Valiant Bottom Tier Perspective on the New Rewards System

I became Valiant about 3 months ago, and I’m currently in the bottom tier of Prestige. When I first checked out the new EQ rewards, I was honestly disappointed. At first glance, it looked way worse than the old Paragon + Valiant rewards. Titan shards and T7 basics especially seemed like a huge nerf.

But then I decided to do the math properly, combining the daily harvests, weekly harvests, and EQ rewards, and things look a bit different.

Note: Daily run can be done 6 days a week, and weekly run can be completed 4 times per month.

Monthly Reward Comparison

T6B
Old (Paragon + Valiant): 4
New (Daily + Weekly + EQ): 22

T3A
Old (Paragon + Valiant): 4
New (Daily + Weekly + EQ): 22

T6CC
Old (Paragon + Valiant): 3.5
New (Daily + Weekly + EQ): ~ 12

T4A
Old (Valiant): 45,600 shards
New (Only in Weekly + EQ): 1 full catalyst + 31,900 shards

7* Shards
Old (Paragon + Valiant): 18,000
New (Wed & Sat + Weekly + EQ): 27,400

7* Awakening Gem Shards
Old (Valiant): 2,000
New (Only in EQ): 1,600

T7B
Old (Valiant): 25,200
New (Only in EQ): 9,200

Titan Shards
Old (Valiant): 8,000
New (Only in EQ): 3,400

Conclusion

At first glance, it looked like a straight nerf. But after combining daily + weekly + EQ rewards, most items actually got a significant boost—except for Titan shards and T7B, which remain heavily reduced for me. The only bottleneck now is energy, requiring 2 refills per day to fully farm daily rewards and supply runs.

Comments

Zeraphan

Comparing EQ from previous to current should be just EQ. The update to daily quests, while nice and I do appreciate it, should not be factored in to the EQ comparison.

Coolbum67

also you are forgetting to factor in time/energy refills. to be able to even do the new daily quests to get rewards that we could get without spending energy before. now you will have to spend units on energy to even be able to do all that content, unless you are able to log in once your energy refreshes throughout the day during the month to keep up with everything.

Ab_Samad

Guys I'm not defending kabam. The purpose of this post is simply to make everyone aware of how the rewards are distributed.

PT_99

Soo all the basic stuff got buff,

But premium stuff like 7* gem, T7basic/7r4 material and Titan shards got nerfed 💞

Super_Cretu90

@Coolbum67, how were we able to complete daily quests before without consuming energy? It does not many any sense at all. Also, why are you saying we need to spend energy and units to get the same rewards as before?

Total amount of energy required to fully explore Paragon&Valiant Catalyst Harvest, plus daily essentials and the Supply is of around 100 energy. We get 50% T6B, 50% T3A, 30% T6CC, 33% T5CC, 450k gold, 7* shards, 6* relics shards, etc.

How does that compare to old format: 15-20% T4B, a few T3B, T3CC, T2B and T2CC, no 7* shards, no signature stones?

We can take 3 x 7* champions from rank 1 to rank 2 in the course of a month now only thanks to these new daily events. Or "almost" take one from rank 1 to 3. How is that even bad?

Energy refills every 6 hours, which means we have at least 4 full energy bars per day, of which, we can easily benefit from two full bars of energy (given that some of us have jobs and family etc.), with which we can explore all the daily essentials, supply drops and Paragon+Valiant catalyst harvest with only 100 energy. If I am at work, I do my job while putting the phone down and let it on auto play.

I agree Kabam became even more greedy with their constat sales events that occur every month now, instead of 4 times per year. I also agree they ruined Battlegrounds and should make some changes to the Adaptive Event Quest, but even if they do implement something good, or very good, people are still very unhappy.

Ikaliban

It's a game, not a job. How can you keep logging in every 6 hours? Family, work, sleep, leisure. Yes, removing refills took away players' freedom to enter into slavery mode. And worse, it could be better at attracting new players, maintaining the 30-day time limit. Even the legends aren't happy with the change. I understand that some people have great characters. Most don't, and this becomes monotonous and ultimately leads to giving up.

JESUSCHRIST

This isn't working for most players

Casual players are the first to quit when they are stuck so that won't be good bcos they are the majority

Veteran players can adapt to the increased difficulty but we are the minority of the entire playerbase

Super_Cretu90

I totally agree that it should not feel like a second job. That is why i stopped playing Incursions, Arena, Battlegrounds.

I also agree that taking out energy refills was not a clever move at all. Having extra refills would give us access to explore as much content as we like, whenever we like. If they really wanted to give us less access to them, they could have limited the amount to, let's say, 50%, not take them out entirely.

But it is almost impossible to find middle ground in this game, unfortunately.

GrO_ot

A lot of players kept their prestige low, to get easier matches in BG…and now the ones that went for prestige gets rewarded, like it used to be back in the days with prestige in AQ/ AW.

This is just the normal greedy human behavior - «I have played this game for years - now I’m entitled to everything» Sorry pal, things change, and they will change again, and you will not always be on the receiving end of every change.

Beerus2Strong

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2873261#Comment_2873261

The part about players intentionally keeping their prestige low sounds like something a goofy person would come up with. Where have you heard of such?

Madbonė

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/403032/valiant-bottom-tier-perspective-on-the-new-rewards-system

Thanks for taking the time to show the comparison. It’s a shame you lose out based on prestige tier compared to the old system. I suspect this was an oversight and I can see them adjusting this.

The loss of energy refills is huge for me personally. I can’t bring my phone in the building so I lose some access to energy use during the work week. I play daily and I like to clear a lot of content but there’s no way in hell I feel compelled to spend units on energy refills. This is an EASY fix and win for the community.

Ab_Samad

@Zeraphan

Are you getting more rewards from EQ compared to Paragon + Valiant? If yes, then maybe you’re placed in a higher tier.

For me, I’m in the bottom tier, and my EQ rewards look like this:

T6CC 10% ×3

T6CC 25% ×6

T7B – 9,200

T6B ~2

T3A ~2

T4A – 31,900

7* Awakening Gem Shards – 1,600

7* Shards – 12,400

Titan Shards – 3,400

Honestly, that’s way lower than what I used to get from Paragon and Valiant exploration.

But here’s the key point, comparing the new EQ rewards with the old Paragon + Valiant alone isn’t enough. With the new system, Kabam has clearly shifted a significant chunk of resources into Daily and Weekly quests.

Now just for perspective let’s assume Kabam had kept everything inside EQ exploration instead of spreading it across Daily + Weekly runs. The rewards could have looked something like this:

T6B ~20

T3A ~20

T6CC ~12

7* Shards – 27,400

T4A – 1.5M

Units ~800

As you can see, that’s already very close to what we get from 9.1 exploration, and remember these numbers are for bottom tier players. Higher prestige players would naturally earn even more.

Ab_Samad

@Madbonė

I agree that soon the daily runs will start feeling monotonous almost like a second job.

To fully explore Daily Harvest (for catalysts and gold) plus one Supply Run, it costs about 2 energy refills. Now technically, energy does recharge about 4 times a day, but realistically after factoring in life outside the game—we only get to use 2 refills at best.

That means if we burn both our refills just chasing daily runs, we’ll have nothing left for EQ, SQ, or story content.

So after Kabam has basically Kabamed us on the refill distribution, it’ll be interesting to see how players manage to juggle all these modes.

Coolbum67

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2873279#Comment_2873279

this right here is my point also. make those stupid new daily quests and the Sunday one but take away all energy so you have to buy refills to do any content when a person actually can sit down and do the content. half of the changes they did I cannot make it make sense at all. as a company you should want to increase shareholder value, driving away your player base is the opposite, unless they just expect enough new people to keep coming to the game that will not have a clue about the changes.

Ab_Samad

@Coolbum67

My intention was never to defend Kabam or to draw a comparison to make the new rewards look good. I was simply trying to make sense of all this unasked nonsense.

Coolbum67

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2873294#Comment_2873294

I think I'm agreeing with you lol.

Zeraphan

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2873278#Comment_2873278

I am in the lowest tier of Valiant.

This EQ system is designed to replace the old EQ system, therefore the comparison of rewards needs to be just that, the EQ system itself and not bring in anything extra.

The units from the old lower difficulty EQ were moved into the new Daily quests as Kabam mentioned. They did not mention any other rewards being moved as part of their design.