Is Iceman God tier ?
Vossler77
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Is Iceman God tier ? 316 votes
Yes
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197 votes
No
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46 votes
He's a human popsicle of course he's a god.
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Great yes, gdlk no. I don't think there are any god tiers any more, just A+
He fight similar like Mordo though.
I agree with you 100%, i think it was the crazy hype that makes him "god tier" to most people. Certain scenarios make certain champs god tier, but I think Archangel is better, unless you are fighting an immune champ. He can deal with evade as well, the only evade Archangel can't counter is Ultron's evade
I think with Iceman it's more about the ease with which he kills evade. Everyone else has to do a little work for it and worry about it wearing off. An awakened Ice man just starts with it. Nothing done. You don't even really have to worry much about it falling off because by the time the first one runs out, you should definitely have an L1 ready by then. Plus you can just go all out with Iceman and not worry about power management because of his armor. "Oh no I pushed him to his L3! Whatever." People can say that there is no god tier anymore. Just top, or A+, or Amazing tiers, but you know a rose by any other name is still a rose.
God tier AW attacker for sure, and a pain on defense. I wouldn't take into AQ unless I really needed an immunity champ though.
The people that voted "No" are Anonymous2k fanboys lol
I have no words
When awakened Iceman applies coldsnap right at the start of the fight. So the target is taking damage immediately and also cannot evade. Lots of things "can" stop evade. Unawakened Iceman "can" stop evade. Awakened Iceman 100% stops evade at the start of the fight. You just have to reapply special 1 periodically to keep it suppressed, which is much easier if the target isn't actually evading.
Separate from that, Iceman can push power gain champs to special three with relative impunity as long as he has ice armor up which reapplies periodically: it reduces all single attacks to a max of 5% damage. Alternately ice armor also breaks stuns.
On top of that, Iceman is triple immune to poison, bleed, and incinerate. Not only does this make him immune to those effects from other champs, it also means he can run poison and bleed paths in AQ and it also means he takes zero damage from suicide masteries.
Although his damage is not among the highest, he does have the advantage of his damage not relying on effects that opponents can be immune to, and frostbite+detonation makes his damage viable as a primary attacker.
Overall he is a very good defender, a very good attacker, and has very few weaknesses or bad matchups. While there are some champions that are better at Iceman at one or two things, there aren't many champions that are as consistently good almost everywhere.
Crossbones is actually considered a very good champ. What stops him from being consistently considered a top tier champ is that he feeds mystic dispersion and he's more one-dimensional. Because his damage output relies heavily on spamming attacks, he is less useful in fights where power control is important. He can get into special three trouble. Baiting specials interferes with his own damage output, whereas baiting specials benefits Iceman who gains a lot from buying time to reform ice armor.
I think a lot of people seem to be of the opinion that people like Iceman because of his ability to nullify Evade only. That's actually not his only advantage.
The idea of being "multifaceted" is what I believe most people who value Iceman are applying to him, but instead of applying it to the effects he can generate they apply it to the kinds of fights he is good in: looking less at the "how" and more at the "what." As you point out, Wolverine's high healing means he can clear a Map 5 lane, but it depends on which lane. He is much less good at clearing poison or bleed lanes, especially with heal block. Iceman is generally good in all Map 5 lanes. He is good in poison or bleed lanes. Heal block doesn't seriously affect him. He has the class advantage against the immune lane (which is skill). And against OG vision he can simply push him to special three and mitigate the SP3 with Ice armor.
The only nodes Iceman is not particularly good at fighting are nodes like Electro, Magik, and Yellowjacket. But the champions that are good against those nodes tend to be less good at a larger number of other nodes. The only champion I think is a better path runner than Iceman on Map 5 is OG vision, and you can only get him as a 4* champion (so far).
You say you believe "god tier" champs should be multifaceted, but you actually implicitly state two different criteria for god tier: either be really good at many things or be especially great at one thing - which your Wolverine example is. I would tend to agree in general, but even though I love Wolverine (he was my first 5/50) I don't quite consider him top tier because the one thing he is really good at is too easily taken away. Compare Star Lord and Wolverine. Star Lord can stack a huge amount of offense with long combos, and Wolverine can heal a huge amount of damage through his stackable regen. But heal block is a bit too common of an effect, and the heal is also random and sometimes fails to happen at a critical moment. Star Lord's attack buff can't be blocked and is 100% deterministic. So basically Star Lord gets to use his attack benefit everywhere (so long as you have the skill to stack it) while Wolverine cannot use his heal everywhere, and it isn't unfortunately a rare occurrence. To me that makes a difference: if you're going to be considered top tier based on being the best at one thing, that one thing needs to be useful an extremely high percentage of the time in my opinion.