So this is how Rank 4 cats are introduced?

I don't even know what to say to this

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It's not enough to form a whole one so I wouldn't worry about R4s yet lol. Not even close. Its just to grab some money right now
Everyone with common sense understands this. But I don't even want to see r4 6 stars introduced a year from now. The content is still centered around 5 stars, Most thronebreaks don't even have enough r3's for a starting 5.

I don't know if that's true. If it was all centered around 5*'s then you'd have a problem with R3's being available right now.

Onmix

I don't even know what to say to this
I do. Well done.

This game is supported by the ~3% that spend, and of that tiny percentage there's a lot of little spenders and a few big spenders. Most of us play for free. Of the spenders, most spend very little. This game is very progressive with taxing players: most pay nothing, the richest pay a lot. Given how many people get to play this game for free, and how many get to play this game spending nominally, it works rather well.

But you have to sell something people want to buy. You can sell small stuff to the small fish. You have to sell big stuff to the big fish. What do you sell to the whales who already have everything? More?

There's a lot of actual value in the Spring Cleaning store. Stuff that is going to have an immediate impact on every player's progress, even the F2P players will get a boost from the free and arena-grindable coins. And some of the whales will also get a big boost from the bigger offers. But the whales who have everything and for whom one more 6* Nexus might not be all that exciting? Those whales that spend on the R4 fragments are getting something they want: a shot at eventually having an advantage in the R4 race coming up. Meanwhile, they are giving up the opportunity to get some additional advantage their spending would otherwise provide. They are trading small immediate value for future excitement that literally has zero impact on the game now.

In other words, Kabam makes money off of the biggest spenders, while giving them exactly nothing today, and only a chance at something tomorrow. The advantage of those fragments is only theoretical: until you see how all future fragments get released, there's no way to even gauge what that advantage is.

For example, theoretically speaking if Act 7 contained nothing but whole catalysts (not saying that will happen, just speculating) then those fragments will *not* provide any advantage towards getting the first R4. They would likely be an advantage to getting the second, or the third, as more fragments become available. It doesn't have to be whole cats either: they can give away chunks of them for which having those fragments aren't enough to get there first.

The point is, we know what they are giving up in opportunity cost to pick up those fragments. We have no idea what advantage they are buying in reality, nor when that advantage will actually arrive. But whatever that advantage is, the one thing we do know is that it will depreciate rapidly.

it is difficult to think of a better thing to sell to such people, that they would actually want to buy. Keep in mind: if they are buying those fragments, look at what they are passing up in the Spring Cleaning store to get it. You'd have to give them *even more* than anything else the Spring Cleaning store contains to entice them as much as those fragments do, for the people who choose to buy it.

Yeah, it sucks that spenders might get there first, or have some other advantage past that point. In a perfect world spenders would only get what everyone else can also get. But the only way to arrive at that perfect world would be for all the spenders to be idiots, and we don't live in that world.

I get your point about spending. I don’t mind it very much that it’s behind a paywall.

But it does feel too early. And it might be because R3’s came very very fast.
I can’t believe how fast some of my ally mates have acquired R3s.

So. If they need to keep giving the top whales something it could’ve have been T5CC. They just needed to give it out in lesser quantities.

OGAvenger

The biggest problem with putting these in these deals is they’ve now guaranteed there will be more on July 4th. Let’s hope it’s not too much..

TheTalents

It's not enough to form a whole one so I wouldn't worry about R4s yet lol. Not even close. Its just to grab some money right now
Everyone with common sense understands this. But I don't even want to see r4 6 stars introduced a year from now. The content is still centered around 5 stars, Most thronebreaks don't even have enough r3's for a starting 5.
I don't know if that's true. If it was all centered around 5*'s then you'd have a problem with R3's being available right now.

Yeah I do, that's why I asked Kabam for harder content in numerous threads that you're in. So you just proved my point. I did Abyss with all 5 stars outside of Aegon and Aegon can easily do it as a 5 star. Did all of act 6 with 5 stars and r2 6 stars so what isn't centered around 5 stars other than AW?

H3t3r

It's not enough to form a whole one so I wouldn't worry about R4s yet lol. Not even close. Its just to grab some money right now
Everyone with common sense understands this. But I don't even want to see r4 6 stars introduced a year from now. The content is still centered around 5 stars, Most thronebreaks don't even have enough r3's for a starting 5.
I don't know if that's true. If it was all centered around 5*'s then you'd have a problem with R3's being available right now.
Yeah I do, that's why I asked Kabam for harder content in numerous threads that you're in. So you just proved my point. I did Abyss with all 5 stars outside of Aegon and Aegon can easily do it as a 5 star. Did all of act 6 with 5 stars and r2 6 stars so what isn't centered around 5 stars other than AW?

Prestige. But thats only for a very very small group on players.

Daddrieda

Way too early... I think the reason behind of 6* r3, my own theory, is that the endgame/veteran players is clearing the content too quick instead of letting it be for some time so I guess, another theory of mine, that kabam is forced to make content that have ridiculous HP and attack numbers... like HP: 1000000000000 and ATK :1000000

Pulyaman

I don't get it. You need 3 T6B and 3 T3A to rank to R4. You can only get 14k T6 frags and like 11k T3A. It takes 57k frags to form a T6B and 45k frags to form a T3a.

We're still a long way off from R4's.
You are right, we are a long way from r4. The problem many have is the way these were introduced. It would have been better in the story content first like t5cc.
Could've sworn T5cc was introduced through offers before being in content.

T5cc was introduced along with act 6. 1 in very small amounts. What was introduced in gifting event was t5cc selector in 2019 gifting event which resulted in so much drama. So, t5cc was first introduced in content.

Demonzfyre

It's not enough to form a whole one so I wouldn't worry about R4s yet lol. Not even close. Its just to grab some money right now
Everyone with common sense understands this. But I don't even want to see r4 6 stars introduced a year from now. The content is still centered around 5 stars, Most thronebreaks don't even have enough r3's for a starting 5.
I don't know if that's true. If it was all centered around 5*'s then you'd have a problem with R3's being available right now.
Yeah I do, that's why I asked Kabam for harder content in numerous threads that you're in. So you just proved my point. I did Abyss with all 5 stars outside of Aegon and Aegon can easily do it as a 5 star. Did all of act 6 with 5 stars and r2 6 stars so what isn't centered around 5 stars other than AW?

There's a difference in using 5*s for the content vs the content being centered around 5*'s.

magnus_xix

T5CC was introduced 2 years ago. How is that too early?

TheTalents

It's not enough to form a whole one so I wouldn't worry about R4s yet lol. Not even close. Its just to grab some money right now
Everyone with common sense understands this. But I don't even want to see r4 6 stars introduced a year from now. The content is still centered around 5 stars, Most thronebreaks don't even have enough r3's for a starting 5.
I don't know if that's true. If it was all centered around 5*'s then you'd have a problem with R3's being available right now.
Yeah I do, that's why I asked Kabam for harder content in numerous threads that you're in. So you just proved my point. I did Abyss with all 5 stars outside of Aegon and Aegon can easily do it as a 5 star. Did all of act 6 with 5 stars and r2 6 stars so what isn't centered around 5 stars other than AW?
There's a difference in using 5*s for the content vs the content being centered around 5*'s.

No there's not. It would be illogical to do act 6.2-6.4 with any 4 stars outside of synergy. Try again.

Demonzfyre

It's not enough to form a whole one so I wouldn't worry about R4s yet lol. Not even close. Its just to grab some money right now
Everyone with common sense understands this. But I don't even want to see r4 6 stars introduced a year from now. The content is still centered around 5 stars, Most thronebreaks don't even have enough r3's for a starting 5.
I don't know if that's true. If it was all centered around 5*'s then you'd have a problem with R3's being available right now.
Yeah I do, that's why I asked Kabam for harder content in numerous threads that you're in. So you just proved my point. I did Abyss with all 5 stars outside of Aegon and Aegon can easily do it as a 5 star. Did all of act 6 with 5 stars and r2 6 stars so what isn't centered around 5 stars other than AW?
There's a difference in using 5*s for the content vs the content being centered around 5*'s.
No there's not. It would be illogical to do act 6.2-6.4 with any 4 stars outside of synergy. Try again.

Cool. So Cav difficulty is centered around 4*'s since we can successfully use them in that content and Abyss is centered around 2*'s since you can use them to solo champions in that content. Got it.

TheTalents

It's not enough to form a whole one so I wouldn't worry about R4s yet lol. Not even close. Its just to grab some money right now
Everyone with common sense understands this. But I don't even want to see r4 6 stars introduced a year from now. The content is still centered around 5 stars, Most thronebreaks don't even have enough r3's for a starting 5.
I don't know if that's true. If it was all centered around 5*'s then you'd have a problem with R3's being available right now.
Yeah I do, that's why I asked Kabam for harder content in numerous threads that you're in. So you just proved my point. I did Abyss with all 5 stars outside of Aegon and Aegon can easily do it as a 5 star. Did all of act 6 with 5 stars and r2 6 stars so what isn't centered around 5 stars other than AW?
There's a difference in using 5*s for the content vs the content being centered around 5*'s.
No there's not. It would be illogical to do act 6.2-6.4 with any 4 stars outside of synergy. Try again.
Cool. So Cav difficulty is centered around 4*'s since we can successfully use them in that content and Abyss is centered around 2*'s since you can use them to solo champions in that content. Got it.

You cannot do Abyss content with 2 stars what are you talking about? Because one fight can be done with shehulk vs Thing? You're not even using logic smh. I have a really hard time entertaining your responses when you turn in GW to prove a point. It is very unbecoming and you know better.

Demonzfyre

It's not enough to form a whole one so I wouldn't worry about R4s yet lol. Not even close. Its just to grab some money right now
Everyone with common sense understands this. But I don't even want to see r4 6 stars introduced a year from now. The content is still centered around 5 stars, Most thronebreaks don't even have enough r3's for a starting 5.
I don't know if that's true. If it was all centered around 5*'s then you'd have a problem with R3's being available right now.
Yeah I do, that's why I asked Kabam for harder content in numerous threads that you're in. So you just proved my point. I did Abyss with all 5 stars outside of Aegon and Aegon can easily do it as a 5 star. Did all of act 6 with 5 stars and r2 6 stars so what isn't centered around 5 stars other than AW?
There's a difference in using 5*s for the content vs the content being centered around 5*'s.
No there's not. It would be illogical to do act 6.2-6.4 with any 4 stars outside of synergy. Try again.
Cool. So Cav difficulty is centered around 4*'s since we can successfully use them in that content and Abyss is centered around 2*'s since you can use them to solo champions in that content. Got it.
You cannot do Abyss content with 2 stars what are you talking about? Because one fight can be done with shehulk vs Thing? You're not even using logic smh. I have a really hard time entertaining your responses when you turn in GW to prove a point. It is very unbecoming and you know better.

You're the one that said all content is centered around 5*'s because you did it with 5*'s. I'm just using your logic.

Seraphion

I don't understand why everyone is hating on this event.

For a bit of a grind (thronebreaker) you can get 16k 6* shards as f2p.

Am I going to buy anything? No. But if ppl are excited about a 1/15 R4 then why not?
This at least hypes the rewards for act 7.

And don't forget this time it will not be RNG based (rank up stuff is generic). So when you get enough for R4 you don't need a fitting class.

These R4 parts are 100% useless for now. So it doesn't matter if anyone buys them 🤷🏻‍♂️

TheTalents

It's not enough to form a whole one so I wouldn't worry about R4s yet lol. Not even close. Its just to grab some money right now
Everyone with common sense understands this. But I don't even want to see r4 6 stars introduced a year from now. The content is still centered around 5 stars, Most thronebreaks don't even have enough r3's for a starting 5.
I don't know if that's true. If it was all centered around 5*'s then you'd have a problem with R3's being available right now.
Yeah I do, that's why I asked Kabam for harder content in numerous threads that you're in. So you just proved my point. I did Abyss with all 5 stars outside of Aegon and Aegon can easily do it as a 5 star. Did all of act 6 with 5 stars and r2 6 stars so what isn't centered around 5 stars other than AW?
There's a difference in using 5*s for the content vs the content being centered around 5*'s.
No there's not. It would be illogical to do act 6.2-6.4 with any 4 stars outside of synergy. Try again.
Cool. So Cav difficulty is centered around 4*'s since we can successfully use them in that content and Abyss is centered around 2*'s since you can use them to solo champions in that content. Got it.
You cannot do Abyss content with 2 stars what are you talking about? Because one fight can be done with shehulk vs Thing? You're not even using logic smh. I have a really hard time entertaining your responses when you turn in GW to prove a point. It is very unbecoming and you know better.

You're the one that said all content is centered around 5*'s because you did it with 5*'s. I'm just using your logic.

No you're not. Your example used very specific fights which was illogical. You're grasping for straws. No content in this game is revolved around r3 6 stars hence why Kabam said they will be releasing hard content soon. If you don't understand that I simply can't help you.

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Demonzfyre

It's not enough to form a whole one so I wouldn't worry about R4s yet lol. Not even close. Its just to grab some money right now
Everyone with common sense understands this. But I don't even want to see r4 6 stars introduced a year from now. The content is still centered around 5 stars, Most thronebreaks don't even have enough r3's for a starting 5.
I don't know if that's true. If it was all centered around 5*'s then you'd have a problem with R3's being available right now.
Yeah I do, that's why I asked Kabam for harder content in numerous threads that you're in. So you just proved my point. I did Abyss with all 5 stars outside of Aegon and Aegon can easily do it as a 5 star. Did all of act 6 with 5 stars and r2 6 stars so what isn't centered around 5 stars other than AW?
There's a difference in using 5*s for the content vs the content being centered around 5*'s.
No there's not. It would be illogical to do act 6.2-6.4 with any 4 stars outside of synergy. Try again.
Cool. So Cav difficulty is centered around 4*'s since we can successfully use them in that content and Abyss is centered around 2*'s since you can use them to solo champions in that content. Got it.
You cannot do Abyss content with 2 stars what are you talking about? Because one fight can be done with shehulk vs Thing? You're not even using logic smh. I have a really hard time entertaining your responses when you turn in GW to prove a point. It is very unbecoming and you know better.

You're the one that said all content is centered around 5*'s because you did it with 5*'s. I'm just using your logic.
No you're not. Your example used very specific fights which was illogical. You're grasping for straws. No content in this game is revolved around r3 6 stars hence why Kabam said they will be releasing hard content soon. If you don't understand that I simply can't help you.

I agree that content does not revolve around R3 6*'s. It most certainly isn't centered around 5*'s. If it was act 7 wouldn't have the 6* booster and abyss wouldn't have the charges set up the way they are. Act 6, especially the first couple of chapters were centered around 5*'s but having the ability to rank up 6*'s to R2 was the goal for 6.3 and beyond.

5*'s are still viable in all content but doesn't mean all content is meant for them.

hungryhungrybbq

This "event" is just an additional version of july 4th/cyber monday, but only for p2w players.

Don't even care about the deals. But the event is disgusting, so it's better to get rid of it.
I really hope this doesn't become an annual thing

Free stuff is disgusting? Don't participate then? That's fine too. Don't claim them from the mail and don't do the arena. Don't get 15k 6 shards for free. Make a stand against the tyranny!! SMFH

*Smiles.. opens arms and looks up towards the sky as disagrees fall like rain*

Texas_11

The biggest spenders are at the top and they're absolutely stacked with R3s now, what else is going to entice someone with 20+ R3s to spend big? It's definitely way too early for the game overall but for the biggest spenders they've made t5cc ways too accessible so this was inevitable.

Agree, this doesn’t affect too many people. Especially when we are just now getting some breathing room on rank up choices

DNA3000

I get your point about spending. I don’t mind it very much that it’s behind a paywall.

But it does feel too early. And it might be because R3’s came very very fast.
I can’t believe how fast some of my ally mates have acquired R3s.

So. If they need to keep giving the top whales something it could’ve have been T5CC. They just needed to give it out in lesser quantities.

Some of us think it is too early. Some of us think it is long overdue. R4s still aren't possible, so it isn't too early yet. Some would rather spend on slivers of R4 progress rather than expanding their R3 rosters, so this is better for them. As compromises go, it isn't a bad one.

Onmix

I get your point about spending. I don’t mind it very much that it’s behind a paywall.

But it does feel too early. And it might be because R3’s came very very fast.
I can’t believe how fast some of my ally mates have acquired R3s.

So. If they need to keep giving the top whales something it could’ve have been T5CC. They just needed to give it out in lesser quantities.
Some of us think it is too early. Some of us think it is long overdue. R4s still aren't possible, so it isn't too early yet. Some would rather spend on slivers of R4 progress rather than expanding their R3 rosters, so this is better for them. As compromises go, it isn't a bad one.

I mean, it does depend on how fast they give us the remaining shards for a R4. But they really need to be careful in my opinion.

Creating a bigger imbalance between these two types of players might not be very healthy.

I get top spenders getting everything before me. But maybe them getting a R4 before I even get a single R3 to sig 200 could be too much?

Eb0ny-O-M4w

This "event" is just an additional version of july 4th/cyber monday, but only for p2w players.

Don't even care about the deals. But the event is disgusting, so it's better to get rid of it.
I really hope this doesn't become an annual thing
Free stuff is disgusting? Don't participate then? That's fine too. Don't claim them from the mail and don't do the arena. Don't get 15k 6 shards for free. Make a stand against the tyranny!! SMFH

*Smiles.. opens arms and looks up towards the sky as disagrees fall like rain*

It is 5% "free", and 95% P2W event.
That's what so disgusting about it. An "event" that was introduced with the only purpose of pleasing the one's who spend. And is not something minor as well. Damn, even the piggy bank is back to grab some more here and there.

At least on some other similar deals, like cyber monday or 4th july, the difference isn't as big as that. Is like 40% unit deals to 60% money deals.

Daddrieda

T5CC was introduced 2 years ago. How is that too early?

You’re right. I suppose it is an timeline feeling that it’s too soo. It could be said like “I just bought this phone two years ago and now there’s a new phone that is superior to this one??? Well too soon as this phone is doing what it’s doing”

Totally bad example here of many mores

DNA3000

I get your point about spending. I don’t mind it very much that it’s behind a paywall.

But it does feel too early. And it might be because R3’s came very very fast.
I can’t believe how fast some of my ally mates have acquired R3s.

So. If they need to keep giving the top whales something it could’ve have been T5CC. They just needed to give it out in lesser quantities.
Some of us think it is too early. Some of us think it is long overdue. R4s still aren't possible, so it isn't too early yet. Some would rather spend on slivers of R4 progress rather than expanding their R3 rosters, so this is better for them. As compromises go, it isn't a bad one.
I mean, it does depend on how fast they give us the remaining shards for a R4. But they really need to be careful in my opinion.

Creating a bigger imbalance between these two types of players might not be very healthy.

I get top spenders getting everything before me. But maybe them getting a R4 before I even get a single R3 to sig 200 could be too much?

I don't know; that will certainly be true for someone. I consider myself a "middle second tier player" - a Thronebreaker that has a decent 6* roster but hasn't fully explored everything yet. My highest sig 6* is 120 (Longshot). If I *wanted* to make a sig200 champ I could probably get there with my sig stones in inventory, but I have no specific desire to do so at the moment. Given where I am, my guess is there's probably some number between thousands and tens of thousands of players that have one R3 sig 200 at the moment. The fact that they sold the fragments in small numbers suggests to me that they will start rolling out other opportunities of similar magnitude, which would still mean the first R4 is a ways away - almost certainly not by J4, and more likely towards the end of the year. By then, that number will be higher.

I also think sig 200 is not the best gauge for this kind of thing, because few champs really benefit from pushing sig that high, so a roster can theoretically get extremely strong without having one (unless you're prestige-conscious). The better benchmark would probably be something closer to how many players have some quantity of R3s, something between five and fifteen perhaps (somewhere between having a full team of R3s and basically having the theoretical option to be using R3s for everything). When that number gets high enough relative to the percentage of players that is TB, that's more likely to start the clock to R4.

I suspect we're not there yet, but I also suspect the devs are trickling R4 frags out slowly so as not to repeat the much quickly jump to R3 that occurred with T5CC.

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Demonzfyre

Imagine if 7.2 rewards don’t contain serious amounts of t3a and t6bc fragments.
I can already see an early 2020 similar outrage from the community, and they will be totally right.
Kabam is playing with fire, by tying the next progress level straight to spending, instead of content.

This is just absurd. What do you mean "serious amounts of T6B and T3A"? Today's offers have a very small piece to what it would take to take 1 champ to R4. July 4th is the next big holiday and I assume some frags will be there but still nowhere near enough to rank anyone. If 7.2 has frags that's fine but we have to form 3 of each plus have 3 T5cc in order to take a champ to R4.

I don't think anyone is going to be upset if there is sprinkles of those two resources in 7.2. I'm even willing to bet we won't be able to R4 someone until 2022.

DNA3000

This "event" is just an additional version of july 4th/cyber monday, but only for p2w players.

Don't even care about the deals. But the event is disgusting, so it's better to get rid of it.
I really hope this doesn't become an annual thing
Free stuff is disgusting? Don't participate then? That's fine too. Don't claim them from the mail and don't do the arena. Don't get 15k 6 shards for free. Make a stand against the tyranny!! SMFH

*Smiles.. opens arms and looks up towards the sky as disagrees fall like rain*
It is 5% "free", and 95% P2W event.
That's what so disgusting about it. An "event" that was introduced with the only purpose of pleasing the one's who spend. And is not something minor as well. Damn, even the piggy bank is back to grab some more here and there.

At least on some other similar deals, like cyber monday or 4th july, the difference isn't as big as that. Is like 40% unit deals to 60% money deals.

So would it be fair if the spenders call all events that have no way to spend for higher rewards "disgusting?" We earn entries into the Contest of Realms side quest. Why can't I buy more? Why is event designed to placate the free loaders? And not just this side quest, but pretty much all of them.

That looks super ugly just to type unseriously. And I'm sure there are lots of people who are thinking "yeah but" and have all kinds of rationales for why this is only true in one direction and not the other. They are wrong. It is ugly both ways. Treat the free to play players that way and you quickly have a game not worth playing. Treat the spenders that way and you quickly have no game at all.

Sometimes stuff is going to target the spenders. And while it shouldn't happen often, they shouldn't have to apologize for spending, or ensure that a substantial percentage of what they are buying is always given away to appease those that don't spend.

doctorb

Hopefully this will make it easier for the rest of us to get more T4CC 😊

DNA3000

I don't even know what to say to this
I do. Well done.

This game is supported by the ~3% that spend, and of that tiny percentage there's a lot of little spenders and a few big spenders. Most of us play for free. Of the spenders, most spend very little. This game is very progressive with taxing players: most pay nothing, the richest pay a lot. Given how many people get to play this game for free, and how many get to play this game spending nominally, it works rather well.

But you have to sell something people want to buy. You can sell small stuff to the small fish. You have to sell big stuff to the big fish. What do you sell to the whales who already have everything? More?

There's a lot of actual value in the Spring Cleaning store. Stuff that is going to have an immediate impact on every player's progress, even the F2P players will get a boost from the free and arena-grindable coins. And some of the whales will also get a big boost from the bigger offers. But the whales who have everything and for whom one more 6* Nexus might not be all that exciting? Those whales that spend on the R4 fragments are getting something they want: a shot at eventually having an advantage in the R4 race coming up. Meanwhile, they are giving up the opportunity to get some additional advantage their spending would otherwise provide. They are trading small immediate value for future excitement that literally has zero impact on the game now.

In other words, Kabam makes money off of the biggest spenders, while giving them exactly nothing today, and only a chance at something tomorrow. The advantage of those fragments is only theoretical: until you see how all future fragments get released, there's no way to even gauge what that advantage is.

For example, theoretically speaking if Act 7 contained nothing but whole catalysts (not saying that will happen, just speculating) then those fragments will *not* provide any advantage towards getting the first R4. They would likely be an advantage to getting the second, or the third, as more fragments become available. It doesn't have to be whole cats either: they can give away chunks of them for which having those fragments aren't enough to get there first.

The point is, we know what they are giving up in opportunity cost to pick up those fragments. We have no idea what advantage they are buying in reality, nor when that advantage will actually arrive. But whatever that advantage is, the one thing we do know is that it will depreciate rapidly.

it is difficult to think of a better thing to sell to such people, that they would actually want to buy. Keep in mind: if they are buying those fragments, look at what they are passing up in the Spring Cleaning store to get it. You'd have to give them *even more* than anything else the Spring Cleaning store contains to entice them as much as those fragments do, for the people who choose to buy it.

Yeah, it sucks that spenders might get there first, or have some other advantage past that point. In a perfect world spenders would only get what everyone else can also get. But the only way to arrive at that perfect world would be for all the spenders to be idiots, and we don't live in that world.
I feel like I have this reaction to every DNA3000 post.

That's always the goal.

Greekhit

This is just absurd. What do you mean "serious amounts of T6B and T3A"?

Serious amounts of t3a and t6bc would be amounts, that top at least what you could get today by paying.
Anything less, will justify anyone calling the game completely pay to win.