Heimdall counter!!!

Use NC. He doesn’t use dexterity to evade manually and I have confirmed he can evade Heimdall with a TS buff. Pretty sure vulture can do it as well

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Rafikii

i like to think of NCs BAMF as an iFrame in the MIDDLE of his dodge. so its not necessarily a "well timed dodge" like dex( where you dodge as youre about to get hit and it evades) as much as, in the middle of the Blue cloud animation hes just completely unhittable.
might sound a bit weird and sounds like the same thing. but i think of it like block and parry. if you parry early, youre still blocking. so you wont get the stun, but youre still reducing damage.
in this case, youre not getting an evade, but the passive iFrame in the dodge is still active.... if that makes any sense haha

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Hammerbro_64

Ragman23 wrote: »

The way I understand it....true strike cancels auto evade. NC has 2 different passives. 1 is auto evade in neyaphem mode which can be suppressed by true strike. The other is bamf which he cant be hit while dodging back. True strike does not affect bamf or your ability to dodge/evade. Dexterity is a mastery term which they should change to referring to ability to evade projectile only. You can still evade without dexterity mastery, just wont be able to evade projectiles. No?

Actually you will find you get clipped and wrecked a lot more without dexterity at high level play. You can get back from attacks but you can’t “close shave” dodge them.

Bahamut

Awesome, thanks. I have a 4* NC. That’ll make exploration a lot easier.

mAleksandar

Guys, look at it like this:
When you actually use dexterity mastery you get yellow “dexterity” written next to your character and when a champ uses evade, he gets green “evade” written next to him. Now, as for when NC uses bamf, or whatever it’s called, he physically disappears for a part of the second in order to reappear on some other place ( let’s call it teleportation

). So, while champs with dexterity and evade abilities are physically present on a fighting stage while using them, NC is not, thus, Heimdall’s true strike doesn’t affect him since he uses teleportation or bamf how they called it...

Hammerbro_64

mAleksandar wrote: »

Guys, look at it like this:
When you actually use dexterity mastery you get yellow “dexterity” written next to your character and when a champ uses evade, he gets green “evade” written next to him. Now, as for when NC uses bamf, or whatever it’s called, he physically disappears for a part of the second in order to reappear on some other place ( let’s call it teleportation ). So, while champs with dexterity and evade abilities are physically present on a fighting stage while using them, NC is not, thus, Heimdall’s true strike doesn’t affect him since he uses teleportation or bamf how they called it...

Yup. That’s the science behind it I figure....now to figure out why Vulture works (probably) as well...

Hammerbro_64

Cool @BitterSteel
I’m about to hit the hay so best of luck to your research. If you hadn’t realized yet in the Thor the dark world quest there’s a Heimdall to use low level 3* against.

Namelez

Hammerbro_64 wrote: »

Use NC. He doesn’t use dexterity to evade manually and I have confirmed he can evade Heimdall with a TS buff. Pretty sure vulture can do it as well

Thank u bro ! I have a NC r5 and wanted to test this out ! LoL ik u in-game haha but now that ik for sure NC's bamf works I'ma take advantage of it! LoL

Jestr54

Hood’s invisibility does the same. It makes Heimdall miss

Mirage_Turtle

BitterSteel wrote: »

Hammerbro_64 wrote: »

Cool @BitterSteel
I’m about to hit the hay so best of luck to your research. If you hadn’t realized yet in the Thor the dark world quest there’s a Heimdall to use low level 3* against.

@Hammerbro_64 @Mirage_Turtle

Been testing vulture and he was actually unable to evade Heimdall’s L2. Which got me quite confused why night crawler works and why vulture doesn’t. Interestingly enough, he was able to avoid it by using his “miss” mechanic which unfortunately is sometimes tricky to pin down. I have a video of it, but as I don’t think you can upload videos if you’re interested in seeing it, PM me and we can sort out sending it on the Line App.

Interesting...

Based on the wording, I would assume that Vulture would behave the same as Nightcrawler in this scenario at the cost of 10 Chitauri Energy. The only difference seems to be that Vulture's description explicitly says "Evade" while NC's doesn't.

Vulture: "Vulture Evades all attacks while Dodging back."
Nightcrawler: "While Dodging back, Nightcrawler cannot be struck by attacks."

I'm glad the Decoy mechanic works though, though logically I'm not sure it should. I've given up on trying to decipher Kabam logic.

Thanks for the update!