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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,625 ★★★★★

    PT_99 said:

    PT_99 said:

    PT_99 said:

    Why is Kushala guy giving tough competition to Scuffed Ironman guy in proving who the last challenge players must overcome before getting their hands on Kebem? 😶


    On a side note, it hocks me off when people negate their entire Livestream just because they didn't talk about Rewards, and they're announcing a couple things you need to pay for. There's work that goes into these things. They deserve more respect than that.


    They're getting paid for their work, they're getting money for their work, this Banquet was historic spending ever and that's great.
    Stop acting like their hard work is for nothing.


    I'm not the one acting like their hard work is for nothing. That was the point of what I said. Just because they get paid to do their job doesn't mean we can take a dookie on it.
    If company can get appreciated and big money for their good work,
    Then the said company will also get "dookie" for their bad work.
    No question. I just disagree that it's bad work because their Livestream didn't talk about what people wanted to hear. They talked about other things. That's about it.
    Yes, and people are allowed to be upset about the things they talked about. Watching the live stream even I was thinking “man it really doesn’t feel like the best move to announce all of these things that are going to cost money all at once, people aren’t going to like this”
    "all of these things".....

    They announced a Eidol Champ that most will have to spend if they want it, which isn't new. Exclusive Champs aren't new to the game. Some will get him for free, not everyone.
    A Double Track isn't new either. They've been going on for some time now.
    The DD tie-in mentions Bundles, which you can make up for in Units, which is about the only possible unique thing in terms of spending.
    That's not an onslaught of paid promotion.
    Eidol - Sale
    Double track (Cyclope) Sale
    DDHK- they did mention spending units Sale
    Jean - usual early access bundle Sale
    Bastion - usual early access bundle Sale
    New EQ "Test" - not a sale
    Gaunlet recycle - Not a sale
    Sigil renewed - Sale

    Anything I am forgetting about?
    Funny enough the only time I ever seen you complain was on the difficulty Deathless Chase, a thing not a lot of people really complained about in matter of difficulty..


    The Sigil, pre-sales, and Double Tracks are not news. Same things that are always offered.
    How is it not news? Did you know ahead of time that it was going to be Cyclops?
    Fine, so What exactly was news then? You will probably point out the 2 things I listed as Not Sale?
    You're moving the goal post with that comment. The pre-sales aren't news. They happen consistently now. This entire argument is senseless. They're a company. They're in the business of selling things.
  • Toyota_2015Toyota_2015 Member Posts: 987 ★★★★

    PT_99 said:

    PT_99 said:

    PT_99 said:

    Why is Kushala guy giving tough competition to Scuffed Ironman guy in proving who the last challenge players must overcome before getting their hands on Kebem? 😶


    On a side note, it hocks me off when people negate their entire Livestream just because they didn't talk about Rewards, and they're announcing a couple things you need to pay for. There's work that goes into these things. They deserve more respect than that.


    They're getting paid for their work, they're getting money for their work, this Banquet was historic spending ever and that's great.
    Stop acting like their hard work is for nothing.


    I'm not the one acting like their hard work is for nothing. That was the point of what I said. Just because they get paid to do their job doesn't mean we can take a dookie on it.
    If company can get appreciated and big money for their good work,
    Then the said company will also get "dookie" for their bad work.
    No question. I just disagree that it's bad work because their Livestream didn't talk about what people wanted to hear. They talked about other things. That's about it.
    Yes, and people are allowed to be upset about the things they talked about. Watching the live stream even I was thinking “man it really doesn’t feel like the best move to announce all of these things that are going to cost money all at once, people aren’t going to like this”
    "all of these things".....

    They announced a Eidol Champ that most will have to spend if they want it, which isn't new. Exclusive Champs aren't new to the game. Some will get him for free, not everyone.
    A Double Track isn't new either. They've been going on for some time now.
    The DD tie-in mentions Bundles, which you can make up for in Units, which is about the only possible unique thing in terms of spending.
    That's not an onslaught of paid promotion.
    I never said everything they announced was a brand-new strategy that they’ve never used before. I said that they announced a bunch of things that are going to require some level of payment (if we want them) all in one livestream. That’s a lot of upcoming micro-transactions to process all at once, it’s not surprising in the slightest that people aren’t happy with it.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,625 ★★★★★

    PT_99 said:

    PT_99 said:

    PT_99 said:

    Why is Kushala guy giving tough competition to Scuffed Ironman guy in proving who the last challenge players must overcome before getting their hands on Kebem? 😶


    On a side note, it hocks me off when people negate their entire Livestream just because they didn't talk about Rewards, and they're announcing a couple things you need to pay for. There's work that goes into these things. They deserve more respect than that.


    They're getting paid for their work, they're getting money for their work, this Banquet was historic spending ever and that's great.
    Stop acting like their hard work is for nothing.


    I'm not the one acting like their hard work is for nothing. That was the point of what I said. Just because they get paid to do their job doesn't mean we can take a dookie on it.
    If company can get appreciated and big money for their good work,
    Then the said company will also get "dookie" for their bad work.
    No question. I just disagree that it's bad work because their Livestream didn't talk about what people wanted to hear. They talked about other things. That's about it.
    Yes, and people are allowed to be upset about the things they talked about. Watching the live stream even I was thinking “man it really doesn’t feel like the best move to announce all of these things that are going to cost money all at once, people aren’t going to like this”
    "all of these things".....

    They announced a Eidol Champ that most will have to spend if they want it, which isn't new. Exclusive Champs aren't new to the game. Some will get him for free, not everyone.
    A Double Track isn't new either. They've been going on for some time now.
    The DD tie-in mentions Bundles, which you can make up for in Units, which is about the only possible unique thing in terms of spending.
    That's not an onslaught of paid promotion.
    I never said everything they announced was a brand-new strategy that they’ve never used before. I said that they announced a bunch of things that are going to require some level of payment (if we want them) all in one livestream. That’s a lot of upcoming micro-transactions to process all at once, it’s not surprising in the slightest that people aren’t happy with it.
    That's the problem right there. People are bothered by a company offering services for money. It shouldn't be new, and it shouldn't be offensive at this point. You can say it's the amount announced, or how they announced it, or the frequency, or any other aspect. It's still the same argument. "How dare they sell things when......"
    The company isn't going to stop selling things when there are issues not resolved. They're not going to stop selling things because people want a Rewards increase. They're certainly not going to stop selling things because F2P feel left out. It's a business. One that makes it possible for people to play for free BECAUSE they sell things. The sooner people accept that, the sooner they can stop causing themselves stress.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,625 ★★★★★

    PT_99 said:

    PT_99 said:

    PT_99 said:

    Why is Kushala guy giving tough competition to Scuffed Ironman guy in proving who the last challenge players must overcome before getting their hands on Kebem? 😶


    On a side note, it hocks me off when people negate their entire Livestream just because they didn't talk about Rewards, and they're announcing a couple things you need to pay for. There's work that goes into these things. They deserve more respect than that.


    They're getting paid for their work, they're getting money for their work, this Banquet was historic spending ever and that's great.
    Stop acting like their hard work is for nothing.


    I'm not the one acting like their hard work is for nothing. That was the point of what I said. Just because they get paid to do their job doesn't mean we can take a dookie on it.
    If company can get appreciated and big money for their good work,
    Then the said company will also get "dookie" for their bad work.
    No question. I just disagree that it's bad work because their Livestream didn't talk about what people wanted to hear. They talked about other things. That's about it.
    Yes, and people are allowed to be upset about the things they talked about. Watching the live stream even I was thinking “man it really doesn’t feel like the best move to announce all of these things that are going to cost money all at once, people aren’t going to like this”
    "all of these things".....

    They announced a Eidol Champ that most will have to spend if they want it, which isn't new. Exclusive Champs aren't new to the game. Some will get him for free, not everyone.
    A Double Track isn't new either. They've been going on for some time now.
    The DD tie-in mentions Bundles, which you can make up for in Units, which is about the only possible unique thing in terms of spending.
    That's not an onslaught of paid promotion.
    I never said everything they announced was a brand-new strategy that they’ve never used before. I said that they announced a bunch of things that are going to require some level of payment (if we want them) all in one livestream. That’s a lot of upcoming micro-transactions to process all at once, it’s not surprising in the slightest that people aren’t happy with it.
    That's the problem right there. People are bothered by a company offering services for money. It shouldn't be new, and it shouldn't be offensive at this point. You can say it's the amount announced, or how they announced it, or the frequency, or any other aspect. It's still the same argument. "How dare they sell things when......"
    The company isn't going to stop selling things when there are issues not resolved. They're not going to stop selling things because people want a Rewards increase. They're certainly not going to stop selling things because F2P feel left out. It's a business. One that makes it possible for people to play for free BECAUSE they sell things. The sooner people accept that, the sooner they can stop causing themselves stress.
    Oh so this is on the speculation that everyone participating on this thread is F2P, that's not even moving the goal post. That's taking it into a complete different field.
    I don't believe that's what I said at all, and I'm curious how you got that generalization from my statement.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,625 ★★★★★
    My mistake. I thought you were actually trying to have a conversation. Have fun creating red herrings.
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 2,281 ★★★★


    And mcoc is first in revenue contribution to Netmarble
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 2,281 ★★★★
    Netmarble is milking the mcoc cashcow to make up for all the losses in other games
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,625 ★★★★★
    Polygon said:

    I just scrolled through a bunch of pages and I must ask, are you doing this on purpose? @GroundedWisdom . Its like you have the rationalisation skills of a tadpole. After the livestream , it was clear to us all that the intentions of having the champion releases be predominantly all spending.

    Its fine to have occasional platinum tracks with champions like we had with Dazzler, morbius etc, but when you have 5 champs all that require spending in 1 form or another, its a red flag.

    I'm going to ignore the personal quips, and talk about the subject.
    This game has always made Champions available through spending in one form or another. All of this foreboding conjecture is as if people have been playing a different game for the last 10 years.
    The only Champion that has no clear indication of being in the Crystals is the Eidol, as far as I've seen. The other Champs have always been acquirable through the Crystals and Arenas, and yes. They're also acquired through spending. That isn't new.
    Pre-release bundles aren't new at all. They're a regular occurrence now. The Double Track isn't new either. They're clearly doing them more often. What you have is an Eidol which CAN be won without spending, but the majority of people will have to spend if they want him.
    Then you have a meta chase Champ, which is also not new.
    They're not a red flag at all. It's the way the game has operated all along.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,625 ★★★★★



    That's the problem right there. People are bothered by a company offering services for money. It shouldn't be new, and it shouldn't be offensive at this point. You can say it's the amount announced, or how they announced it, or the frequency, or any other aspect. It's still the same argument. "How dare they sell things when......"
    The company isn't going to stop selling things when there are issues not resolved. They're not going to stop selling things because people want a Rewards increase. They're certainly not going to stop selling things because F2P feel left out. It's a business. One that makes it possible for people to play for free BECAUSE they sell things. The sooner people accept that, the sooner they can stop causing themselves stress.

    What you're not understanding is that there's a time and a place for that, this game has had offers, huge events targeting whales, etc and they did that ''quietly'', when we see kabam announcing a livestream we expect news regarding details of events, champions because the audience was educated like that from the beggining

    What we got was nothing but new ways to spend money on the game, the fact that The Ordeal is coming on march 12 and we got more details about the new Eidol character instead of the event resumes perfectly what the OP is trying to say
    What does a time and a place mean? They used their Livestream to announce upcoming things. There's no time and place for anything. I'm sorry, but the game isn't completely free, and announcing things for sale is not a betrayal. That's why I called the perspective entitlement. People can hate on me if they like, but we're not entitled to have everything for free, and we have no business telling them to not announce things for sale on their Livestream.
  • kvirrkvirr Member Posts: 2,180 ★★★★★
    TL:DR 100%, so I don’t know what’s really been happening .


    Just wanna say, great thing for you to realize OP, assuming your user correlates with your age


    Are companies allowed to find new ways to profit in order to bring themselves up ? Of course, that’s how business works.

    Kabam doesn’t just grasp that concept, they LOVE this concept, they very clearly love to make people pay to play, the game will end up in the ditch with the way you MUST PAY for anything that can actually push your progression, either play for years, and eventually during those years you must’ve been like “yo this a good deal ima snag this” and you pay, so they profit off you, then they have players with r3’s at tb, which they definitely boost their crystal luck.


    Nobody cares that OP left, but what’s important to note is the reasoning, and it’s something to take in, perfect example is the forums as of recent, 2/3 mods are nowhere to be seen, and the forum moderation is little at a minimum, the previous weekend, we relied on the guardians to do something, because 2/3 of our community mods are GONE, and the one that is here, pops to say things like “team is on it” but never follows up.


    Another thing not sure if it’s been said, but the recent livestream was virtually information-less, they gave us things that are SUPPOSED to happen, but what’s happening now? NO NEW UPDATES are being released in the new month, there’s 1 thing and that’s about it, it’s a rework champion.


    OP has great reasoning, and I’m sure people have pointed out other things, this is literally just what I think without reading anything else
  • kvirrkvirr Member Posts: 2,180 ★★★★★
    oh and not to mention, they charge for everything, even things that should be free.
  • iDestroyerZiDestroyerZ Member Posts: 765 ★★★★
    edited March 4



    That's the problem right there. People are bothered by a company offering services for money. It shouldn't be new, and it shouldn't be offensive at this point. You can say it's the amount announced, or how they announced it, or the frequency, or any other aspect. It's still the same argument. "How dare they sell things when......"
    The company isn't going to stop selling things when there are issues not resolved. They're not going to stop selling things because people want a Rewards increase. They're certainly not going to stop selling things because F2P feel left out. It's a business. One that makes it possible for people to play for free BECAUSE they sell things. The sooner people accept that, the sooner they can stop causing themselves stress.

    What you're not understanding is that there's a time and a place for that, this game has had offers, huge events targeting whales, etc and they did that ''quietly'', when we see kabam announcing a livestream we expect news regarding details of events, champions because the audience was educated like that from the beggining

    What we got was nothing but new ways to spend money on the game, the fact that The Ordeal is coming on march 12 and we got more details about the new Eidol character instead of the event resumes perfectly what the OP is trying to say
    What does a time and a place mean? They used their Livestream to announce upcoming things. There's no time and place for anything. I'm sorry, but the game isn't completely free, and announcing things for sale is not a betrayal. That's why I called the perspective entitlement. People can hate on me if they like, but we're not entitled to have everything for free, and we have no business telling them to not announce things for sale on their Livestream.
    Again, they used to announce these things quietly, they could've easily announce the incredible news about 7* daredevil here on the forums and through marketing as they usually do and spent more time talking about details of the upcoming events such as The Ordeal or Nightmare Raids

    My point is that they educated their audience one way, changing that so suddently is going to get people mad

    ''and we have no business telling them to not announce things for sale on their Livestream'' sure we don't, but we're the audience and if such behavior is going to push people way, the best strategy would be not to do that
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 2,348 ★★★★
    There needs to be more “Why I’m still playing.” posts.
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