Kicked out of Alliance 3 days before banquent ends

Dillan2006

I was kicked unfairly from the alliance BC333 (been in alliance near a month) just a few hours ago with zero warning . I was an active member who usually contributed around the top 15 for Summoner Advancement , particapted in AQ all the time, and contributed 7.7k banquet points which was around 20th in the alliance. 7.7k points although may not seem like a lot but for a newly turned thronebreaker (2 days ago) who didnt have any previous tickets cost somewhere between 3-4k units is a lot for my account as I'm a casual took a lot of grinding and my reward for that is zero alliance rewards which is crazy. Kabam could of fixed this by implementing a rule of where if you have the met there 14 day rule for particpation for Banquent you cannot be kicked until the event is over or you still get rank rewards based on the points your alliance had when you were kicked so at least I get something . In the future talking for all summoners how can you be 100 per cent sure after investing time and for many players money that you can get kicked last second and lose out on account changing rewards and reduce your banquent to nothing while your alliance steals all your points . How is this fair and how has mcoc community let this slide?? Things like this really make lose motivation to play MCOC (coming from a casual playing this game for a good 6 7 years ) and leave for good.

Thanks for reading.

Comments

Mixtapevol02

Sorry to hear that, but there’s no alliance banquet rank rewards for this year. So if you have claimed the last milestone of the alliance event (7,400) then you don’t need to worry about it. If they kicked you before you have claimed it, then send a ticket to support, they might be able to do something about it.

JLordVileJ

Send a ticket to support

JLordVileJ

Sorry to hear that, but there’s no alliance banquet rank rewards for this year. So if you have claimed the last milestone of the alliance event (7,400) then you don’t need to worry about it. If they kicked you before you have claimed it, then send a ticket to support, they might be able to do something about it.

Yes there are

Mixtapevol02

Sorry to hear that, but there’s no alliance banquet rank rewards for this year. So if you have claimed the last milestone of the alliance event (7,400) then you don’t need to worry about it. If they kicked you before you have claimed it, then send a ticket to support, they might be able to do something about it.
Yes there are

Ah sorry, my mistake, they’re no solo one since that’s moved to the realm. My bad

JLordVileJ

Sorry to hear that, but there’s no alliance banquet rank rewards for this year. So if you have claimed the last milestone of the alliance event (7,400) then you don’t need to worry about it. If they kicked you before you have claimed it, then send a ticket to support, they might be able to do something about it.
Yes there are
Ah sorry, my mistake, they’re no solo one since that’s moved to the realm. My bad

Someone calmly admitting their mistake on forums? Wake me up, this can't be real

Amanda_Cruze

Season AW is starting so that might be one of the reason.

Dillan2006

Send a ticket to support

I did and straight it away the status went to "solved" even though I got no proper response from Kabam , then tried it again same thing happened . probably low priority so they don't care most likely.

Dillan2006

Season AW is starting so that might be one of the reason.

yh maybe but still they should wait until banquet is over . there's legit no advantage of kicking me early as a new member cant even contribute to the event.

Savage123456789

Were you the only one kicked? Did your alliance have minimum participation requirements for banquet? Sucks you had to go through that at this stage of the event

Dillan2006

Were you the only one kicked? Did your alliance have minimum participation requirements for banquet? Sucks you had to go through that at this stage of the event

nah there ppl who didn't contribute anything and didn't get kicked I got was like 22nd in my alliance with 7.7k points which is a decent contribution. (yh only one kicked)

Tx_Quack_Attack6589

Season AW is starting so that might be one of the reason.

Season is still 8 days away

willrun4adonut

I'd suggest for next year finding an alliance more than a month before. While harsh, you don't know what you're getting in to. If you've been with them for more than a month, there's a bigger chance that you know them and they won't kick you, or if they do, they'll probably kick you right away so you still have plenty of time to find a new, better home.

FrostGiantLord

I'd suggest for next year finding an alliance more than a month before. While harsh, you don't know what you're getting in to. If you've been with them for more than a month, there's a bigger chance that you know them and they won't kick you, or if they do, they'll probably kick you right away so you still have plenty of time to find a new, better home.

Yeah, I definitely agree. I've stuck with the same alliance since the 2022 Banquet

DNA3000

How is this fair and how has mcoc community let this slide?? Things like this really make lose motivation to play MCOC (coming from a casual playing this game for a good 6 7 years ) and leave for good.

Thanks for reading.

Your situation is unfortunate, and I would open a support ticket and explain your situation. Support might be able to help, although I cannot guarantee this.

The reason why this sort of thing is "allowed to slide" is because it is necessary. Alliances are not Kabam institutions, they are player run organizations, and it is up to the players to decide how they are run, what the requirements are, what the rules are, and so on. Players must have the right to manage their alliances as they see fit, because that's their purpose for even existing. We want hard core players to be able to seek each other out and play together, we want casual players to be able to do likewise. We hope players will run their alliances fairly, but we can't be the arbiters of what's fair. What's fair in one alliance might be seen as draconian in another. But that's their prerogative to decide.

We can't start creating lockouts and such, because that takes away the one tool alliance leaders have to enforce their rules. A player can decide to flaunt the rules or even disrupt the alliance, and alliance leaders would have no way to address the situation. And don't say open tickets. Kabam support cannot be expected to arbitrate he said she said fights in every alliance in the game.

None of us knows why you got kicked. Maybe you did something and the alliance leader had just cause. Maybe the alliance leader wanted to make room for his girlfriend and you drew the short straw. Maybe he pushed the button by mistake. Maybe they just don't like you. We will never likely know for sure, and thus we aren't really in a position to judge the situation. And neither would Kabam be. So like I said, open a support ticket, explain your situation calmly and simply, and see if they are willing to address your situation with regard to missed alliance rewards.

And if you decide to blame the game for your experience with your alliance because the company won't step in to resolve an issue between players, well, that's your choice, but there's likely going to be a lot of other things in life that you'll be avoiding because someone else does something you don't like and you think it is the responsibility of others to fix the situation for you.

willrun4adonut

I'd suggest for next year finding an alliance more than a month before. While harsh, you don't know what you're getting in to. If you've been with them for more than a month, there's a bigger chance that you know them and they won't kick you, or if they do, they'll probably kick you right away so you still have plenty of time to find a new, better home.
Yeah, I definitely agree. I've stuck with the same alliance since the 2022 Banquet

Especially if you've been playing for 6-7 years, there should be an alliance that you e found that suits your needs. I'm always weary of the alliances that are created just for a banquet, or market themselves as a banquet alliance. I prefer consistency. My first alliance i was in for a month, second alliance was a German alliance that I had no idea what they were saying most of the time, but stayed with them for 2 years.

Dillan2006

How is this fair and how has mcoc community let this slide?? Things like this really make lose motivation to play MCOC (coming from a casual playing this game for a good 6 7 years ) and leave for good.

Thanks for reading.
The reason why this sort of thing is "allowed to slide" is because it is necessary. Alliances are not Kabam institutions, they are player run organizations, and it is up to the players to decide how they are run, what the requirements are, what the rules are, and so on. Players must have the right to manage their alliances as they see fit, because that's their purpose for even existing. We want hard core players to be able to seek each other out and play together, we want casual players to be able to do likewise. We hope players will run their alliances fairly, but we can't be the arbiters of what's fair. What's fair in one alliance might be seen as draconian in another. But that's their prerogative to decide.

I agree with most of what you are saying but Kabam has to also protect the player in this scenario and still give the alliance rewards for progress they have made before being kicked which I believe is a fair solution although hard to implement. This still gives the alliance full control on how it is run and doesn't screw over the person who has been kicked as they still get the rewards they are deserved while they were contributing. This current system where I contributed points to help my alliance reach milestones and gain rewards then after got kicked doesn't make much sense as I lose all my progress for no valid reason and only one party benefits which is asinine. Duality is key as there must be some basic standard as then too much power is given to alliance leaders for many are strangers for your enjoyment on the game for certain alliance events.

Dillan2006

I'd suggest for next year finding an alliance more than a month before. While harsh, you don't know what you're getting in to. If you've been with them for more than a month, there's a bigger chance that you know them and they won't kick you, or if they do, they'll probably kick you right away so you still have plenty of time to find a new, better home.
Yeah, I definitely agree. I've stuck with the same alliance since the 2022 Banquet
Especially if you've been playing for 6-7 years, there should be an alliance that you e found that suits your needs. I'm always weary of the alliances that are created just for a banquet, or market themselves as a banquet alliance. I prefer consistency. My first alliance i was in for a month, second alliance was a German alliance that I had no idea what they were saying most of the time, but stayed with them for 2 years.

Its hard tho when you cant commit to playing the game all time due factors like work or school so I usually return for big events like many other players so finding a long term alliance is very difficult.

JESUSCHRIST

I was kicked unfairly from the alliance BC333 (been in alliance near a month) just a few hours ago with zero warning . I was an active member who usually contributed around the top 15 for Summoner Advancement , particapted in AQ all the time, and contributed 7.7k banquet points which was around 20th in the alliance. 7.7k points although may not seem like a lot but for a newly turned thronebreaker (2 days ago) who didnt have any previous tickets cost somewhere between 3-4k units is a lot for my account as I'm a casual took a lot of grinding and my reward for that is zero alliance rewards which is crazy. Kabam could of fixed this by implementing a rule of where if you have the met there 14 day rule for particpation for Banquent you cannot be kicked until the event is over or you still get rank rewards based on the points your alliance had when you were kicked so at least I get something . In the future talking for all summoners how can you be 100 per cent sure after investing time and for many players money that you can get kicked last second and lose out on account changing rewards and reduce your banquent to nothing while your alliance steals all your points . How is this fair and how has mcoc community let this slide?? Things like this really make lose motivation to play MCOC (coming from a casual playing this game for a good 6 7 years ) and leave for good.

Thanks for reading.

I'm guessing the real reason you were kicked is bcos your alliance runs 1 bg for AQ/AW and you took up a precious slot in AQ, your account is the 29th weakest in your former alliance
You have 14 valiants in your former alliance and there's not enough slots in AQ
Your former alliance mates were probably pissed off that you couldn't contribute much points to AQ yet you were taking 1 slot from them
So 1 strong alliance member missed out on weekly glory
You couldn't join AW bcos defenders were already placed so you couldn't take up a slot
It's best to communicate with your alliance whether you are taking rewards from them without contributing sufficiently

DNA3000

How is this fair and how has mcoc community let this slide?? Things like this really make lose motivation to play MCOC (coming from a casual playing this game for a good 6 7 years ) and leave for good.

Thanks for reading.
The reason why this sort of thing is "allowed to slide" is because it is necessary. Alliances are not Kabam institutions, they are player run organizations, and it is up to the players to decide how they are run, what the requirements are, what the rules are, and so on. Players must have the right to manage their alliances as they see fit, because that's their purpose for even existing. We want hard core players to be able to seek each other out and play together, we want casual players to be able to do likewise. We hope players will run their alliances fairly, but we can't be the arbiters of what's fair. What's fair in one alliance might be seen as draconian in another. But that's their prerogative to decide.
I agree with most of what you are saying but Kabam has to also protect the player in this scenario and still give the alliance rewards for progress they have made before being kicked which I believe is a fair solution although hard to implement. This still gives the alliance full control on how it is run and doesn't screw over the person who has been kicked as they still get the rewards they are deserved while they were contributing. This current system where I contributed points to help my alliance reach milestones and gain rewards then after got kicked doesn't make much sense as I lose all my progress for no valid reason and only one party benefits which is asinine. Duality is key as there must be some basic standard as then too much power is given to alliance leaders for many are strangers for your enjoyment on the game for certain alliance events.

Imagine a player being abusive and disruptive in an alliance, and he tells the alliance leaders he doesn't care if he gets kicked because Kabam is still going to give him his rewards either way, so go climb a tree.

Imagine a player who is recruited to an alliance and is informed what the minimum expectations are, and then during an event they do just enough to qualify for all the rewards and then stops and gives the finger to the alliance and says kick me if you want, I already get everything ha ha ha.

Did you know if a player cheats in alliance war and the entire alliance gets docked points, causing everyone to lose rewards, alliance leaders are not even allowed to ask Kabam which player caused this to happen? Players are protected from having disciplinary actions taken against entire alliances from being disclosed.

When you say alliance leaders have too much power, they actually have almost zero power. The only power they have is the one thing you want to remove: the ability to remove them from the alliance and with that no longer share in any rewards that alliance will earn in the future. They have no other power beyond that, unless you consider moving defenders around on a map organizational power.

As I said, you can open a support ticket and ask for assistance, and Kabam support has at other times attempted to address the situation with missing rewards. However, this is done on a case by case basis, and changing the rules to prevent this situation from ever happening in the future tends to involve crippling alliance leaders in ways that would make actually running alliances even more problematic than it already is for many alliances.

Actually, speaking as an alliance leader myself, the problem is not the kick itself. The problem is if we changed things so that either you were locked from kicking or players were guaranteed rewards regardless of their behavior, my worry is that would encourage more alliance trolling, because all the downside to joining alliances and then making trouble would be eliminated.

BringPopcorn

Dude 22nd out of 30 and some where kicked...
I don't mean to be a complete ahole but the contribution was low...

Graves_3

I was kicked unfairly from the alliance BC333 (been in alliance near a month) just a few hours ago with zero warning . I was an active member who usually contributed around the top 15 for Summoner Advancement , particapted in AQ all the time, and contributed 7.7k banquet points which was around 20th in the alliance. 7.7k points although may not seem like a lot but for a newly turned thronebreaker (2 days ago) who didnt have any previous tickets cost somewhere between 3-4k units is a lot for my account as I'm a casual took a lot of grinding and my reward for that is zero alliance rewards which is crazy. Kabam could of fixed this by implementing a rule of where if you have the met there 14 day rule for particpation for Banquent you cannot be kicked until the event is over or you still get rank rewards based on the points your alliance had when you were kicked so at least I get something . In the future talking for all summoners how can you be 100 per cent sure after investing time and for many players money that you can get kicked last second and lose out on account changing rewards and reduce your banquent to nothing while your alliance steals all your points . How is this fair and how has mcoc community let this slide?? Things like this really make lose motivation to play MCOC (coming from a casual playing this game for a good 6 7 years ) and leave for good.

Thanks for reading.
I'm guessing the real reason you were kicked is bcos your alliance runs 1 bg for AQ/AW and you took up a precious slot in AQ, your account is the 29th weakest in your former alliance
You have 14 valiants in your former alliance and there's not enough slots in AQ
Your former alliance mates were probably pissed off that you couldn't contribute much points to AQ yet you were taking 1 slot from them
So 1 strong alliance member missed out on weekly glory
You couldn't join AW bcos defenders were already placed so you couldn't take up a slot
It's best to communicate with your alliance whether you are taking rewards from them without contributing sufficiently

You guessed all that from the OP’s post?

JESUSCHRIST

I was kicked unfairly from the alliance BC333 (been in alliance near a month) just a few hours ago with zero warning . I was an active member who usually contributed around the top 15 for Summoner Advancement , particapted in AQ all the time, and contributed 7.7k banquet points which was around 20th in the alliance. 7.7k points although may not seem like a lot but for a newly turned thronebreaker (2 days ago) who didnt have any previous tickets cost somewhere between 3-4k units is a lot for my account as I'm a casual took a lot of grinding and my reward for that is zero alliance rewards which is crazy. Kabam could of fixed this by implementing a rule of where if you have the met there 14 day rule for particpation for Banquent you cannot be kicked until the event is over or you still get rank rewards based on the points your alliance had when you were kicked so at least I get something . In the future talking for all summoners how can you be 100 per cent sure after investing time and for many players money that you can get kicked last second and lose out on account changing rewards and reduce your banquent to nothing while your alliance steals all your points . How is this fair and how has mcoc community let this slide?? Things like this really make lose motivation to play MCOC (coming from a casual playing this game for a good 6 7 years ) and leave for good.

Thanks for reading.
I'm guessing the real reason you were kicked is bcos your alliance runs 1 bg for AQ/AW and you took up a precious slot in AQ, your account is the 29th weakest in your former alliance
You have 14 valiants in your former alliance and there's not enough slots in AQ
Your former alliance mates were probably pissed off that you couldn't contribute much points to AQ yet you were taking 1 slot from them
So 1 strong alliance member missed out on weekly glory
You couldn't join AW bcos defenders were already placed so you couldn't take up a slot
It's best to communicate with your alliance whether you are taking rewards from them without contributing sufficiently
You guessed all that from the OP’s post?

I was curious so I went to the alliance page to find out more information
As an alliance leader since 2018, I know what these AL and officers are thinking in their minds when they kick members

JESUSCHRIST

Communication is key
Many players just refuse to communicate with their AL and officers and the easy way out is to kick those who ignore their AL and officers

Dillan2006

Communication is key
Many players just refuse to communicate with their AL and officers and the easy way out is to kick those who ignore their AL and officers

even though it was a strong alliance there no communication in our alliance chat it was barren so singling me out was very unfair.

Dillan2006

I was kicked unfairly from the alliance BC333 (been in alliance near a month) just a few hours ago with zero warning . I was an active member who usually contributed around the top 15 for Summoner Advancement , particapted in AQ all the time, and contributed 7.7k banquet points which was around 20th in the alliance. 7.7k points although may not seem like a lot but for a newly turned thronebreaker (2 days ago) who didnt have any previous tickets cost somewhere between 3-4k units is a lot for my account as I'm a casual took a lot of grinding and my reward for that is zero alliance rewards which is crazy. Kabam could of fixed this by implementing a rule of where if you have the met there 14 day rule for particpation for Banquent you cannot be kicked until the event is over or you still get rank rewards based on the points your alliance had when you were kicked so at least I get something . In the future talking for all summoners how can you be 100 per cent sure after investing time and for many players money that you can get kicked last second and lose out on account changing rewards and reduce your banquent to nothing while your alliance steals all your points . How is this fair and how has mcoc community let this slide?? Things like this really make lose motivation to play MCOC (coming from a casual playing this game for a good 6 7 years ) and leave for good.

Thanks for reading.
I'm guessing the real reason you were kicked is bcos your alliance runs 1 bg for AQ/AW and you took up a precious slot in AQ, your account is the 29th weakest in your former alliance
You have 14 valiants in your former alliance and there's not enough slots in AQ
Your former alliance mates were probably pissed off that you couldn't contribute much points to AQ yet you were taking 1 slot from them
So 1 strong alliance member missed out on weekly glory
You couldn't join AW bcos defenders were already placed so you couldn't take up a slot
It's best to communicate with your alliance whether you are taking rewards from them without contributing sufficiently
You guessed all that from the OP’s post?

yh it could be but no communication from them at all so I had no idea.

willrun4adonut

Communication is key
Many players just refuse to communicate with their AL and officers and the easy way out is to kick those who ignore their AL and officers
even though it was a strong alliance there no communication in our alliance chat it was barren so singling me out was very unfair.

Did you use line, and/or were you supposed to?

Dillan2006

Dude 22nd out of 30 and some where kicked...
I don't mean to be a complete ahole but the contribution was low...

yh but I was in the middle ish not the worst yet I was kicked bro.....

Dillan2006

How is this fair and how has mcoc community let this slide?? Things like this really make lose motivation to play MCOC (coming from a casual playing this game for a good 6 7 years ) and leave for good.

Thanks for reading.
The reason why this sort of thing is "allowed to slide" is because it is necessary. Alliances are not Kabam institutions, they are player run organizations, and it is up to the players to decide how they are run, what the requirements are, what the rules are, and so on. Players must have the right to manage their alliances as they see fit, because that's their purpose for even existing. We want hard core players to be able to seek each other out and play together, we want casual players to be able to do likewise. We hope players will run their alliances fairly, but we can't be the arbiters of what's fair. What's fair in one alliance might be seen as draconian in another. But that's their prerogative to decide.
I agree with most of what you are saying but Kabam has to also protect the player in this scenario and still give the alliance rewards for progress they have made before being kicked which I believe is a fair solution although hard to implement. This still gives the alliance full control on how it is run and doesn't screw over the person who has been kicked as they still get the rewards they are deserved while they were contributing. This current system where I contributed points to help my alliance reach milestones and gain rewards then after got kicked doesn't make much sense as I lose all my progress for no valid reason and only one party benefits which is asinine. Duality is key as there must be some basic standard as then too much power is given to alliance leaders for many are strangers for your enjoyment on the game for certain alliance events.
Imagine a player being abusive and disruptive in an alliance, and he tells the alliance leaders he doesn't care if he gets kicked because Kabam is still going to give him his rewards either way, so go climb a tree.

Imagine a player who is recruited to an alliance and is informed what the minimum expectations are, and then during an event they do just enough to qualify for all the rewards and then stops and gives the finger to the alliance and says kick me if you want, I already get everything ha ha ha.

Did you know if a player cheats in alliance war and the entire alliance gets docked points, causing everyone to lose rewards, alliance leaders are not even allowed to ask Kabam which player caused this to happen? Players are protected from having disciplinary actions taken against entire alliances from being disclosed.

When you say alliance leaders have too much power, they actually have almost zero power. The only power they have is the one thing you want to remove: the ability to remove them from the alliance and with that no longer share in any rewards that alliance will earn in the future. They have no other power beyond that, unless you consider moving defenders around on a map organizational power.

As I said, you can open a support ticket and ask for assistance, and Kabam support has at other times attempted to address the situation with missing rewards. However, this is done on a case by case basis, and changing the rules to prevent this situation from ever happening in the future tends to involve crippling alliance leaders in ways that would make actually running alliances even more problematic than it already is for many alliances.

Actually, speaking as an alliance leader myself, the problem is not the kick itself. The problem is if we changed things so that either you were locked from kicking or players were guaranteed rewards regardless of their behavior, my worry is that would encourage more alliance trolling, because all the downside to joining alliances and then making trouble would be eliminated.

All your points are great but you have to admit there has to be another solution, a different system as for years there has been many unhappy summoners with this ruling and wrecked there whole banquet. I raised this issue in the mcoc discord and pretty much the whole community felt the same and thought something has to change.

Dillan2006

Communication is key
Many players just refuse to communicate with their AL and officers and the easy way out is to kick those who ignore their AL and officers
even though it was a strong alliance there no communication in our alliance chat it was barren so singling me out was very unfair.
Did you use line, and/or were you supposed to?

I think ppl did not everyone I didn't rlly know what it was properly as I'm returning player never rlly heard of it icl

JESUSCHRIST

As an alliance leader, I'm proud to say I never kick anyone throughout banquet event this year
We hit all the alliance milestones on day 1 of banquet without me saying anything about banquet
In fact the lowest points contributed is 1,000 points by a new player
You need to find a good alliance