Sentry Buff “a joke”

DarthVadid

You advertise Sentry as an option for Necropolis Carinas Challenge. who is the inept tester that floated that idea. His ramp up is way too long for necropolis. Who ever did this buff and thought it was good is not a competent person. It seems like this whole 10 year role out was hyped to the max and it just feels MEH. the buffs the Banquet the Necropolis. It’s all lame. For 10 years of supporting you Kabam I was hoping for a radical thank you! A monumental gift of thanks. But this is just more of the same.

Emilia90

Sentry’s buff was eh mostly built for incursions but calling the buffs as a whole lame is disingenuous, he’s the only meh one for me out of the 6 which is a solid streak. I don’t think he’s useless but definitely the one I want the least

Cloudddey_bro

Emilia90 said:

Sentry’s buff was eh mostly built for incursions but calling the buffs as a whole lame is disingenuous, he’s the only meh one for me out of the 6 which is a solid streak. I don’t think he’s useless but definitely the one I want the least

Built for incursions just makes me chuckle. Ah yes, built for the game mode with a 6 star awakening gem as the max reward, how useful. 😂

Terra

Compared to what he was before, no.
His buff was solid.

Emilia90

Cloudddey_bro said:

Emilia90 said:

Sentry’s buff was eh mostly built for incursions but calling the buffs as a whole lame is disingenuous, he’s the only meh one for me out of the 6 which is a solid streak. I don’t think he’s useless but definitely the one I want the least

Built for incursions just makes me chuckle. Ah yes, built for the game mode with a 6 star awakening gem as the max reward, how useful. 😂

I didn’t say that was good, I said that was what he was built for. He’s not getting much use for me other than special saga stuff

Squidopus

I hit max warps in 3 fights with a 6*, which has a significantly shorter death timer than the 7*. It’s not super speedy, but I wouldn’t call that prohibitively slow or anything when you’re getting good damage once you hit 3+ warps. I don’t think the ramp up time is the problem with Sentry if there is one.

Bendy

Tbh i actually want him for necro as hes actually interesting of a champ for long form

kus234

Just ignore him!!! Simple!!

PT_99

Reading his abilities, it appears he gets ramped up by winning the fights? When was the last time you win Necro fights before ramping up? And all his damage comes from spamming heavy attacks awkwardly because you need 3 ramp charges to stun from combo? Worst part is he has 2 heavy hits and that only ruins the flow instead of 1 single straight heavy spams.

I was excited to pull him but now he looks like a joke champion made only for incursions.




Tf, you also lose 1 charge if you lose, who said he's good Necro champ? Bro is made only for MSD and even he dies in Necro (sometimes)

captain_rogers

PT_99 said:

Reading his abilities, it appears he gets ramped up by winning the fights? When was the last time you win Necro fights before ramping up? And all his damage comes from spamming heavy attacks awkwardly because you need 3 ramp charges to stun from combo? Worst part is he has 2 heavy hits and that only ruins the flow instead of 1 single straight heavy spams.

I was excited to pull him but now he looks like a joke champion made only for incursions.




Tf, you also lose 1 charge if you lose, who said he's good Necro champ? Bro is made only for MSD and even he dies in Necro (sometimes)

He also get one reality warp if you throw around 60 hits doing specific actions which I don't remember.

My complaint is I was planning to use him for necro wiccan but it looks like he isn't immune to neutralize and thus won't be getting bulwarks I'll better just use ham.

PT_99

captain_rogers said:

PT_99 said:

Reading his abilities, it appears he gets ramped up by winning the fights? When was the last time you win Necro fights before ramping up? And all his damage comes from spamming heavy attacks awkwardly because you need 3 ramp charges to stun from combo? Worst part is he has 2 heavy hits and that only ruins the flow instead of 1 single straight heavy spams.

I was excited to pull him but now he looks like a joke champion made only for incursions.




Tf, you also lose 1 charge if you lose, who said he's good Necro champ? Bro is made only for MSD and even he dies in Necro (sometimes)

He also get one reality warp if you throw around 60 hits doing specific actions which I don't remember.

My complaint is I was planning to use him for necro wiccan but it looks like he isn't immune to neutralize and thus won't be getting bulwarks I'll better just use ham.

Yeah I was planning to make him help wong but guess he'll forever be now untouched r1, it's joke of rework that hardly anyone asked to be this way.

Imagine, a hero which only is good for incursions but lol wait, there's already a guy who beats incursions with closed eyes, the guy who just don't die

BeastDad

Zero chance I’ll be using him in necro.

Wicket329

Sentry has an advanced case of Air Walker Syndrome, which is itself a variant of Proxima Madness. These are champs who, when ramped, can do absolutely crazy things. But the requirements to ramp them up are so miserable that the juice just isn’t worth the squeeze. Air Walker and Sentry’s ramps are particularly egregious because they span multiple fights, but are at least persistent. I also hate that after going through the struggle of ramping a champ like this, you can *lose that ramp* if you lose a fight.

There is another champ who nearly fell into this design trap, but has a mechanic that saves him. And that, dear reader, is Hercules. Hercules has access to 100% of his ramp without much difficulty in every fight. His persistent ramp is just making it easier to reach his maximum output in each fight, but he can always reach it. Imagine if you were capped to 3 per fight like his persistent charges are? Imagine triggering his immortality stripped him of some of that slower ramp? He would be tremendously weaker as a result.

That is an approach I’d like to see Kabam take for future ramp up champions. A champ’s top strength should be accessible in a given fight, even if it doesn’t fully persist from one fight to the next. If I could go into a fight and, after jumping through like 90-120 seconds worth of hoops, have a fully or even mostly ramped Sentry (like I can do with Wong), I think he’d have a much clearer place in the game.

Nameless_IW

I pulled Sentry out of the gotcha box keys from the banquet milestones. guess what? he's still sitting level 1 rank 1. yeah thats how underwhelming the buff has turned out to be.

Priyabrata

Emilia90 said:

Sentry’s buff was eh mostly built for incursions but calling the buffs as a whole lame is disingenuous, he’s the only meh one for me out of the 6 which is a solid streak. I don’t think he’s useless but definitely the one I want the least

That was the stupidest sentence that kabam have put out in years, "buffed for incursions " you serious lmao?? I don't understand how they could say it out loud and not realise how actually dum that sounds ???

captain_rogers

Wicket329 said:

Sentry has an advanced case of Air Walker Syndrome, which is itself a variant of Proxima Madness. These are champs who, when ramped, can do absolutely crazy things. But the requirements to ramp them up are so miserable that the juice just isn’t worth the squeeze. Air Walker and Sentry’s ramps are particularly egregious because they span multiple fights, but are at least persistent. I also hate that after going through the struggle of ramping a champ like this, you can *lose that ramp* if you lose a fight.

There is another champ who nearly fell into this design trap, but has a mechanic that saves him. And that, dear reader, is Hercules. Hercules has access to 100% of his ramp without much difficulty in every fight. His persistent ramp is just making it easier to reach his maximum output in each fight, but he can always reach it. Imagine if you were capped to 3 per fight like his persistent charges are? Imagine triggering his immortality stripped him of some of that slower ramp? He would be tremendously weaker as a result.

That is an approach I’d like to see Kabam take for future ramp up champions. A champ’s top strength should be accessible in a given fight, even if it doesn’t fully persist from one fight to the next. If I could go into a fight and, after jumping through like 90-120 seconds worth of hoops, have a fully or even mostly ramped Sentry (like I can do with Wong), I think he’d have a much clearer place in the game.

Add Northstar to that list.

AegonTargarуen

He's 10 times stronger than before but sadly 0 x 10 = 0.

captain_rogers

Emilia90 said:

Sentry’s buff was eh mostly built for incursions but calling the buffs as a whole lame is disingenuous, he’s the only meh one for me out of the 6 which is a solid streak. I don’t think he’s useless but definitely the one I want the least

That's exactly why he's lame. He is advertised as a everest content champ but looks like no one's using him for everest content. He fell off like Northstar.

No one's mad that he's unusable in bgs, people are mad he's unusable by most at content he's designed to do.

Also you can't say kabam made a "champ for incursions" With a serious face lmao.

captain_rogers

Although I'll reserve my judgement until I personally try him

Herbal_Taxman

captain_rogers said:

PT_99 said:

Reading his abilities, it appears he gets ramped up by winning the fights? When was the last time you win Necro fights before ramping up? And all his damage comes from spamming heavy attacks awkwardly because you need 3 ramp charges to stun from combo? Worst part is he has 2 heavy hits and that only ruins the flow instead of 1 single straight heavy spams.

I was excited to pull him but now he looks like a joke champion made only for incursions.




Tf, you also lose 1 charge if you lose, who said he's good Necro champ? Bro is made only for MSD and even he dies in Necro (sometimes)

He also get one reality warp if you throw around 60 hits doing specific actions which I don't remember.

My complaint is I was planning to use him for necro wiccan but it looks like he isn't immune to neutralize and thus won't be getting bulwarks I'll better just use ham.

“Doing specific actions which I don’t remember” summarizes so much about 2024 champ design / reworks for me…

Ortoun

captain_rogers said:

Although I'll reserve my judgement until I personally try him

I messed around with my 6 star some after the buff, and it's honestly pretty fun once you have him somewhat ramped. His stun on using a heavy makes it a lot easier to progress through the heavy phase, but is odd in that it only works after the first medium. Damage is there too. While not my top choice from the box, wouldn't be sad if I did get him

Herbal_Taxman

Emilia90 said:

Sentry’s buff was eh mostly built for incursions but calling the buffs as a whole lame is disingenuous, he’s the only meh one for me out of the 6 which is a solid streak. I don’t think he’s useless but definitely the one I want the least

Which hack is he supposed to take advantage of? The non-damaging debuff one? (The hack that is also perfect for Photon and Silk… two champs who are so far beyond Sentry it’s hard to describe.) Not trying to excessively hate on poor Sentry but if he gets juiced from the same hacks that the best science champs already use…? I’m probably just going to use Silk or Photon.

captain_rogers

Herbal_Taxman said:

Emilia90 said:

Sentry’s buff was eh mostly built for incursions but calling the buffs as a whole lame is disingenuous, he’s the only meh one for me out of the 6 which is a solid streak. I don’t think he’s useless but definitely the one I want the least

Which hack is he supposed to take advantage of? The non-damaging debuff one? (The hack that is also perfect for Photon and Silk… two champs who are so far beyond Sentry it’s hard to describe.) Not trying to excessively hate on poor Sentry but if he gets juiced from the same hacks that the best science champs already use…? I’m probably just going to use Silk or Photon.

Buff corncupia definitely helps him.

Ortoun

Herbal_Taxman said:

Emilia90 said:

Sentry’s buff was eh mostly built for incursions but calling the buffs as a whole lame is disingenuous, he’s the only meh one for me out of the 6 which is a solid streak. I don’t think he’s useless but definitely the one I want the least

Which hack is he supposed to take advantage of? The non-damaging debuff one? (The hack that is also perfect for Photon and Silk… two champs who are so far beyond Sentry it’s hard to describe.) Not trying to excessively hate on poor Sentry but if he gets juiced from the same hacks that the best science champs already use…? I’m probably just going to use Silk or Photon.

Buff cornucopia should be good for him, also any of the get armor ups when doing whatever ones. He can convert all those extra buffs to fury passives so should hit pretty hard from those.

Herbal_Taxman

So the furies are passives and don’t count. So he will hit hard in one of his three phases when he’s procing all the bulwarks? Or does he get buffs in the other two phases also?

captain_rogers

Herbal_Taxman said:

So the furies are passives and don’t count. So he will hit hard in one of his three phases when he’s procing all the bulwarks? Or does he get buffs in the other two phases also?

He converts all buffs into furies if he launch aspecial

WednesdayLength

Herbal_Taxman said:

Emilia90 said:

Sentry’s buff was eh mostly built for incursions but calling the buffs as a whole lame is disingenuous, he’s the only meh one for me out of the 6 which is a solid streak. I don’t think he’s useless but definitely the one I want the least

Which hack is he supposed to take advantage of? The non-damaging debuff one? (The hack that is also perfect for Photon and Silk… two champs who are so far beyond Sentry it’s hard to describe.) Not trying to excessively hate on poor Sentry but if he gets juiced from the same hacks that the best science champs already use…? I’m probably just going to use Silk or Photon.

Any node that gives him extra buffs super charges his damage

WednesdayLength

Herbal_Taxman said:

So the furies are passives and don’t count. So he will hit hard in one of his three phases when he’s procing all the bulwarks? Or does he get buffs in the other two phases also?

He gains bulwark buffs whenever he inflicts a debuff

Ortoun

He gets the bulwarks in all the phases, just has to inflict a debuff.