Is Iceman God tier ?

Vossler77

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Grimmbear

Yes. Only champion without a major weakness

gahrling

Nope - he has no regen.

Great yes, gdlk no. I don't think there are any god tiers any more, just A+

Yellsome

Whoever replied no...Idk whats up wid u

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DHCVoLt

Yes. He provides the utility of tanking Special 3s and canceling evades while still having great damage.

UnsaferBinkie7

He is extremely god tier, his frost bites don't count as debuffs so he can just place them no matter what. Eats l3s, has armor and doesn't activate md much. And the way he looks is so Damm beautiful, his 3rd special is the most beautiful special in the game lol. Then his special 2.... his special 2 is literally an act of a god. Brings a whole piece of ice from the heavens man. (I love the character, champ. I have his 5* and he's just amazing, his animations are amazing, everything.) Wish he'd have like a old man logan type of heal, feel like that would atleast make sense but oh well, he's a god.

winterthur

Any champ which can survive a special 3 on low health has to be special. I don't have him, yet to open the monthly login crystal. Is his ability to survive special 3 similar with Gwenpool?

He fight similar like Mordo though.

neb

If iceman has his ice armor and takes a hit for more then 5% of his base hp it's reduced to 5% and breaks his icearmor. As long as you keep his ice armor up a sp3 can only hit him for 5%

NormanBJJ

There aren't any "god tier" champs anymore, Iceman is good, but his damage doesn't even compare to Hyperion's or Archangel's, or the potential damage of Dr Voodoo against champs like Groot. He counters evade, but so does Archangel if you get Neurotoxins off on the opponent, which is fairly easy when you parry them

NormanBJJ

Triple immunity is awesome, but I fail to see how he is a "utility" champ, he's good for suicide masteries thats for sure

LoPresti

Have to define "God tier" first.

neb

He's called utility because he's good for bleed, poison, all or nothing and evaders. I'm not sure all or nothing is a thing anywhere anymore though.

Degirmencioglu

I’m still waiting to see what’s his utility is. Stopping someone from evading isn’t a selling point neither does it make a champ “god tier” if that’s the case then crossbones should be a god tier champ. He can ramp up damage much faster and better than iceman, he can stop evade, he can stop ability’s from triggering. It’s so many champs that can do more and have more utility than iceman but so many keep calling him this so called “god tier”.

NormanBJJ

Degirmencioglu wrote: »

I’m still waiting to see what’s his utility is. Stopping someone from evading isn’t a selling point neither does it make a champ “god tier” if that’s the case then crossbones should be a god tier champ. He can ramp up damage much faster and better than iceman, he can stop evade, he can stop ability’s from triggering. It’s so many champs that can do more and have more utility than iceman but so many keep calling him this so called “god tier”.

I agree with you 100%, i think it was the crazy hype that makes him "god tier" to most people. Certain scenarios make certain champs god tier, but I think Archangel is better, unless you are fighting an immune champ. He can deal with evade as well, the only evade Archangel can't counter is Ultron's evade

Mana_Pot

Degirmencioglu wrote: »

I’m still waiting to see what’s his utility is. Stopping someone from evading isn’t a selling point neither does it make a champ “god tier” if that’s the case then crossbones should be a god tier champ. He can ramp up damage much faster and better than iceman, he can stop evade, he can stop ability’s from triggering. It’s so many champs that can do more and have more utility than iceman but so many keep calling him this so called “god tier”.

I think with Iceman it's more about the ease with which he kills evade. Everyone else has to do a little work for it and worry about it wearing off. An awakened Ice man just starts with it. Nothing done. You don't even really have to worry much about it falling off because by the time the first one runs out, you should definitely have an L1 ready by then. Plus you can just go all out with Iceman and not worry about power management because of his armor. "Oh no I pushed him to his L3! Whatever." People can say that there is no god tier anymore. Just top, or A+, or Amazing tiers, but you know a rose by any other name is still a rose.

Grimmbear

Triple immunities, can't take more than 5% damage, good overall damage, stops all evasions, does coldsnap (DoT) almost everything AA can do Iceman can too, and vice versa. If damage is your only qualifier for best champ, you should reconsider his utility. And he doesn't regen if he doesn't take more than 5% dmg. In that case SL isn't god tier.

Afrid

Does it even matter. He is a great champ, one of the best.

KhanMedina

Very good, but no power drain or heals makes it hard to call god tier overall.
God tier AW attacker for sure, and a pain on defense. I wouldn't take into AQ unless I really needed an immunity champ though.

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NormanBJJ

F4k3_GaM3r wrote: »

The people who voted no are the ones who spun 5* Iceman crystal and got the true God tier... Hulkbuster

The people that voted "No" are Anonymous2k fanboys lol

CYNDRDBODY

Was one of the most anticpated 5 * reruns in the game so far cause of how good he is. Good AQ, good war champ, great questing champ, can take more than ten sp3's to the face, cold snap, stops evade, has ice armor, can run suicides no damage except recoil, frost bite charges that get enhanced if you time it right with sp 2. Might as well be Zues. Can only lose 5% damage from a sp 3 with ice armor active from ANY CHAMP in any game mode and scratch him. GOD TIER!

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TheBaldAvenger

Not just in God tier but he is top of god tier.

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TheBaldAvenger

Foxhero007 wrote: »

there is no such thing as god tier, it dos not exist. he no better or worst then Spider-Gwen, it all hype from the top player that have him as a 4 and/or 5 star. i got him as a 3 star but wont use him in my team when i got someone better and stronger that i can use. and for those that keep saying god tier dos exist then Joe Fixit is a god tier and is better then Ice-Man.

I have no words

DNA3000

Degirmencioglu wrote: »

I’m still waiting to see what’s his utility is. Stopping someone from evading isn’t a selling point neither does it make a champ “god tier” if that’s the case then crossbones should be a god tier champ. He can ramp up damage much faster and better than iceman, he can stop evade, he can stop ability’s from triggering. It’s so many champs that can do more and have more utility than iceman but so many keep calling him this so called “god tier”.

When awakened Iceman applies coldsnap right at the start of the fight. So the target is taking damage immediately and also cannot evade. Lots of things "can" stop evade. Unawakened Iceman "can" stop evade. Awakened Iceman 100% stops evade at the start of the fight. You just have to reapply special 1 periodically to keep it suppressed, which is much easier if the target isn't actually evading.

Separate from that, Iceman can push power gain champs to special three with relative impunity as long as he has ice armor up which reapplies periodically: it reduces all single attacks to a max of 5% damage. Alternately ice armor also breaks stuns.

On top of that, Iceman is triple immune to poison, bleed, and incinerate. Not only does this make him immune to those effects from other champs, it also means he can run poison and bleed paths in AQ and it also means he takes zero damage from suicide masteries.

Although his damage is not among the highest, he does have the advantage of his damage not relying on effects that opponents can be immune to, and frostbite+detonation makes his damage viable as a primary attacker.

Overall he is a very good defender, a very good attacker, and has very few weaknesses or bad matchups. While there are some champions that are better at Iceman at one or two things, there aren't many champions that are as consistently good almost everywhere.

Crossbones is actually considered a very good champ. What stops him from being consistently considered a top tier champ is that he feeds mystic dispersion and he's more one-dimensional. Because his damage output relies heavily on spamming attacks, he is less useful in fights where power control is important. He can get into special three trouble. Baiting specials interferes with his own damage output, whereas baiting specials benefits Iceman who gains a lot from buying time to reform ice armor.

Cantstopwontstop

I believe this really depends on your concept of what "god tier" actually is. For instance I voted no because I believe god tier should apply to champs who are multifaceted for instance, scarlet witch she can debuff applying power lock, power steal, apply an attack debuff, stun, poison and then on top of that she can apply stackable buffs to herself being regen, fury, cruelty, armor up, power floods... to me that's a true god tier champion. Another example would be someone like say wolverine who's regen heals him so much and so often that you can literally clear an entire AQ map 5 lane(depending on your lane) without losing any health whatsoever. Yes iceman's ice armor is a great utility but is it really worthy of "god tier" in my opinion no.... is his ability to shut down evade considered god tier considering only 4-5 champs have a passive evade none of which are seen anywhere besides war or event/story quests again not in my opinion.

UnsaferBinkie7

Wolverine isn't even god tier at this point. Very useful regen, but eh.

DNA3000

Cantstopwontstop wrote: »

I believe this really depends on your concept of what "god tier" actually is. For instance I voted no because I believe god tier should apply to champs who are multifaceted for instance, scarlet witch she can debuff applying power lock, power steal, apply an attack debuff, stun, poison and then on top of that she can apply stackable buffs to herself being regen, fury, cruelty, armor up, power floods... to me that's a true god tier champion. Another example would be someone like say wolverine who's regen heals him so much and so often that you can literally clear an entire AQ map 5 lane(depending on your lane) without losing any health whatsoever. Yes iceman's ice armor is a great utility but is it really worthy of "god tier" in my opinion no.... is his ability to shut down evade considered god tier considering only 4-5 champs have a passive evade none of which are seen anywhere besides war or event/story quests again not in my opinion.

I think a lot of people seem to be of the opinion that people like Iceman because of his ability to nullify Evade only. That's actually not his only advantage.

The idea of being "multifaceted" is what I believe most people who value Iceman are applying to him, but instead of applying it to the effects he can generate they apply it to the kinds of fights he is good in: looking less at the "how" and more at the "what." As you point out, Wolverine's high healing means he can clear a Map 5 lane, but it depends on which lane. He is much less good at clearing poison or bleed lanes, especially with heal block. Iceman is generally good in all Map 5 lanes. He is good in poison or bleed lanes. Heal block doesn't seriously affect him. He has the class advantage against the immune lane (which is skill). And against OG vision he can simply push him to special three and mitigate the SP3 with Ice armor.

The only nodes Iceman is not particularly good at fighting are nodes like Electro, Magik, and Yellowjacket. But the champions that are good against those nodes tend to be less good at a larger number of other nodes. The only champion I think is a better path runner than Iceman on Map 5 is OG vision, and you can only get him as a 4* champion (so far).

You say you believe "god tier" champs should be multifaceted, but you actually implicitly state two different criteria for god tier: either be really good at many things or be especially great at one thing - which your Wolverine example is. I would tend to agree in general, but even though I love Wolverine (he was my first 5/50) I don't quite consider him top tier because the one thing he is really good at is too easily taken away. Compare Star Lord and Wolverine. Star Lord can stack a huge amount of offense with long combos, and Wolverine can heal a huge amount of damage through his stackable regen. But heal block is a bit too common of an effect, and the heal is also random and sometimes fails to happen at a critical moment. Star Lord's attack buff can't be blocked and is 100% deterministic. So basically Star Lord gets to use his attack benefit everywhere (so long as you have the skill to stack it) while Wolverine cannot use his heal everywhere, and it isn't unfortunately a rare occurrence. To me that makes a difference: if you're going to be considered top tier based on being the best at one thing, that one thing needs to be useful an extremely high percentage of the time in my opinion.

Sky_kitty

He has 3* iceman so he is a real expert in iceman