15.0 Alliance Wars Update Discussion Thread

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Our 15.0 Update is just about a week away, and with it, it's bringing a huge change to Alliance Wars! Check out everything you need to know about the Brand New Map, Scoring Changes, and new boosts in the Loyalty Store here: http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/17902/15-0-alliance-wars-update/

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vikky89

Acanthus wrote: »

vikky89 wrote: »

Kdog76 wrote: »

No comment from the mods for days is our answer folks. The "game team" made up their minds apparently. There's No feedback from players being taken into consideration here and the patented silence treatment from kabam means choke this one down and play or move on unfortunately.

Get your regen champs up to rank ( I mean you only need 6,000 units LOL) and remember to force close at the right moment before you die- that is the only skill left in aw at this point.

If we've learned anything its that complaining here, with no response, never changes the game teams mind.

@Kabam Miike You need to seriously answer our concerns regarding regen champs without def kills. Anyone with champs like SIM, IM DV can try unlimited times with regen-pause-timeout method without any penalty.

Don't worry they'll add heal block nodes

yeah just heal block whole map and render all regen champs completely useless like DV.

Gremlin23

I just reached level 56 on my contest of champions and when I was on level 55 I had 69 energy limit and when I leveled up I stayed at 69, is that the limit? Was it a bug? Is that as far as it goes?

Mattylo

Gremlin23 wrote: »

I just reached level 56 on my contest of champions and when I was on level 55 I had 69 energy limit and when I leveled up I stayed at 69, is that the limit? Was it a bug? Is that as far as it goes?

60 is when you get the next point

Lo4eath

Any word on the new map/nodes ?

Amonthir

Yes, Miike, any chance we can get a preview of AW map, or a list of nodes for each map? The disposition of nodes and such determines ranking up new champs, so we would really like to have the info sooner than 'day of'. Even with a 24 hour placement period, it might not be enough time to make sure we have the materials ready.
Add onto that Defender Diversity, and we will need time for Alliances to discuss who will bring what champs to Defense, in case the points really matter.

SubTypical

SubTypical wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Mana_Pot wrote: »

I am curious about the detect masteries now that its been brought up. This does make them completely useless. AQ has maps out there that list all of the opponents on what nodes. AW was the only place with variety (sorta) that they could be used. Can anyone tell me a purpose for them now that I may be missing?

This is something that I raised with the team, and they are discussing the situation now.

Any updates on how this discussion is going @Kabam Miike ? A bunch of people have been asking, and no mods have offered any follow up or even acknowledged that this is still being looked into. @Ad0ra_ , @Kabam Wolf , @Kabam Zibiit, @Kabam Vydious, @Kabam Pertinax, anyone want to chime in here?

Just gonna ignore @Kabam Miike ?

Greywarden

I have another example of a war we barely won solely due to defense kills. @Kabam Miike I know you're only the voice of the game team but taking away defensive kills from points totals is going to make people not even try once they reach the "pay to win tier." If you guys are really concerned with people having a feeling of defeat, there will be no greater feeling of defeat when you go up against an item alliance and you don't have the resources to match.

Also, reattaching my initial example from before the above war

Voluntaris

Greywarden wrote: »

I have another example of a war we barely won solely due to defense kills. @Kabam Miike I know you're only the voice of the game team but taking away defensive kills from points totals is going to make people not even try once they reach the "pay to win tier." If you guys are really concerned with people having a feeling of defeat, there will be no greater feeling of defeat when you go up against an item alliance and you don't have the resources to match.

Also, reattaching my initial example from before the above war

couldn't agree more ... Alliance War is going to go from a fun/exciting/skillful/competitive game mode .... to a game mode where we wait to see if other alliance blows items and if they do, just ignore it and get our "defeated shards". - talk about feelings of defeat.

DarkConfidant14

Greywarden wrote: »

I have another example of a war we barely won solely due to defense kills. @Kabam Miike I know you're only the voice of the game team but taking away defensive kills from points totals is going to make people not even try once they reach the "pay to win tier." If you guys are really concerned with people having a feeling of defeat, there will be no greater feeling of defeat when you go up against an item alliance and you don't have the resources to match.

Also, reattaching my initial example from before the above war

Just happended the same thing yesterday! we won the war just with the difensive kills because we both where equal in the exploration.
As i said before.....i think that no one have tested the new system before the realease. I think that all the the develloppers are not players. If you don't play this game you can't undersand it.
I think that these new war system is going to fall really soon.

SubTypical

SubTypical wrote: »

SubTypical wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Mana_Pot wrote: »

I am curious about the detect masteries now that its been brought up. This does make them completely useless. AQ has maps out there that list all of the opponents on what nodes. AW was the only place with variety (sorta) that they could be used. Can anyone tell me a purpose for them now that I may be missing?

This is something that I raised with the team, and they are discussing the situation now.

Any updates on how this discussion is going @Kabam Miike ? A bunch of people have been asking, and no mods have offered any follow up or even acknowledged that this is still being looked into. @Ad0ra_ , @Kabam Wolf , @Kabam Zibiit, @Kabam Vydious, @Kabam Pertinax, anyone want to chime in here?

Just gonna ignore @Kabam Miike ?

Goooooooood morning Mikey! Just checking in again... @Kabam Miike are you guys still discussing?

Star_Lord_

Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but how about you penalize teams for using revives and health potions?

If defender kills are removed, we can just revive, and or burn thru health without consequence. If Kabam takes away points (or adds for not using) then that would introduce more skill-based play. I know Kabam wants us to spend money, and we still will, but at least there is a repercussion in wars for those who spam revives.

I loved the defender kills and am sad to see it leave, I just want to have something count when your team does a good job holding off the opposition!

LocoMotives

Penalizing for item use is basically penalizing for spending at all. Will never happen, but there have been a few good ideas mixed in the comments here on how to maintain war integrity (other than simply keeping D kills, which is the easiest solution).

Greywarden

LocoMotives wrote: »

Penalizing for item use is basically penalizing for spending at all. Will never happen, but there have been a few good ideas mixed in the comments here on how to maintain war integrity (other than simply keeping D kills, which is the easiest solution).

There has to be a penalty for being outplayed. Just getting the satisfaction of knowing you made somebody use an item isn't enough....

LocoMotives

Greywarden wrote: »

LocoMotives wrote: »

Penalizing for item use is basically penalizing for spending at all. Will never happen, but there have been a few good ideas mixed in the comments here on how to maintain war integrity (other than simply keeping D kills, which is the easiest solution).

There has to be a penalty for being outplayed. Just getting the satisfaction of knowing you made somebody use an item isn't enough....

Agree, I was responding to @Star_Lord_ above me. I think pts for D kills was the simplest and best solution and should be re-implemented, but there have been other good ideas as well.

Oneslydogg

Any update on detect masteries? The new update renders them useless, and I spent items unlocking them.

Star_Lord_

LocoMotives wrote: »

Greywarden wrote: »

LocoMotives wrote: »

Penalizing for item use is basically penalizing for spending at all. Will never happen, but there have been a few good ideas mixed in the comments here on how to maintain war integrity (other than simply keeping D kills, which is the easiest solution).

There has to be a penalty for being outplayed. Just getting the satisfaction of knowing you made somebody use an item isn't enough....

Agree, I was responding to @Star_Lord_ above me. I think pts for D kills was the simplest and best solution and should be re-implemented, but there have been other good ideas as well.

I completely agree! I loved watching my body count increase. I was just trying to come up with a possible idea to track how good your defenders are. Kills worked just fine, but if they are set on removing that then at least track the about of bandages used.

Amonthir

Patch is here, any chance we can get a look at War maps and nodes?

SubTypical

SubTypical wrote: »

SubTypical wrote: »

SubTypical wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Mana_Pot wrote: »

I am curious about the detect masteries now that its been brought up. This does make them completely useless. AQ has maps out there that list all of the opponents on what nodes. AW was the only place with variety (sorta) that they could be used. Can anyone tell me a purpose for them now that I may be missing?

This is something that I raised with the team, and they are discussing the situation now.

Any updates on how this discussion is going @Kabam Miike ? A bunch of people have been asking, and no mods have offered any follow up or even acknowledged that this is still being looked into. @Ad0ra_ , @Kabam Wolf , @Kabam Zibiit, @Kabam Vydious, @Kabam Pertinax, anyone want to chime in here?

Just gonna ignore @Kabam Miike ?

Goooooooood morning Mikey! Just checking in again... @Kabam Miike are you guys still discussing?

Goooooooood evening Mikey! Just checking in again @Kabam Miike . Anything yet?

Unconquered_55

@Kabam Miike
Is there any effort being put into fixing the Vision bug? He is not dealing any damage on his specials and not placing the heal block when enemies are reduced to zero power. I was hoping to see something about it being fixed with 15.0 but nothing.....

PrettyHatMachine

Just wanted to add my screenshot of a war that was a win last week but would be a loss in the new war calculations.

Our attackers played much better than theirs by a margin of a hundred ko's despite exploring 3% less. In this system we are rewarded for our superior gameplay by incurring less points for the opposing team. In the new system, the team that is more willing to buy revives and Zerg the champs down will be rewarded.

The shift from rewarding better gameplay to rewarding a willingness to spend seems impossible to deny.

Acanthus

vikky89 wrote: »

Acanthus wrote: »

vikky89 wrote: »

Kdog76 wrote: »

No comment from the mods for days is our answer folks. The "game team" made up their minds apparently. There's No feedback from players being taken into consideration here and the patented silence treatment from kabam means choke this one down and play or move on unfortunately.

Get your regen champs up to rank ( I mean you only need 6,000 units LOL) and remember to force close at the right moment before you die- that is the only skill left in aw at this point.

If we've learned anything its that complaining here, with no response, never changes the game teams mind.

@Kabam Miike You need to seriously answer our concerns regarding regen champs without def kills. Anyone with champs like SIM, IM DV can try unlimited times with regen-pause-timeout method without any penalty.

Don't worry they'll add heal block nodes

yeah just heal block whole map and render all regen champs completely useless like DV.

DV would be far from useless even with heal block

vikky89

PrettyHatMachine wrote: »

Just wanted to add my screenshot of a war that was a win last week but would be a loss in the new war calculations.

Our attackers played much better than theirs by a margin of a hundred ko's despite exploring 3% less. In this system we are rewarded for our superior gameplay by incurring less points for the opposing team. In the new system, the team that is more willing to buy revives and Zerg the champs down will be rewarded.

The shift from rewarding better gameplay to rewarding a willingness to spend seems impossible to deny.

And @Kabam Miike logic is that people are not trying to fight even with full health champs Lol. Talk about alternative facts.

Brandonius

Unconquered_55 wrote: »

@Kabam Miike
Is there any effort being put into fixing the Vision bug? He is not dealing any damage on his specials and not placing the heal block when enemies are reduced to zero power. I was hoping to see something about it being fixed with 15.0 but nothing.....

We’re still waiting for them to fix the Skill mastery L4&5...

Damageu

I suggest that you allow teams of 5 for the attack phase in AW, that should balance out the extra couple of bosses nicely.

Reverse_Green

Everytime I fight an enemy and win the game keeps on loading and doesn't stip and so I have to close the game and open it again. And whenever that happens and i fight again my champions have full health but when i begin the fight my champions are at like half health. And even if I win I have to fight the same opponent again. This keeps happening over and over again. Please Kabam I hope you can fix this problem.

Voluntaris

just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh*

"We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW)

... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!"

fml

Jaffacaked

Voluntaris wrote: »

just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh*

"We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW)

... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!"

fml

Not just that but they say they got rid of thorns like they're doing us a favour, then they go an add nodes like flare which is just degen. Honestly that's just takes no skill or specific champ it's just unavoidable damage.

Everything screams it's a cash grab an we want your money

Jon8299

Jaffacaked wrote: »

Voluntaris wrote: »

just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh*

"We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW)

... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!"

fml

Not just that but they say they got rid of thorns like they're doing us a favour, then they go an add nodes like flare which is just degen. Honestly that's just takes no skill or specific champ it's just unavoidable damage.

Everything screams it's a cash grab an we want your money

Sorry guys, I can't find the video you speak of. Could you post a link to it?

arni2

Portals question:
Will it be possible to fight one miniboss, beat him and jump to other and help the team?
According to what I see now it will require 2 players per miniboss.

MegaSkater67

Jon8299 wrote: »

Jaffacaked wrote: »

Voluntaris wrote: »

just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh*

"We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW)

... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!"

fml

Not just that but they say they got rid of thorns like they're doing us a favour, then they go an add nodes like flare which is just degen. Honestly that's just takes no skill or specific champ it's just unavoidable damage.

Everything screams it's a cash grab an we want your money

Sorry guys, I can't find the video you speak of. Could you post a link to it?

https://youtu.be/eroAvZtoHok

Layout seems good but I'm not a fan of flare either. Hope it's not on many nodes.