When will 5 star shards actually become more available?

So far the only increased availability is through offers and spending. When will they become more available for players who don’t want to sell their house and kids to pay for offers?

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Iksdjvan

So just a reminder, over the last 4 months they have given out 10k (one full 5* crystal) in the login calenders...

GroundedWisdom

Iksdjvan wrote: »

So just a reminder, over the last 4 months they have given out 10k (one full 5* crystal) in the login calenders...

They also gave a GMC which some have undoubtedly pulled a 5* from.

Nikskini

5* shards will be more available when 6* champs release so we got to wait till next year

GroundedWisdom

I think that some saw the announcement about 5* Shards being more available and expected a fuller Roster to gain 6* Shards. While we could all be hopeful, 6*s will be more rare than that at first. They won't be circulating that much in the beginning.

Flazinator

So you need 26 dupes I believe it is of 5 stars to gain 1 6 star. How many years do u think it will take to dupe 26 5 stars at the current amount of 5 star shards the average player gets? This is what I’m getting at. Most players don’t even have 15 or more 5 stars yet.

GroundedWisdom

There will be more added no doubt. I'm just not convinced everyone will have them when they are released. They will be rare at first.

Acanthus

Flazinator wrote: »

So you need 26 dupes I believe it is of 5 stars to gain 1 6 star. How many years do u think it will take to dupe 26 5 stars at the current amount of 5 star shards the average player gets? This is what I’m getting at. Most players don’t even have 15 or more 5 stars yet.

It's 37

Flazinator

37 wow! Even more crazy

DrZola

A few observations:

First, the game team has a problem with the English language. Always has and always will. That doesn’t make them liars, just very poor at communicating (which unfortunately is a key part of their job).

Second, Kabam’s statements about increased 5* availability were completely self-serving. Players were imploding over the decision to throw 6-stars into the game out of left field; claims of increased availability were thrown out to tamp down some of the outrage, which it did.

Third, the statement that “shards are already starting to show up in the log-in calendar rewards” is absolutely a statement that implies an ongoing availability. Personally, I don’t care whether they are giving out 5* shards every time I turn the game on or not; but that statement, even in a stand alone context, was meant to plant the seed that shards would be a part of giveaway rewards going forward. Why else suggest that something is “starting” if it just ends immediately? I’m “starting” to think Kabam didn’t really mean what they said about 5* availability.

Finally, most of us are suckers for believing any puffery from the game team. This follows the usual course: promise of something good, something good gets provided with strings attached (e.g., requires spend, isn’t exactly what was promised, etc.), people argue semantics on the forums, something good gets a little easier to obtain, and ultimately something good becomes generally available without inordinate effort, albeit long after the excitement about something good has turned into bile.

Have at it.

Dr. Zola

GroundedWisdom

DrZola wrote: »

A few observations:

First, the game team has a problem with the English language. Always has and always will. That doesn’t make them liars, just very poor at communicating (which unfortunately is a key part of their job).

Second, Kabam’s statements about increased 5* availability were completely self-serving. Players were imploding over the decision to throw 6-stars into the game out of left field; claims of increased availability were thrown out to tamp down some of the outrage, which it did.

Third, the statement that “shards are already starting to show up in the log-in calendar rewards” is absolutely a statement that implies an ongoing availability. Personally, I don’t care whether they are giving out 5* shards every time I turn the game on or not; but that statement, even in a stand alone context, was meant to plant the seed that shards would be a part of giveaway rewards going forward. Why else suggest that something is “starting” if it just ends immediately? I’m “starting” to think Kabam didn’t really mean what they said about 5* availability.

Finally, most of us are suckers for believing any puffery from the game team. This follows the usual course: promise of something good, something good gets provided with strings attached (e.g., requires spend, isn’t exactly what was promised, etc.), people argue semantics on the forums, something good gets a little easier to obtain, and ultimately something good becomes generally available without inordinate effort, albeit long after the excitement about something good has turned into bile.

Have at it.

Dr. Zola

You misquoted. "shards are now available through Calendar Rewards"
Now being the operative word. Not implying that they will be henceforth. They never comment on upcoming Calendars, unless it is a Special Event, or as with the case of the Grandmaster Calendar, which is an on-going occurrence. Reason being, the Calendar changes.

R4GE

I_am_Groot wrote: »

ARMAGEDDON999 wrote: »

In case u didn't noticed there is a lot of 5* shards offer going on. They said more 5* shards will be available, not that it will be from quest.

But they did said it (already was) would be at least from the Calendar.

R4GE wrote: »

I wouldn't assume an increase in shards would mean you're gonna have them given to you for free in monthly calendars.

Its hard to tell, but it seems like a good portion of the users on the forums heard "increased shards" and assumed they would get 1 or 2 5* champs a month quickly and have shards given to them for free or be able to earn them in very easy content.

Don't care what you assume, they said it.

If you don't care, don't quote. But what you should care about is the fact that I can read while you struggle with it.

You misquoted me and you're argument was Kabam's comment that you also misquoted by taking it out of context.
As far as you misquoting me: I didn't assume anything. I clearly said "I WOULDN'T assume." I wouldn't assume to see them in every calendar because they never said they would be in every calendar.

I would touch on the rest in regards to Kabams comment but it appears Grounded and DNA already nailed that.

DrZola

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DrZola wrote: »

A few observations:

First, the game team has a problem with the English language. Always has and always will. That doesn’t make them liars, just very poor at communicating (which unfortunately is a key part of their job).

Second, Kabam’s statements about increased 5* availability were completely self-serving. Players were imploding over the decision to throw 6-stars into the game out of left field; claims of increased availability were thrown out to tamp down some of the outrage, which it did.

Third, the statement that “shards are already starting to show up in the log-in calendar rewards” is absolutely a statement that implies an ongoing availability. Personally, I don’t care whether they are giving out 5* shards every time I turn the game on or not; but that statement, even in a stand alone context, was meant to plant the seed that shards would be a part of giveaway rewards going forward. Why else suggest that something is “starting” if it just ends immediately? I’m “starting” to think Kabam didn’t really mean what they said about 5* availability.

Finally, most of us are suckers for believing any puffery from the game team. This follows the usual course: promise of something good, something good gets provided with strings attached (e.g., requires spend, isn’t exactly what was promised, etc.), people argue semantics on the forums, something good gets a little easier to obtain, and ultimately something good becomes generally available without inordinate effort, albeit long after the excitement about something good has turned into bile.

Have at it.

Dr. Zola

You misquoted. "shards are now available through Calendar Rewards"
Now being the operative word. Not implying that they will be henceforth. They never comment on upcoming Calendars, unless it is a Special Event, or as with the case of the Grandmaster Calendar, which is an on-going occurrence. Reason being, the Calendar changes.

That isn’t the quote I was quoting. But since you mentioned it, I’ve noticed that “Karnak, Rogue, Quake, Phoenix, Ghost Rider and Dr. Voodoo can now be obtained from the 5-star crystal.” “Now” being the operative word I suppose?

I’m now waiting on a response to tell me that “now” doesn’t mean “now” when I use it like that.

Dr. Zola

GroundedWisdom

DrZola wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DrZola wrote: »

A few observations:

First, the game team has a problem with the English language. Always has and always will. That doesn’t make them liars, just very poor at communicating (which unfortunately is a key part of their job).

Second, Kabam’s statements about increased 5* availability were completely self-serving. Players were imploding over the decision to throw 6-stars into the game out of left field; claims of increased availability were thrown out to tamp down some of the outrage, which it did.

Third, the statement that “shards are already starting to show up in the log-in calendar rewards” is absolutely a statement that implies an ongoing availability. Personally, I don’t care whether they are giving out 5* shards every time I turn the game on or not; but that statement, even in a stand alone context, was meant to plant the seed that shards would be a part of giveaway rewards going forward. Why else suggest that something is “starting” if it just ends immediately? I’m “starting” to think Kabam didn’t really mean what they said about 5* availability.

Finally, most of us are suckers for believing any puffery from the game team. This follows the usual course: promise of something good, something good gets provided with strings attached (e.g., requires spend, isn’t exactly what was promised, etc.), people argue semantics on the forums, something good gets a little easier to obtain, and ultimately something good becomes generally available without inordinate effort, albeit long after the excitement about something good has turned into bile.

Have at it.

Dr. Zola

You misquoted. "shards are now available through Calendar Rewards"
Now being the operative word. Not implying that they will be henceforth. They never comment on upcoming Calendars, unless it is a Special Event, or as with the case of the Grandmaster Calendar, which is an on-going occurrence. Reason being, the Calendar changes.

That isn’t the quote I was quoting. But since you mentioned it, I’ve noticed that “Karnak, Rogue, Quake, Phoenix, Ghost Rider and Dr. Voodoo can now be obtained from the 5-star crystal.” “Now” being the operative word I suppose?

I’m now waiting on a response to tell me that “now” doesn’t mean “now” when I use it like that.

Dr. Zola

No. I will however, point out that the idea that the statement was intended to plant the seed that Shards would be part of the giveaway going forward, is conjecture. It was intended to state that at that time, the Shards were in the Calendar.

DrZola

@GroundedWisdom And you don’t see conjecture in your own statement that “it was intended to state that at that time, the Shards were in the calendar”? And you think the player base needed to be reminded that 5* shards were in the calendar, especially the ones that are on the forums?

That may be the game team explantion after the fact, but, apart from being involved in their discussions “then” (and by that I literally mean at the time and place the decision to put the shards in the calendar was discussed and made), you’re either just guessing or subscribing blindly to their stated rationale.

That’s fine if you want to do that—but it hardly qualifies you to answer player concerns with the certainty you claim to have.

Dr. Zola

Reina

IKR it’s super annoying, I’m at 8250 shards for 5 star.

GroundedWisdom

DrZola wrote: »

@GroundedWisdom And you don’t see conjecture in your own statement that “it was intended to state that at that time, the Shards were in the calendar”? And you think the player base needed to be reminded that 5* shards were in the calendar, especially the ones that are on the forums?

That may be the game team explantion after the fact, but, apart from being involved in their discussions “then” (and by that I literally mean at the time and place the decision to put the shards in the calendar was discussed and made), you’re either just guessing or subscribing blindly to their stated rationale.

That’s fine if you want to do that—but it hardly qualifies you to answer player concerns with the certainty you claim to have.

Dr. Zola

My statement was the literal meaning of what was stated. That is not conjecture. Conjecture would be forming an opinion or conclusion on the basis of incomplete information. There is no such conclusion in my statement. The statement said that Shards were in the Calendar at that time. They have yet to mention the contents of upcoming Monthly Calendars. They certainly wouldn't do it elusively when making clarifying statements. If they had, the statement would be along the lines of "From now on....". They never said they would be in the Calendar from now on. What we have is high expectations because 6*s are being introduced and everyone wants to develop a Roster for them.

abn86

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DrZola wrote: »

@GroundedWisdom And you don’t see conjecture in your own statement that “it was intended to state that at that time, the Shards were in the calendar”? And you think the player base needed to be reminded that 5* shards were in the calendar, especially the ones that are on the forums?

That may be the game team explantion after the fact, but, apart from being involved in their discussions “then” (and by that I literally mean at the time and place the decision to put the shards in the calendar was discussed and made), you’re either just guessing or subscribing blindly to their stated rationale.

That’s fine if you want to do that—but it hardly qualifies you to answer player concerns with the certainty you claim to have.

Dr. Zola

My statement was the literal meaning of what was stated. That is not conjecture. Conjecture would be forming an opinion or conclusion on the basis of incomplete information. There is no such conclusion in my statement. The statement said that Shards were in the Calendar at that time. They have yet to mention the contents of upcoming Monthly Calendars. They certainly wouldn't do it elusively when making clarifying statements. If they had, the statement would be along the lines of "From now on....". They never said they would be in the Calendar from now on. What we have is high expectations because 6*s are being introduced and everyone wants to develop a Roster for them.

I don't really understand why you're so vehement about it. You're saying with no uncertainty that they meant at THAT moment, 5* shards were available in the monthly calendar. How do you not see how big a leap you made??

The quote that I read said that 5-star shards are now available in Calendar Rewards. You're focused on "now". That's fine. However, if you truly believe that they meant that it was only for that month, why not specify that in the statement? How hard is it to add the following phrase into that statement: 5-star shards are available in this month's Calendar Rewards?

I took out "now" and added "this month's" and it gave an entirely different statement and doesn't lead to a bunch of people misinterpreting it. But sure, it's much easier to see that the statement that they put out is meant for us to deduce that now available in Calendar Rewards means currently available in this month's Calendar Rewards. C'mon man - just lay down the cape on this one.

GroundedWisdom

The statement was what it was. Now meaning, the Shards were then in the Calendar. People added the rest of the interpretation. It did not imply that they would be in the Calendar form then on. Making them more available doesn't mean they're giving them away every month.

DrZola

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DrZola wrote: »

@GroundedWisdom And you don’t see conjecture in your own statement that “it was intended to state that at that time, the Shards were in the calendar”? And you think the player base needed to be reminded that 5* shards were in the calendar, especially the ones that are on the forums?

That may be the game team explantion after the fact, but, apart from being involved in their discussions “then” (and by that I literally mean at the time and place the decision to put the shards in the calendar was discussed and made), you’re either just guessing or subscribing blindly to their stated rationale.

That’s fine if you want to do that—but it hardly qualifies you to answer player concerns with the certainty you claim to have.

Dr. Zola

My statement was the literal meaning of what was stated. That is not conjecture. Conjecture would be forming an opinion or conclusion on the basis of incomplete information. There is no such conclusion in my statement. The statement said that Shards were in the Calendar at that time. They have yet to mention the contents of upcoming Monthly Calendars. They certainly wouldn't do it elusively when making clarifying statements. If they had, the statement would be along the lines of "From now on....". They never said they would be in the Calendar from now on. What we have is high expectations because 6*s are being introduced and everyone wants to develop a Roster for them.

Now, now Grounded...

Actually, no. Your statement was the most restrictive interpretation of what was stated. That doesn’t mean it was the literal or the correct meaning. Just as with my example that certain champs “can now be obtained from the 5-star crystal,” there can be more than just a single restrictive interpretation—in fact, the implication of that statement is that they are now obtainable and will continue to be obtainable (unless otherwise noted) from the 5* crystal.

Now, your interpretation was that “now” only meant “at that time.” Others have different and equally valid readings of “now.” The new Blade Runner movie is “now showing”; the latest Spider-Man movie is “now available” on DVD. Those are not single, instant-in-time, static occurrences referred to by those two statements—if so, how dumb would that be? @abn86 lays it out nicely for you as well in the post above.

Now it is time to move on. If you want to mull it over and come back to this thread now and then to comment, go ahead—I won’t stop you because I’m done with English lessons for now.

Dr. Zola

GroundedWisdom

You're arguing semantics and not basing it on the evidence. The fact is they have never made reference to a Calendar before it is released. The evidence is that there are not Shards in every Calendar. The evidence is that the statement was made at the time the Shards were in the Calendar. The evidence is that there was no reference in the comment about future Calendars. My interpretation is exactly what was stated. Without the conjecture of future Calendars, or suspected implications. I'm sorry, but the literal meaning is exactly what is implied.

R4GE

It was an open statement that left half assuming it meant one thing and the other half assuming it meant something else.
When I hear "now playing," "now available," and "now showing," I know none of these mean they are permanent and could be for a limited time only.
When I see a movie is now playing I check to see how many weeks or months its available or a possible future rerun. When I hear now available I check to see if its a limited time only, limited supply, temporary, etc.

With Miikes statement its clear the question should have been asked if it was for that month, every month, or random months.