Why is Kushala guy giving tough competition to Scuffed Ironman guy in proving who the last challenge players must overcome before getting their hands on Kebem? 😶
On a side note, it hocks me off when people negate their entire Livestream just because they didn't talk about Rewards, and they're announcing a couple things you need to pay for. There's work that goes into these things. They deserve more respect than that.
They're getting paid for their work, they're getting money for their work, this Banquet was historic spending ever and that's great. Stop acting like their hard work is for nothing.
I'm not the one acting like their hard work is for nothing. That was the point of what I said. Just because they get paid to do their job doesn't mean we can take a dookie on it.
If company can get appreciated and big money for their good work, Then the said company will also get "dookie" for their bad work.
No question. I just disagree that it's bad work because their Livestream didn't talk about what people wanted to hear. They talked about other things. That's about it.
Yes, and people are allowed to be upset about the things they talked about. Watching the live stream even I was thinking “man it really doesn’t feel like the best move to announce all of these things that are going to cost money all at once, people aren’t going to like this”
"all of these things".....
They announced a Eidol Champ that most will have to spend if they want it, which isn't new. Exclusive Champs aren't new to the game. Some will get him for free, not everyone. A Double Track isn't new either. They've been going on for some time now. The DD tie-in mentions Bundles, which you can make up for in Units, which is about the only possible unique thing in terms of spending. That's not an onslaught of paid promotion.
Eidol - Sale Double track (Cyclope) Sale DDHK- they did mention spending units Sale Jean - usual early access bundle Sale Bastion - usual early access bundle Sale New EQ "Test" - not a sale Gaunlet recycle - Not a sale Sigil renewed - Sale
Anything I am forgetting about? Funny enough the only time I ever seen you complain was on the difficulty Deathless Chase, a thing not a lot of people really complained about in matter of difficulty..
The Sigil, pre-sales, and Double Tracks are not news. Same things that are always offered.
How is it not news? Did you know ahead of time that it was going to be Cyclops? Fine, so What exactly was news then? You will probably point out the 2 things I listed as Not Sale?
You're moving the goal post with that comment. The pre-sales aren't news. They happen consistently now. This entire argument is senseless. They're a company. They're in the business of selling things.
Why is Kushala guy giving tough competition to Scuffed Ironman guy in proving who the last challenge players must overcome before getting their hands on Kebem? 😶
On a side note, it hocks me off when people negate their entire Livestream just because they didn't talk about Rewards, and they're announcing a couple things you need to pay for. There's work that goes into these things. They deserve more respect than that.
They're getting paid for their work, they're getting money for their work, this Banquet was historic spending ever and that's great. Stop acting like their hard work is for nothing.
I'm not the one acting like their hard work is for nothing. That was the point of what I said. Just because they get paid to do their job doesn't mean we can take a dookie on it.
If company can get appreciated and big money for their good work, Then the said company will also get "dookie" for their bad work.
No question. I just disagree that it's bad work because their Livestream didn't talk about what people wanted to hear. They talked about other things. That's about it.
Yes, and people are allowed to be upset about the things they talked about. Watching the live stream even I was thinking “man it really doesn’t feel like the best move to announce all of these things that are going to cost money all at once, people aren’t going to like this”
"all of these things".....
They announced a Eidol Champ that most will have to spend if they want it, which isn't new. Exclusive Champs aren't new to the game. Some will get him for free, not everyone. A Double Track isn't new either. They've been going on for some time now. The DD tie-in mentions Bundles, which you can make up for in Units, which is about the only possible unique thing in terms of spending. That's not an onslaught of paid promotion.
Eidol - Sale Double track (Cyclope) Sale DDHK- they did mention spending units Sale Jean - usual early access bundle Sale Bastion - usual early access bundle Sale New EQ "Test" - not a sale Gaunlet recycle - Not a sale Sigil renewed - Sale
Anything I am forgetting about? Funny enough the only time I ever seen you complain was on the difficulty Deathless Chase, a thing not a lot of people really complained about in matter of difficulty..
The Sigil, pre-sales, and Double Tracks are not news. Same things that are always offered.
How is it not news? Did you know ahead of time that it was going to be Cyclops? Fine, so What exactly was news then? You will probably point out the 2 things I listed as Not Sale?
You're moving the goal post with that comment. The pre-sales aren't news. They happen consistently now. This entire argument is senseless. They're a company. They're in the business of selling things.
Who said they can't, I am moving a goal post? This is about not communicating any changes on the game and nothing to look foward. You are moving the goal post saying that people are complaining because they didn't say it on the stream. All your responses end the same way man. "This is nonsense I am not doing the mental gymnastics blah blah blah wah wah" whenever you can't make any sense I really hope the next chase is harder so I can see you finally complain again
Interesting article on Naavik,.. Entitled “can Netmarble right the ship”? From feb 5th 2025,…could be some of the reason we are seeing such a focus in monetization.
Yeah, just read that article too and I think you're right. Basically a lot of failures for Netmarble so squeezing as much profit as they can out of reliable mainstays like MCOC makes 100% sense.
So the idea that a consensus of backlash from the forum which represents an irrelevant % of the player base is going to affect its decisionmaking is pretty delusional. Kabam is owned by a company in an existential crisis, they couldn't care less that some forum bros aren't getting what they want...
Are you admitting that the increase in revenue was just blowing smoke then? One part of this is true, they probably couldn't care less of what a bunch of forum users complain about, even if its their customers. On the other hand, imagine how much they care about the positive feedback while the ship is sinking.
So all that was based on a forum post? No offense to the OP of that post; but your claim of revenue increase on a company was based on a forum post? ... Lol
The post was showing the 2024 Q4 Earnings results for MCOC that they're required to disclose to their shareholders. So not really sure what you're saying, but people can read for themselves if they want.
Yeah, problem is the source... Imagine writting a paper for a psychology class and quoting an episode of criminal minds as source....
As a matter of fact, internet forum posts are quoted in academic reports, when they are properly sourced. They are even quoted in court documents. There's a difference between assuming some random person on the internet is relaying actual facts, and referencing a post that itself contains verifiable information in context. In this case the forum post simply contains excerpts from Netmarble's own financial reporting with annotations and some rudimentary calculations, which anyone can verify on their own if they wish to do so.
It is actually a far better source than referencing the so-called revenue analyst websites actually. I've done financial calculations from Netmarble's reporting since that information became available in 2017, and the stuff you Google search** from analyst companies is typically wildly off, because they are using their own means of estimation that doesn't factor in or in any way account for the actual financial reporting of the company itself. Stuff like Sensor Tower for example, is often laughable inaccurate.
** Unless your Google search happens to land on one of my posts, which it sometimes does
Why is Kushala guy giving tough competition to Scuffed Ironman guy in proving who the last challenge players must overcome before getting their hands on Kebem? 😶
On a side note, it hocks me off when people negate their entire Livestream just because they didn't talk about Rewards, and they're announcing a couple things you need to pay for. There's work that goes into these things. They deserve more respect than that.
They're getting paid for their work, they're getting money for their work, this Banquet was historic spending ever and that's great. Stop acting like their hard work is for nothing.
I'm not the one acting like their hard work is for nothing. That was the point of what I said. Just because they get paid to do their job doesn't mean we can take a dookie on it.
If company can get appreciated and big money for their good work, Then the said company will also get "dookie" for their bad work.
No question. I just disagree that it's bad work because their Livestream didn't talk about what people wanted to hear. They talked about other things. That's about it.
Yes, and people are allowed to be upset about the things they talked about. Watching the live stream even I was thinking “man it really doesn’t feel like the best move to announce all of these things that are going to cost money all at once, people aren’t going to like this”
"all of these things".....
They announced a Eidol Champ that most will have to spend if they want it, which isn't new. Exclusive Champs aren't new to the game. Some will get him for free, not everyone. A Double Track isn't new either. They've been going on for some time now. The DD tie-in mentions Bundles, which you can make up for in Units, which is about the only possible unique thing in terms of spending. That's not an onslaught of paid promotion.
I never said everything they announced was a brand-new strategy that they’ve never used before. I said that they announced a bunch of things that are going to require some level of payment (if we want them) all in one livestream. That’s a lot of upcoming micro-transactions to process all at once, it’s not surprising in the slightest that people aren’t happy with it.
Why is Kushala guy giving tough competition to Scuffed Ironman guy in proving who the last challenge players must overcome before getting their hands on Kebem? 😶
On a side note, it hocks me off when people negate their entire Livestream just because they didn't talk about Rewards, and they're announcing a couple things you need to pay for. There's work that goes into these things. They deserve more respect than that.
They're getting paid for their work, they're getting money for their work, this Banquet was historic spending ever and that's great. Stop acting like their hard work is for nothing.
I'm not the one acting like their hard work is for nothing. That was the point of what I said. Just because they get paid to do their job doesn't mean we can take a dookie on it.
If company can get appreciated and big money for their good work, Then the said company will also get "dookie" for their bad work.
No question. I just disagree that it's bad work because their Livestream didn't talk about what people wanted to hear. They talked about other things. That's about it.
Yes, and people are allowed to be upset about the things they talked about. Watching the live stream even I was thinking “man it really doesn’t feel like the best move to announce all of these things that are going to cost money all at once, people aren’t going to like this”
"all of these things".....
They announced a Eidol Champ that most will have to spend if they want it, which isn't new. Exclusive Champs aren't new to the game. Some will get him for free, not everyone. A Double Track isn't new either. They've been going on for some time now. The DD tie-in mentions Bundles, which you can make up for in Units, which is about the only possible unique thing in terms of spending. That's not an onslaught of paid promotion.
I never said everything they announced was a brand-new strategy that they’ve never used before. I said that they announced a bunch of things that are going to require some level of payment (if we want them) all in one livestream. That’s a lot of upcoming micro-transactions to process all at once, it’s not surprising in the slightest that people aren’t happy with it.
That's the problem right there. People are bothered by a company offering services for money. It shouldn't be new, and it shouldn't be offensive at this point. You can say it's the amount announced, or how they announced it, or the frequency, or any other aspect. It's still the same argument. "How dare they sell things when......" The company isn't going to stop selling things when there are issues not resolved. They're not going to stop selling things because people want a Rewards increase. They're certainly not going to stop selling things because F2P feel left out. It's a business. One that makes it possible for people to play for free BECAUSE they sell things. The sooner people accept that, the sooner they can stop causing themselves stress.
Why is Kushala guy giving tough competition to Scuffed Ironman guy in proving who the last challenge players must overcome before getting their hands on Kebem? 😶
On a side note, it hocks me off when people negate their entire Livestream just because they didn't talk about Rewards, and they're announcing a couple things you need to pay for. There's work that goes into these things. They deserve more respect than that.
They're getting paid for their work, they're getting money for their work, this Banquet was historic spending ever and that's great. Stop acting like their hard work is for nothing.
I'm not the one acting like their hard work is for nothing. That was the point of what I said. Just because they get paid to do their job doesn't mean we can take a dookie on it.
If company can get appreciated and big money for their good work, Then the said company will also get "dookie" for their bad work.
No question. I just disagree that it's bad work because their Livestream didn't talk about what people wanted to hear. They talked about other things. That's about it.
Yes, and people are allowed to be upset about the things they talked about. Watching the live stream even I was thinking “man it really doesn’t feel like the best move to announce all of these things that are going to cost money all at once, people aren’t going to like this”
"all of these things".....
They announced a Eidol Champ that most will have to spend if they want it, which isn't new. Exclusive Champs aren't new to the game. Some will get him for free, not everyone. A Double Track isn't new either. They've been going on for some time now. The DD tie-in mentions Bundles, which you can make up for in Units, which is about the only possible unique thing in terms of spending. That's not an onslaught of paid promotion.
I never said everything they announced was a brand-new strategy that they’ve never used before. I said that they announced a bunch of things that are going to require some level of payment (if we want them) all in one livestream. That’s a lot of upcoming micro-transactions to process all at once, it’s not surprising in the slightest that people aren’t happy with it.
That's the problem right there. People are bothered by a company offering services for money. It shouldn't be new, and it shouldn't be offensive at this point. You can say it's the amount announced, or how they announced it, or the frequency, or any other aspect. It's still the same argument. "How dare they sell things when......" The company isn't going to stop selling things when there are issues not resolved. They're not going to stop selling things because people want a Rewards increase. They're certainly not going to stop selling things because F2P feel left out. It's a business. One that makes it possible for people to play for free BECAUSE they sell things. The sooner people accept that, the sooner they can stop causing themselves stress.
Oh so this is on the speculation that everyone participating on this thread is F2P, that's not even moving the goal post. That's taking it into a complete different field.
Why is Kushala guy giving tough competition to Scuffed Ironman guy in proving who the last challenge players must overcome before getting their hands on Kebem? 😶
On a side note, it hocks me off when people negate their entire Livestream just because they didn't talk about Rewards, and they're announcing a couple things you need to pay for. There's work that goes into these things. They deserve more respect than that.
They're getting paid for their work, they're getting money for their work, this Banquet was historic spending ever and that's great. Stop acting like their hard work is for nothing.
I'm not the one acting like their hard work is for nothing. That was the point of what I said. Just because they get paid to do their job doesn't mean we can take a dookie on it.
If company can get appreciated and big money for their good work, Then the said company will also get "dookie" for their bad work.
No question. I just disagree that it's bad work because their Livestream didn't talk about what people wanted to hear. They talked about other things. That's about it.
Yes, and people are allowed to be upset about the things they talked about. Watching the live stream even I was thinking “man it really doesn’t feel like the best move to announce all of these things that are going to cost money all at once, people aren’t going to like this”
"all of these things".....
They announced a Eidol Champ that most will have to spend if they want it, which isn't new. Exclusive Champs aren't new to the game. Some will get him for free, not everyone. A Double Track isn't new either. They've been going on for some time now. The DD tie-in mentions Bundles, which you can make up for in Units, which is about the only possible unique thing in terms of spending. That's not an onslaught of paid promotion.
I never said everything they announced was a brand-new strategy that they’ve never used before. I said that they announced a bunch of things that are going to require some level of payment (if we want them) all in one livestream. That’s a lot of upcoming micro-transactions to process all at once, it’s not surprising in the slightest that people aren’t happy with it.
That's the problem right there. People are bothered by a company offering services for money. It shouldn't be new, and it shouldn't be offensive at this point. You can say it's the amount announced, or how they announced it, or the frequency, or any other aspect. It's still the same argument. "How dare they sell things when......" The company isn't going to stop selling things when there are issues not resolved. They're not going to stop selling things because people want a Rewards increase. They're certainly not going to stop selling things because F2P feel left out. It's a business. One that makes it possible for people to play for free BECAUSE they sell things. The sooner people accept that, the sooner they can stop causing themselves stress.
Oh so this is on the speculation that everyone participating on this thread is F2P, that's not even moving the goal post. That's taking it into a complete different field.
I don't believe that's what I said at all, and I'm curious how you got that generalization from my statement.
Why is Kushala guy giving tough competition to Scuffed Ironman guy in proving who the last challenge players must overcome before getting their hands on Kebem? 😶
On a side note, it hocks me off when people negate their entire Livestream just because they didn't talk about Rewards, and they're announcing a couple things you need to pay for. There's work that goes into these things. They deserve more respect than that.
They're getting paid for their work, they're getting money for their work, this Banquet was historic spending ever and that's great. Stop acting like their hard work is for nothing.
I'm not the one acting like their hard work is for nothing. That was the point of what I said. Just because they get paid to do their job doesn't mean we can take a dookie on it.
If company can get appreciated and big money for their good work, Then the said company will also get "dookie" for their bad work.
No question. I just disagree that it's bad work because their Livestream didn't talk about what people wanted to hear. They talked about other things. That's about it.
Yes, and people are allowed to be upset about the things they talked about. Watching the live stream even I was thinking “man it really doesn’t feel like the best move to announce all of these things that are going to cost money all at once, people aren’t going to like this”
"all of these things".....
They announced a Eidol Champ that most will have to spend if they want it, which isn't new. Exclusive Champs aren't new to the game. Some will get him for free, not everyone. A Double Track isn't new either. They've been going on for some time now. The DD tie-in mentions Bundles, which you can make up for in Units, which is about the only possible unique thing in terms of spending. That's not an onslaught of paid promotion.
I never said everything they announced was a brand-new strategy that they’ve never used before. I said that they announced a bunch of things that are going to require some level of payment (if we want them) all in one livestream. That’s a lot of upcoming micro-transactions to process all at once, it’s not surprising in the slightest that people aren’t happy with it.
That's the problem right there. People are bothered by a company offering services for money. It shouldn't be new, and it shouldn't be offensive at this point. You can say it's the amount announced, or how they announced it, or the frequency, or any other aspect. It's still the same argument. "How dare they sell things when......" The company isn't going to stop selling things when there are issues not resolved. They're not going to stop selling things because people want a Rewards increase. They're certainly not going to stop selling things because F2P feel left out. It's a business. One that makes it possible for people to play for free BECAUSE they sell things. The sooner people accept that, the sooner they can stop causing themselves stress.
Oh so this is on the speculation that everyone participating on this thread is F2P, that's not even moving the goal post. That's taking it into a complete different field.
I don't believe that's what I said at all, and I'm curious how you got that generalization from my statement.
My mistake. I thought you were actually trying to have a conversation. Have fun creating red herrings.
Typical Grounded (drop the wisdom part) asked a question avoid it.
I think you'd have more chances in confronting a brickwall and getting proper argumentation back than arguing with the Simone Biles of mental gymnastics.
I just scrolled through a bunch of pages and I must ask, are you doing this on purpose? @GroundedWisdom . Its like you have the rationalisation skills of a tadpole. After the livestream , it was clear to us all that the intentions of having the champion releases be predominantly all spending.
Its fine to have occasional platinum tracks with champions like we had with Dazzler, morbius etc, but when you have 5 champs all that require spending in 1 form or another, its a red flag.
I just scrolled through a bunch of pages and I must ask, are you doing this on purpose? @GroundedWisdom . Its like you have the rationalisation skills of a tadpole. After the livestream , it was clear to us all that the intentions of having the champion releases be predominantly all spending.
Its fine to have occasional platinum tracks with champions like we had with Dazzler, morbius etc, but when you have 5 champs all that require spending in 1 form or another, its a red flag.
This exactly, most of the "I quit" posts get ridiculed; somehow this one stuck for a lot of us after the stream. Doubt its mob mentality or behavior.
I just scrolled through a bunch of pages and I must ask, are you doing this on purpose? @GroundedWisdom . Its like you have the rationalisation skills of a tadpole. After the livestream , it was clear to us all that the intentions of having the champion releases be predominantly all spending.
Its fine to have occasional platinum tracks with champions like we had with Dazzler, morbius etc, but when you have 5 champs all that require spending in 1 form or another, its a red flag.
I'm going to ignore the personal quips, and talk about the subject. This game has always made Champions available through spending in one form or another. All of this foreboding conjecture is as if people have been playing a different game for the last 10 years. The only Champion that has no clear indication of being in the Crystals is the Eidol, as far as I've seen. The other Champs have always been acquirable through the Crystals and Arenas, and yes. They're also acquired through spending. That isn't new. Pre-release bundles aren't new at all. They're a regular occurrence now. The Double Track isn't new either. They're clearly doing them more often. What you have is an Eidol which CAN be won without spending, but the majority of people will have to spend if they want him. Then you have a meta chase Champ, which is also not new. They're not a red flag at all. It's the way the game has operated all along.
That's the problem right there. People are bothered by a company offering services for money. It shouldn't be new, and it shouldn't be offensive at this point. You can say it's the amount announced, or how they announced it, or the frequency, or any other aspect. It's still the same argument. "How dare they sell things when......" The company isn't going to stop selling things when there are issues not resolved. They're not going to stop selling things because people want a Rewards increase. They're certainly not going to stop selling things because F2P feel left out. It's a business. One that makes it possible for people to play for free BECAUSE they sell things. The sooner people accept that, the sooner they can stop causing themselves stress.
What you're not understanding is that there's a time and a place for that, this game has had offers, huge events targeting whales, etc and they did that ''quietly'', when we see kabam announcing a livestream we expect news regarding details of events, champions because the audience was educated like that from the beggining
What we got was nothing but new ways to spend money on the game, the fact that The Ordeal is coming on march 12 and we got more details about the new Eidol character instead of the event resumes perfectly what the OP is trying to say
That's the problem right there. People are bothered by a company offering services for money. It shouldn't be new, and it shouldn't be offensive at this point. You can say it's the amount announced, or how they announced it, or the frequency, or any other aspect. It's still the same argument. "How dare they sell things when......" The company isn't going to stop selling things when there are issues not resolved. They're not going to stop selling things because people want a Rewards increase. They're certainly not going to stop selling things because F2P feel left out. It's a business. One that makes it possible for people to play for free BECAUSE they sell things. The sooner people accept that, the sooner they can stop causing themselves stress.
What you're not understanding is that there's a time and a place for that, this game has had offers, huge events targeting whales, etc and they did that ''quietly'', when we see kabam announcing a livestream we expect news regarding details of events, champions because the audience was educated like that from the beggining
What we got was nothing but new ways to spend money on the game, the fact that The Ordeal is coming on march 12 and we got more details about the new Eidol character instead of the event resumes perfectly what the OP is trying to say
What does a time and a place mean? They used their Livestream to announce upcoming things. There's no time and place for anything. I'm sorry, but the game isn't completely free, and announcing things for sale is not a betrayal. That's why I called the perspective entitlement. People can hate on me if they like, but we're not entitled to have everything for free, and we have no business telling them to not announce things for sale on their Livestream.
TL:DR 100%, so I don’t know what’s really been happening .
Just wanna say, great thing for you to realize OP, assuming your user correlates with your age
Are companies allowed to find new ways to profit in order to bring themselves up ? Of course, that’s how business works.
Kabam doesn’t just grasp that concept, they LOVE this concept, they very clearly love to make people pay to play, the game will end up in the ditch with the way you MUST PAY for anything that can actually push your progression, either play for years, and eventually during those years you must’ve been like “yo this a good deal ima snag this” and you pay, so they profit off you, then they have players with r3’s at tb, which they definitely boost their crystal luck.
Nobody cares that OP left, but what’s important to note is the reasoning, and it’s something to take in, perfect example is the forums as of recent, 2/3 mods are nowhere to be seen, and the forum moderation is little at a minimum, the previous weekend, we relied on the guardians to do something, because 2/3 of our community mods are GONE, and the one that is here, pops to say things like “team is on it” but never follows up.
Another thing not sure if it’s been said, but the recent livestream was virtually information-less, they gave us things that are SUPPOSED to happen, but what’s happening now? NO NEW UPDATES are being released in the new month, there’s 1 thing and that’s about it, it’s a rework champion.
OP has great reasoning, and I’m sure people have pointed out other things, this is literally just what I think without reading anything else
That's the problem right there. People are bothered by a company offering services for money. It shouldn't be new, and it shouldn't be offensive at this point. You can say it's the amount announced, or how they announced it, or the frequency, or any other aspect. It's still the same argument. "How dare they sell things when......" The company isn't going to stop selling things when there are issues not resolved. They're not going to stop selling things because people want a Rewards increase. They're certainly not going to stop selling things because F2P feel left out. It's a business. One that makes it possible for people to play for free BECAUSE they sell things. The sooner people accept that, the sooner they can stop causing themselves stress.
What you're not understanding is that there's a time and a place for that, this game has had offers, huge events targeting whales, etc and they did that ''quietly'', when we see kabam announcing a livestream we expect news regarding details of events, champions because the audience was educated like that from the beggining
What we got was nothing but new ways to spend money on the game, the fact that The Ordeal is coming on march 12 and we got more details about the new Eidol character instead of the event resumes perfectly what the OP is trying to say
What does a time and a place mean? They used their Livestream to announce upcoming things. There's no time and place for anything. I'm sorry, but the game isn't completely free, and announcing things for sale is not a betrayal. That's why I called the perspective entitlement. People can hate on me if they like, but we're not entitled to have everything for free, and we have no business telling them to not announce things for sale on their Livestream.
Again, they used to announce these things quietly, they could've easily announce the incredible news about 7* daredevil here on the forums and through marketing as they usually do and spent more time talking about details of the upcoming events such as The Ordeal or Nightmare Raids
My point is that they educated their audience one way, changing that so suddently is going to get people mad
''and we have no business telling them to not announce things for sale on their Livestream'' sure we don't, but we're the audience and if such behavior is going to push people way, the best strategy would be not to do that
That's the problem right there. People are bothered by a company offering services for money. It shouldn't be new, and it shouldn't be offensive at this point. You can say it's the amount announced, or how they announced it, or the frequency, or any other aspect. It's still the same argument. "How dare they sell things when......" The company isn't going to stop selling things when there are issues not resolved. They're not going to stop selling things because people want a Rewards increase. They're certainly not going to stop selling things because F2P feel left out. It's a business. One that makes it possible for people to play for free BECAUSE they sell things. The sooner people accept that, the sooner they can stop causing themselves stress.
What you're not understanding is that there's a time and a place for that, this game has had offers, huge events targeting whales, etc and they did that ''quietly'', when we see kabam announcing a livestream we expect news regarding details of events, champions because the audience was educated like that from the beggining
What we got was nothing but new ways to spend money on the game, the fact that The Ordeal is coming on march 12 and we got more details about the new Eidol character instead of the event resumes perfectly what the OP is trying to say
we have no business telling them to not announce things for sale on their Livestream.
Fair but as the target audience of the livestream and game, it seems that that our feedback may be warranted
Man, At least when that scuffed Ironman defend Kebem, he actually has some kind of funny unbelievable defensive words with hints of insults and doubles down on it,
This scuffed Kushala guy is just repeating same thing from last 5 pages over and over.
Nobody cares that OP left, but what’s important to note is the reasoning, and it’s something to take in
OP said they were leaving because a) Kabam doesn't increase rewards and b) they only care about money.
I've been hearing that "reasoning" since 2016. In fact I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a month where I haven't heard that particular complaint.
Then again, the game was supposed to be dead after 12.0. It was also supposed to be dead after the release of 5* champs, and 6* champs, and 7* champs.
People quit for all sorts of reasons. If you didn't want to rebuild your roster when 6* champs came out and decided to quit, well that was entirely your prerogative. But Kabam wasn't going to stop the roll out of higher rarities because of it. And if you decide to quit because you think Kabam only cares about money, well that too is entirely your prerogative but Kabam isn't going to do anything about that one either, because it is not true and there's nothing they can change about their business practices that are worth chasing after the players who think that.
As I keep saying, if that's what you think, quit. Because there are only two possibilities. If Kabam doesn't actually only care about money there's nothing they can do about that complaint. If Kabam does actually only care about money there's nothing they will do about that complaint. So I don't know what you'd be holding out hope for. Divine intervention?
Personally, I think the way Kabam handles monetization for MCOC Is some of the best I've ever seen in an F2P game. Now, a lot of people disagree. But I don't even work on it. I don't have the data Kabam does, I don't have the design docs Kabam does, I'm evaluating the monetization from the outside looking in, with just trained observation and some conversations to go on. Kabam has far more reason to think they are doing the right thing than I do. If you can't convince me, you have no hope of convincing them. And I have yet to see anything that comes close to a convincing argument. But if you think I'm the hard case and the devs are far easier to convince, well, good luck and be my guest. Just don't hold your breath while you try.
There needs to be more “Why I’m still playing.” posts.
If you recall back to when 60 fps came out, there was a groundswell of those types of posts. People I knew that stopped playing were excited about the game again and actively playing.
I don’t think the community is complicated… we want a game that feels like it’s working as intended with AI that’s bound by the same physics as we are, and that month was largely a breath of fresh air.
Fast forward to today… and all the old problems are back plus we have new ones. Every post banquet update has been tragically bugged for at least one major device… Gameplay wise I don’t know if the team artificially messed with the timers or if the AI rolls adjusted to us being able to see and respond faster with more frames but the game inputs and AI plays as faster, poorly and inputs are as unreliable as any point in my memory again…. And instead of even acknowledging it on the stream with a brief statement it felt like an episode of the Battlerealm Shopping Network… it just feels completely outta touch.
And maybe it’s an unfair expectation to want that type of update but we aren’t adequately getting these updates from anywhere else either. Just lots of radio silence as we watch the quality erode further and further each update.
What really makes all the more frustrating is how clean the game performed when 60 fps was introduced compared to now… so what’s changed and why bugs me endlessly at the moment. This game will thrive so much more if it performs as intended reliably. We won’t even need to be sold so hard on things if the game worked well… there’d be far less of these damn depressing threads too.
But the game is playing poorly, game modes have cobwebs on them from neglect and those friends that came back are leaving all over again in addition to others quitting. And the only communication from Kabam on all this is “BUY MORE”… it feels shallow and outta touch… and it sucks.
That’s why this thread has feels different than all the others . It’s not the OP, it’s the timing and the feeling this thread incited.
There needs to be more “Why I’m still playing.” posts.
If you recall back to when 60 fps came out, there was a groundswell of those types of posts. People I knew that stopped playing were excited about the game again and actively playing.
I don’t think the community is complicated… we want a game that feels like it’s working as intended with AI that’s bound by the same physics as we are, and that month was largely a breath of fresh air.
Fast forward to today… and all the old problems are back plus we have new ones. Every post banquet update has been tragically bugged for at least one major device… Gameplay wise I don’t know if the team artificially messed with the timers or if the AI rolls adjusted to us being able to see and respond faster with more frames but the game inputs and AI plays as faster, poorly and inputs are as unreliable as any point in my memory again…. And instead of even acknowledging it on the stream with a brief statement it felt like an episode of the Battlerealm Shopping Network… it just feels completely outta touch.
And maybe it’s an unfair expectation to want that type of update but we aren’t adequately getting these updates from anywhere else either. Just lots of radio silence as we watch the quality erode further and further each update.
What really makes all the more frustrating is how clean the game performed when 60 fps was introduced compared to now… so what’s changed and why bugs me endlessly at the moment. This game will thrive so much more if it performs as intended reliably. We won’t even need to be sold so hard on things if the game worked well… there’d be far less of these damn depressing threads too.
But the game is playing poorly, game modes have cobwebs on them from neglect and those friends that came back are leaving all over again in addition to others quitting. And the only communication from Kabam on all this is “BUY MORE”… it feels shallow and outta touch… and it sucks.
That’s why this thread has feels different than all the others . It’s not the OP, it’s the timing and the feeling this thread incited.
Dont worry about any of that. They're going to have like 7 champions for sale in the next month so surely thay makes it all okay
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All your responses end the same way man. "This is nonsense I am not doing the mental gymnastics blah blah blah wah wah" whenever you can't make any sense
I really hope the next chase is harder so I can see you finally complain again
It is actually a far better source than referencing the so-called revenue analyst websites actually. I've done financial calculations from Netmarble's reporting since that information became available in 2017, and the stuff you Google search** from analyst companies is typically wildly off, because they are using their own means of estimation that doesn't factor in or in any way account for the actual financial reporting of the company itself. Stuff like Sensor Tower for example, is often laughable inaccurate.
** Unless your Google search happens to land on one of my posts, which it sometimes does
The company isn't going to stop selling things when there are issues not resolved. They're not going to stop selling things because people want a Rewards increase. They're certainly not going to stop selling things because F2P feel left out. It's a business. One that makes it possible for people to play for free BECAUSE they sell things. The sooner people accept that, the sooner they can stop causing themselves stress.
And mcoc is first in revenue contribution to Netmarble
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Its fine to have occasional platinum tracks with champions like we had with Dazzler, morbius etc, but when you have 5 champs all that require spending in 1 form or another, its a red flag.
This game has always made Champions available through spending in one form or another. All of this foreboding conjecture is as if people have been playing a different game for the last 10 years.
The only Champion that has no clear indication of being in the Crystals is the Eidol, as far as I've seen. The other Champs have always been acquirable through the Crystals and Arenas, and yes. They're also acquired through spending. That isn't new.
Pre-release bundles aren't new at all. They're a regular occurrence now. The Double Track isn't new either. They're clearly doing them more often. What you have is an Eidol which CAN be won without spending, but the majority of people will have to spend if they want him.
Then you have a meta chase Champ, which is also not new.
They're not a red flag at all. It's the way the game has operated all along.
What we got was nothing but new ways to spend money on the game, the fact that The Ordeal is coming on march 12 and we got more details about the new Eidol character instead of the event resumes perfectly what the OP is trying to say
Just wanna say, great thing for you to realize OP, assuming your user correlates with your age
Are companies allowed to find new ways to profit in order to bring themselves up ? Of course, that’s how business works.
Kabam doesn’t just grasp that concept, they LOVE this concept, they very clearly love to make people pay to play, the game will end up in the ditch with the way you MUST PAY for anything that can actually push your progression, either play for years, and eventually during those years you must’ve been like “yo this a good deal ima snag this” and you pay, so they profit off you, then they have players with r3’s at tb, which they definitely boost their crystal luck.
Nobody cares that OP left, but what’s important to note is the reasoning, and it’s something to take in, perfect example is the forums as of recent, 2/3 mods are nowhere to be seen, and the forum moderation is little at a minimum, the previous weekend, we relied on the guardians to do something, because 2/3 of our community mods are GONE, and the one that is here, pops to say things like “team is on it” but never follows up.
Another thing not sure if it’s been said, but the recent livestream was virtually information-less, they gave us things that are SUPPOSED to happen, but what’s happening now? NO NEW UPDATES are being released in the new month, there’s 1 thing and that’s about it, it’s a rework champion.
OP has great reasoning, and I’m sure people have pointed out other things, this is literally just what I think without reading anything else
My point is that they educated their audience one way, changing that so suddently is going to get people mad
''and we have no business telling them to not announce things for sale on their Livestream'' sure we don't, but we're the audience and if such behavior is going to push people way, the best strategy would be not to do that
At least when that scuffed Ironman defend Kebem, he actually has some kind of funny unbelievable defensive words with hints of insults and doubles down on it,
This scuffed Kushala guy is just repeating same thing from last 5 pages over and over.
I've been hearing that "reasoning" since 2016. In fact I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a month where I haven't heard that particular complaint.
Then again, the game was supposed to be dead after 12.0. It was also supposed to be dead after the release of 5* champs, and 6* champs, and 7* champs.
People quit for all sorts of reasons. If you didn't want to rebuild your roster when 6* champs came out and decided to quit, well that was entirely your prerogative. But Kabam wasn't going to stop the roll out of higher rarities because of it. And if you decide to quit because you think Kabam only cares about money, well that too is entirely your prerogative but Kabam isn't going to do anything about that one either, because it is not true and there's nothing they can change about their business practices that are worth chasing after the players who think that.
As I keep saying, if that's what you think, quit. Because there are only two possibilities. If Kabam doesn't actually only care about money there's nothing they can do about that complaint. If Kabam does actually only care about money there's nothing they will do about that complaint. So I don't know what you'd be holding out hope for. Divine intervention?
Personally, I think the way Kabam handles monetization for MCOC Is some of the best I've ever seen in an F2P game. Now, a lot of people disagree. But I don't even work on it. I don't have the data Kabam does, I don't have the design docs Kabam does, I'm evaluating the monetization from the outside looking in, with just trained observation and some conversations to go on. Kabam has far more reason to think they are doing the right thing than I do. If you can't convince me, you have no hope of convincing them. And I have yet to see anything that comes close to a convincing argument. But if you think I'm the hard case and the devs are far easier to convince, well, good luck and be my guest. Just don't hold your breath while you try.
I don’t think the community is complicated… we want a game that feels like it’s working as intended with AI that’s bound by the same physics as we are, and that month was largely a breath of fresh air.
Fast forward to today… and all the old problems are back plus we have new ones. Every post banquet update has been tragically bugged for at least one major device… Gameplay wise I don’t know if the team artificially messed with the timers or if the AI rolls adjusted to us being able to see and respond faster with more frames but the game inputs and AI plays as faster, poorly and inputs are as unreliable as any point in my memory again…. And instead of even acknowledging it on the stream with a brief statement it felt like an episode of the Battlerealm Shopping Network… it just feels completely outta touch.
And maybe it’s an unfair expectation to want that type of update but we aren’t adequately getting these updates from anywhere else either. Just lots of radio silence as we watch the quality erode further and further each update.
What really makes all the more frustrating is how clean the game performed when 60 fps was introduced compared to now… so what’s changed and why bugs me endlessly at the moment. This game will thrive so much more if it performs as intended reliably. We won’t even need to be sold so hard on things if the game worked well… there’d be far less of these damn depressing threads too.
But the game is playing poorly, game modes have cobwebs on them from neglect and those friends that came back are leaving all over again in addition to others quitting. And the only communication from Kabam on all this is “BUY MORE”… it feels shallow and outta touch… and it sucks.
That’s why this thread has feels different than all the others . It’s not the OP, it’s the timing and the feeling this thread incited.