be wrong, it just helps to look at everything the champion can do before making a staunch judgement.

Magrailothos

I went with Reed, because 'best' may not be the same as 'most accessible'.

Mister Fantastic isn't a speedy champion; and doesn't have the fastest/most accessible Heal Reversal; but in a long fight, his ability to turn healing and power gain against the opponent is extraordinarily sustainable.

I would say 'particularly if the player runs Despair', but anyone playing with Mister Fantastic (or Sandman) who doesn't use Despair is clearly just not paying attention...

Small shout-out to Yellowjacket, who definitely isn't the best at Heal Reversal - Yellowjacket isn't 'the best' at anything - but at the same time, he's definitely underrated as a Regeneration controller; since his nuclear core ability can dramatically reduce Regeneration passively, without relying on any debuffs at all. With his Petrify up (and it lasts a good fifteen seconds), opponents with a strong regeneration ability really start to melt.

Yuvraj_267

I play very few heal reversal champions and out of these i think torch is best.

Asher1_1

And why?

Question: where is the heal node 😂

ItsClobberinTime

NAGASE just dropped a video on the Leader and he thinks he's the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8KAr3VWgco&ab_channel=-NAGASE-
Nagase thinks HtD is underrated, I don't really watch the guy anymore he tends to overhype champs for absolutely no reason, especially this year's new releases.
It's less of him "overhyping" a champ and more of him not having a black or white outlook on a champ and being able to see what they can do well rather than him going "NOODLE HANDS WEAK CHAMP NO ONE SHOULD USE HIM" if you ask me.
If he is calling The Leader, a champ who at r3 7* barely lands 6k crits (absolutely pathetic that damage is worse than Sable's), a "very very good champ" then he is absolutely overhyping a champ that does indeed hit like a noodle unless there's a ton of regen and your reply is a clear example of this. Do you just watch his videos and repeat whatever he says or actually analyze the fights he's showcasing before making up your mind?
Lmao this is like showcasing a bunch of matchups with a ton of armor with Galan and saying "yep, that's a top 3 cosmic!"
You're overlooking many details. Putting Leader and Sable on the same level solely because of their basic attack damage is disingenuous to what these champs are designed to do. I own Sable as a 7* and quite frankly she excels at literally nothing, she is by all means a worse BWDO.

Now, note how Nagase calls the Leader a "very strong utility character" at around 3:59 seconds, by no means is he saying that he's a very strong damage champion, he is instead putting him on par with renowned utility champions such as Warlock and S2099 (who were well received initially because of reasoning such as yours, but later became accepted as great additions to their classes).

With the Leader, he has insanely strong Power Gain and Regeneration reversal which can be applied to MANY matchups and Inequity built in to boot. If you've watched the video, it takes like 20-25 seconds for The Leader to reach the 10 debuff limit and completely shut down Regen and Power Gain. On attack, you can completely reverse Willpower on the opponent. Hell, they didn't turn off Inequity or Despair on The Leader, which means you can be even more tanky and hand out more Heal Reversal.

Like it or not, The Leader currently has a stranglehold over two mechanics that help define the Science class as a whole. I'd be willing to bet that he'll be a cool champ to use in AW and BGs because of his control and defense potential.

I'd anticipate him being a great champion to use against The Serpent, Destroyer, Absorbing Man, Sasquatch, Werewolf, Kindred (not 100% sure), Gorr, Hulkling, Rintrah (also not 100%), Sauron, Toad, Wong... plus the occasional Regen/Power Gain node here and there.

Time will tell so I could be wrong, it just helps to look at everything the champion can do before making a staunch judgement.

S2099 and Warlock both have damage that doesn't depend on the opponent's regen or power gain, sure S2099 is a lot better when there's a lot of power gain but he doesn't need the defenders to have power gain to have crazy damage. Leader is an absolute noodle if there isn't regen or power gain for him to do something and this forces him to go for sp3 but unlike Titania the fight isn't over 5 seconds after he throws it, not a huge difference but definitely a noticeable and detrimental one in BGs

I watched the video, I'm not arguing the utility part I'm arguing the noodle part because he is a noodle unless certain conditions are met. How many BGs metas have we had with a ton of power gain and regen since BGs were released? Not even 5 and season 20 is about to start tomorrow.

As for the WP reversal comment, I already did the Math and the max damage you will be getting is between 1k-1.5k a second because WP doesn't scale with modified health. Healthpools are currently between 250k-300k if you think 1k-1.5k damage a second is going to allow him to compete with the damage of any of the current meta relevant science champs in BGs you're crazy, and that is the main complaint here from me. None of the champs released this year are meta relevant cause they're full of utility but damage is just not quite there. We don't need more champs like that, I haven't even popped any featured crystals since I got Serpent cause nothing in those crystals will actually do anything for my account as an endgame player who usually places all the way up in Arcane l at this point.

I'm not denying the fun aspect, he looks fun, what bothers me is that Kabam seems to be unable to release one fun champ that's actually strong enough to be meta relevant. Sable and Arcade both looked very interesting and fun yet their damage is garbage. Leader might not be that bad but he's nowhere near "very very good" (which Nagase mentions right off the bat) and most likely won't make it to 90% of the decks cause the damage just isn't there.

I've looked at everything he can do, I watched DLL's video as well, (he said Serpent is probably a no btw so you can scratch that one off) and I did my own Math to account for the WP reversal and I'm not impressed just like most CCs.

Lastly before I get the usual "BGs isn't the only game mode" comments, that is correct it's not the only game mode. However, for people who have already 100% all game content or are pretty close to 100% what else is there? BGs is the only reason I'm not burned out yet and I'm sure it's the same for a lot of endgame players.

xNig

Void. Once it's on, it's on. Doesn't take too much brains to play him too.

BuggyDClown

Simple and easy
Sometimes may need extra time than others but reliable and have best heal reverse value

Honarable mention HT