Ya after how poorly the champion boss was received i would bet we never see another true skill based fight that you can’t just revive through
I mean, I don't think that's a bad thing, as long as there continues to be skill based fights it doesn't really matter whether other people can revive through it or not.
You have to understand that some people prefer to play the game by stockpiling units and smashing their way through content stress-free. You don't have to play that way, but the door should be open for those that want to.
Right, and because of that we will never see another true skill based fight in mcoc. You’re just agreeing with me....
Take the grandmaster for example. You can easily take him down with 1000 units and very little skill. However I would still argue it is very much a skill based fight because it can be soloed with skill.
What I'm saying is that for a fight to be skill based, it doesn't have to be impossible to smash through with units and revives.
Ya I completely disagree, if you just can unit through it easily it’s not a fight that requires any skill
I mean I respect your opinion, but that is definitely a weird way of looking at it. So would you say that soloing the GM requires no skill?
No, i’m saying that to kill the GM requires zero skill. You don’t get anything extra for a solo vs using 20 revives, it’s the same
Then that might be the problem. If they could give something extra the less you use
Ya after how poorly the champion boss was received i would bet we never see another true skill based fight that you can’t just revive through
I mean, I don't think that's a bad thing, as long as there continues to be skill based fights it doesn't really matter whether other people can revive through it or not.
You have to understand that some people prefer to play the game by stockpiling units and smashing their way through content stress-free. You don't have to play that way, but the door should be open for those that want to.
Right, and because of that we will never see another true skill based fight in mcoc. You’re just agreeing with me....
Take the grandmaster for example. You can easily take him down with 1000 units and very little skill. However I would still argue it is very much a skill based fight because it can be soloed with skill.
What I'm saying is that for a fight to be skill based, it doesn't have to be impossible to smash through with units and revives.
Ya I completely disagree, if you just can unit through it easily it’s not a fight that requires any skill
I mean I respect your opinion, but that is definitely a weird way of looking at it. So would you say that soloing the GM requires no skill?
No, i’m saying that to kill the GM requires zero skill. You don’t get anything extra for a solo vs using 20 revives, it’s the same
Then that might be the problem. If they could give something extra the less you use
the difference between the champion and the grandmaster to me is that champion REQUIRED skill to kill, if you didn't have the skill, you simply would never kill him. Grandmaster does not require any skill to kill
Ya after how poorly the champion boss was received i would bet we never see another true skill based fight that you can’t just revive through
I mean, I don't think that's a bad thing, as long as there continues to be skill based fights it doesn't really matter whether other people can revive through it or not.
You have to understand that some people prefer to play the game by stockpiling units and smashing their way through content stress-free. You don't have to play that way, but the door should be open for those that want to.
Right, and because of that we will never see another true skill based fight in mcoc. You’re just agreeing with me....
Take the grandmaster for example. You can easily take him down with 1000 units and very little skill. However I would still argue it is very much a skill based fight because it can be soloed with skill.
What I'm saying is that for a fight to be skill based, it doesn't have to be impossible to smash through with units and revives.
Ya I completely disagree, if you just can unit through it easily it’s not a fight that requires any skill
I mean I respect your opinion, but that is definitely a weird way of looking at it. So would you say that soloing the GM requires no skill?
No, i’m saying that to kill the GM requires zero skill. You don’t get anything extra for a solo vs using 20 revives, it’s the same
Then that might be the problem. If they could give something extra the less you use
the difference between the champion and the grandmaster to me is that champion REQUIRED skill to kill, if you didn't have the skill, you simply would never kill him. Grandmaster does not require any skill to kill
For 99.9% of the community, the GM requires a lot of skill. It's not practical to unit-man through him.
i see some regular suspects of the "too ez" brigade complaining about using lower rarities. Dont you want a challenge, haven't you been moaning all over the forums lately? If they give a good challenge it is worth a shot. I, for one, am looking forward to it.
Ya after how poorly the champion boss was received i would bet we never see another true skill based fight that you can’t just revive through
I mean, I don't think that's a bad thing, as long as there continues to be skill based fights it doesn't really matter whether other people can revive through it or not.
You have to understand that some people prefer to play the game by stockpiling units and smashing their way through content stress-free. You don't have to play that way, but the door should be open for those that want to.
Right, and because of that we will never see another true skill based fight in mcoc. You’re just agreeing with me....
Take the grandmaster for example. You can easily take him down with 1000 units and very little skill. However I would still argue it is very much a skill based fight because it can be soloed with skill.
What I'm saying is that for a fight to be skill based, it doesn't have to be impossible to smash through with units and revives.
Ya I completely disagree, if you just can unit through it easily it’s not a fight that requires any skill
I mean I respect your opinion, but that is definitely a weird way of looking at it. So would you say that soloing the GM requires no skill?
No, i’m saying that to kill the GM requires zero skill. You don’t get anything extra for a solo vs using 20 revives, it’s the same
Then that might be the problem. If they could give something extra the less you use
the difference between the champion and the grandmaster to me is that champion REQUIRED skill to kill, if you didn't have the skill, you simply would never kill him. Grandmaster does not require any skill to kill
For 99.9% of the community, the GM requires a lot of skill. It's not practical to unit-man through him.
Practicality is very different from possibility, I actually kinda agree with @danielmath on this one
i see some regular suspects of the "too ez" brigade complaining about using lower rarities. Dont you want a challenge, haven't you been moaning all over the forums lately? If they give a good challenge it is worth a shot. I, for one, am looking forward to it.
It’s always the same 10 people who complain about the forum community complaining but then never stop complaining about how everything is too easy for them. They go through quests with one hand behind their back, eyes closed, while using 3 stars.
I mean if you look at @danielmath’s last 47 comments they all start with “I don’t understand your point because the game is too easy for me”
Ya after how poorly the champion boss was received i would bet we never see another true skill based fight that you can’t just revive through
I mean, I don't think that's a bad thing, as long as there continues to be skill based fights it doesn't really matter whether other people can revive through it or not.
You have to understand that some people prefer to play the game by stockpiling units and smashing their way through content stress-free. You don't have to play that way, but the door should be open for those that want to.
Right, and because of that we will never see another true skill based fight in mcoc. You’re just agreeing with me....
Take the grandmaster for example. You can easily take him down with 1000 units and very little skill. However I would still argue it is very much a skill based fight because it can be soloed with skill.
What I'm saying is that for a fight to be skill based, it doesn't have to be impossible to smash through with units and revives.
Ya I completely disagree, if you just can unit through it easily it’s not a fight that requires any skill
I mean I respect your opinion, but that is definitely a weird way of looking at it. So would you say that soloing the GM requires no skill?
No, i’m saying that to kill the GM requires zero skill. You don’t get anything extra for a solo vs using 20 revives, it’s the same
Then that might be the problem. If they could give something extra the less you use
the difference between the champion and the grandmaster to me is that champion REQUIRED skill to kill, if you didn't have the skill, you simply would never kill him. Grandmaster does not require any skill to kill
For 99.9% of the community, the GM requires a lot of skill. It's not practical to unit-man through him.
It is possible.. which is the whole point. Spend enou
Ya after how poorly the champion boss was received i would bet we never see another true skill based fight that you can’t just revive through
I mean, I don't think that's a bad thing, as long as there continues to be skill based fights it doesn't really matter whether other people can revive through it or not.
You have to understand that some people prefer to play the game by stockpiling units and smashing their way through content stress-free. You don't have to play that way, but the door should be open for those that want to.
Right, and because of that we will never see another true skill based fight in mcoc. You’re just agreeing with me....
Take the grandmaster for example. You can easily take him down with 1000 units and very little skill. However I would still argue it is very much a skill based fight because it can be soloed with skill.
What I'm saying is that for a fight to be skill based, it doesn't have to be impossible to smash through with units and revives.
Ya I completely disagree, if you just can unit through it easily it’s not a fight that requires any skill
I mean I respect your opinion, but that is definitely a weird way of looking at it. So would you say that soloing the GM requires no skill?
No, i’m saying that to kill the GM requires zero skill. You don’t get anything extra for a solo vs using 20 revives, it’s the same
Then that might be the problem. If they could give something extra the less you use
the difference between the champion and the grandmaster to me is that champion REQUIRED skill to kill, if you didn't have the skill, you simply would never kill him. Grandmaster does not require any skill to kill
For 99.9% of the community, the GM requires a lot of skill. It's not practical to unit-man through him.
It is possible.. which is the whole point. Spend enou
Yes but it isn't practical for anyone which is the whole point. Saying that GM requires no skill just seems like a weird flex .
No, i’m saying that to kill the GM requires zero skill. You don’t get anything extra for a solo vs using 20 revives, it’s the same
The person who soloes the grandmaster get to keep his 800 units(20 revives) in his pocket which he can spend in other ways. Don't u think these 800 units are extra??
i see some regular suspects of the "too ez" brigade complaining about using lower rarities. Dont you want a challenge, haven't you been moaning all over the forums lately? If they give a good challenge it is worth a shot. I, for one, am looking forward to it.
4* challenges are just boring low hanging fruit that few really enjoy from all sides of the community.
I'd much rather have to use OG Spidey to take down V7 Venom or something along those lines. Creativity in challenges will go a long way to making this a success.
Ya after how poorly the champion boss was received i would bet we never see another true skill based fight that you can’t just revive through
I mean, I don't think that's a bad thing, as long as there continues to be skill based fights it doesn't really matter whether other people can revive through it or not.
You have to understand that some people prefer to play the game by stockpiling units and smashing their way through content stress-free. You don't have to play that way, but the door should be open for those that want to.
every fight in the game can just be smashed through with units. The door is very much open for those that want to.
There are no fights that are just skill, why can’t the door be open for those who want that?
Then there needs to be a mode to practice as well. Not everyone wants to run the same lane 50 odd times to then try to reach the last 10% of the Champion and then die due to pre-nerf block damage while trying to improve. I did it pre-nerf before, just saying. And the timing of the dex was weird. Not the same as duels. If they want to put pure high skill content without using any units, then there should be a practice mode. And I don't think it should be in story content which is supposed to be the way to progress. Then it just leads to a lot of players not wanting to do content.
i see some regular suspects of the "too ez" brigade complaining about using lower rarities. Dont you want a challenge, haven't you been moaning all over the forums lately? If they give a good challenge it is worth a shot. I, for one, am looking forward to it.
4* challenges are just boring low hanging fruit that few really enjoy from all sides of the community.
I'd much rather have to use OG Spidey to take down V7 Venom or something along those lines. Creativity in challenges will go a long way to making this a success.
Yeah it is a challenge, which is what everyone wanted didnt they? After so much moaning and crying we are getting something. Why this pessimism?
i see some regular suspects of the "too ez" brigade complaining about using lower rarities. Dont you want a challenge, haven't you been moaning all over the forums lately? If they give a good challenge it is worth a shot. I, for one, am looking forward to it.
4* challenges are just boring low hanging fruit that few really enjoy from all sides of the community.
I'd much rather have to use OG Spidey to take down V7 Venom or something along those lines. Creativity in challenges will go a long way to making this a success.
Yeah it is a challenge, which is what everyone wanted didnt they? After so much moaning and crying we are getting something. Why this pessimism?
Can people not be more specific with what they consider challenging and fun?
Why are you the preference police, “nuh uh you said you wanted a challenge, so you can’t be pessimistic”
i see some regular suspects of the "too ez" brigade complaining about using lower rarities. Dont you want a challenge, haven't you been moaning all over the forums lately? If they give a good challenge it is worth a shot. I, for one, am looking forward to it.
4* challenges are just boring low hanging fruit that few really enjoy from all sides of the community.
I'd much rather have to use OG Spidey to take down V7 Venom or something along those lines. Creativity in challenges will go a long way to making this a success.
Yeah it is a challenge, which is what everyone wanted didnt they? After so much moaning and crying we are getting something. Why this pessimism?
Well it's clear the majority of people dislike the 4* challenges from Cav EQ. This mostly comes from the lack of 4* rankup gems and then having to redivert 5*/6* resources to 4*.
There's also the issue of it essentially just being a fight with weakness on, you can take the exact same team of 4* as you could 6*. Sure it's more challenging, but it's not any more interesting.
These challenges can make you redo fights with weaker versions of your champions, or they can challenge you in ways that force you to think outside the box. I'm hoping for the latter.
i see some regular suspects of the "too ez" brigade complaining about using lower rarities. Dont you want a challenge, haven't you been moaning all over the forums lately? If they give a good challenge it is worth a shot. I, for one, am looking forward to it.
4* challenges are just boring low hanging fruit that few really enjoy from all sides of the community.
I'd much rather have to use OG Spidey to take down V7 Venom or something along those lines. Creativity in challenges will go a long way to making this a success.
Yeah it is a challenge, which is what everyone wanted didnt they? After so much moaning and crying we are getting something. Why this pessimism?
Can people not be more specific with what they consider challenging and fun?
Why are you the preference police, “nuh uh you said you wanted a challenge, so you can’t be pessimistic”
And considering that most of the people he's referring to have said they want something to do with the 6* rosters they've built to this point, he doesn't even have a legitimate point.
i see some regular suspects of the "too ez" brigade complaining about using lower rarities. Dont you want a challenge, haven't you been moaning all over the forums lately? If they give a good challenge it is worth a shot. I, for one, am looking forward to it.
4* challenges are just boring low hanging fruit that few really enjoy from all sides of the community.
I'd much rather have to use OG Spidey to take down V7 Venom or something along those lines. Creativity in challenges will go a long way to making this a success.
Yeah it is a challenge, which is what everyone wanted didnt they? After so much moaning and crying we are getting something. Why this pessimism?
Can people not be more specific with what they consider challenging and fun?
Why are you the preference police, “nuh uh you said you wanted a challenge, so you can’t be pessimistic”
Just putting a point. What about the opposite? When others moan about hard content or praise something for being what they consider fun, half the police here come and call everything easy and boring and ruin it for them.
i see some regular suspects of the "too ez" brigade complaining about using lower rarities. Dont you want a challenge, haven't you been moaning all over the forums lately? If they give a good challenge it is worth a shot. I, for one, am looking forward to it.
4* challenges are just boring low hanging fruit that few really enjoy from all sides of the community.
I'd much rather have to use OG Spidey to take down V7 Venom or something along those lines. Creativity in challenges will go a long way to making this a success.
Yeah it is a challenge, which is what everyone wanted didnt they? After so much moaning and crying we are getting something. Why this pessimism?
The problem with using 4*s is it desensitize the point of investing in 6*R3s when there’s no avenue to use them except for Alliance stuff that is fairly repetitive? These “complainers” you are pertaining to are amassing weapons with nothing to use them on. It should be challenging but it should also respect the resources and efforts we are investing in this game.
I’ll take the challenge but it should excite me to rank my 6*s and not my 4*s.
i see some regular suspects of the "too ez" brigade complaining about using lower rarities. Dont you want a challenge, haven't you been moaning all over the forums lately? If they give a good challenge it is worth a shot. I, for one, am looking forward to it.
4* challenges are just boring low hanging fruit that few really enjoy from all sides of the community.
I'd much rather have to use OG Spidey to take down V7 Venom or something along those lines. Creativity in challenges will go a long way to making this a success.
Yeah it is a challenge, which is what everyone wanted didnt they? After so much moaning and crying we are getting something. Why this pessimism?
Can people not be more specific with what they consider challenging and fun?
Why are you the preference police, “nuh uh you said you wanted a challenge, so you can’t be pessimistic”
Just putting a point. What about the opposite? When others moan about hard content or praise something for being what they consider fun, half the police here come and call everything easy and boring and ruin it for them.
Because there’s a difference between what you claim end game players are doing and what non end game players are doing.
When content comes out that is too easy for end game players and doesn’t challenge us, we give our feedback, variant 7 is too easy, it’s not a challenge, we would like something harder. We never say “all content should be hard, there shouldn’t be no middle tier, you have no right to enjoy variant content” etc. We just want our fair slice of the pie.
But when we ask for that, the same suspects every time come forward and say the same arguments, just use 4*, just play the game and enjoy it, take a break.
We never come and tell people how to play the game, and anyone who does, is being unfair. We are giving our feedback that content isn’t challenging us and we are bored, I’ve never seen someone say this is boring anyone who enjoys it is wrong, only that their opinion is they want some harder content.
All we want is a challenge, one that inspires us to play new strategies, learn new skills and something we find fun. But when we say, oh a 4* challenge doesn’t do that for us, it’s just using the same champions with a weakness, we get scoffed at again like oh can’t you enjoy anything stop being so pessimistic.
It’s really draining when we’re just giving feedback on how we would enjoy a game we love
Based on these “just use a 4* gang*, I should be more excited to pull a good 4* champ than a 6* then. I should just stop building up my 6*s and focus on building a stacked 4* roster.
I have a feeling one will be. Take down abyss thing using a team of 4*. Or even maybe just solo him using anybody.
That's too easy.
Ok then. Easiest challenge to be apart of carinas challenge. Solo every single act6 boss in a row. One long quest. One lane. Global nodes of each quest are included on each of their. respective boss.
i see some regular suspects of the "too ez" brigade complaining about using lower rarities. Dont you want a challenge, haven't you been moaning all over the forums lately? If they give a good challenge it is worth a shot. I, for one, am looking forward to it.
4* challenges are just boring low hanging fruit that few really enjoy from all sides of the community.
I'd much rather have to use OG Spidey to take down V7 Venom or something along those lines. Creativity in challenges will go a long way to making this a success.
Yeah it is a challenge, which is what everyone wanted didnt they? After so much moaning and crying we are getting something. Why this pessimism?
Can people not be more specific with what they consider challenging and fun?
Why are you the preference police, “nuh uh you said you wanted a challenge, so you can’t be pessimistic”
well then continue crying. You dont want to wait, you dont want a kabam challenge, then continue bawling all over the forums. Be my guest. Dont expect a tissue from me.
i see some regular suspects of the "too ez" brigade complaining about using lower rarities. Dont you want a challenge, haven't you been moaning all over the forums lately? If they give a good challenge it is worth a shot. I, for one, am looking forward to it.
4* challenges are just boring low hanging fruit that few really enjoy from all sides of the community.
I'd much rather have to use OG Spidey to take down V7 Venom or something along those lines. Creativity in challenges will go a long way to making this a success.
Yeah it is a challenge, which is what everyone wanted didnt they? After so much moaning and crying we are getting something. Why this pessimism?
Can people not be more specific with what they consider challenging and fun?
Why are you the preference police, “nuh uh you said you wanted a challenge, so you can’t be pessimistic”
And considering that most of the people he's referring to have said they want something to do with the 6* rosters they've built to this point, he doesn't even have a legitimate point.
you have not even seen the challenge. You have assumed your theoretical worst and continued to complain. How about, do 6.4.4 vivified lane without quake ghost or g99, have you thought about it? No. Hey it is not gonna be a challenge to mr high and mighty, lets continue griefing the forums.
i see some regular suspects of the "too ez" brigade complaining about using lower rarities. Dont you want a challenge, haven't you been moaning all over the forums lately? If they give a good challenge it is worth a shot. I, for one, am looking forward to it.
4* challenges are just boring low hanging fruit that few really enjoy from all sides of the community.
I'd much rather have to use OG Spidey to take down V7 Venom or something along those lines. Creativity in challenges will go a long way to making this a success.
Yeah it is a challenge, which is what everyone wanted didnt they? After so much moaning and crying we are getting something. Why this pessimism?
Can people not be more specific with what they consider challenging and fun?
Why are you the preference police, “nuh uh you said you wanted a challenge, so you can’t be pessimistic”
Just putting a point. What about the opposite? When others moan about hard content or praise something for being what they consider fun, half the police here come and call everything easy and boring and ruin it for them.
Because there’s a difference between what you claim end game players are doing and what non end game players are doing.
When content comes out that is too easy for end game players and doesn’t challenge us, we give our feedback, variant 7 is too easy, it’s not a challenge, we would like something harder. We never say “all content should be hard, there shouldn’t be no middle tier, you have no right to enjoy variant content” etc. We just want our fair slice of the pie.
But when we ask for that, the same suspects every time come forward and say the same arguments, just use 4*, just play the game and enjoy it, take a break.
We never come and tell people how to play the game, and anyone who does, is being unfair. We are giving our feedback that content isn’t challenging us and we are bored, I’ve never seen someone say this is boring anyone who enjoys it is wrong, only that their opinion is they want some harder content.
All we want is a challenge, one that inspires us to play new strategies, learn new skills and something we find fun. But when we say, oh a 4* challenge doesn’t do that for us, it’s just using the same champions with a weakness, we get scoffed at again like oh can’t you enjoy anything stop being so pessimistic.
It’s really draining when we’re just giving feedback on how we would enjoy a game we love
Other than a few changes which were made to the bosses in Act 6, the only thing that differs from the initial Act 6 is the attack values. Yet everyone praises it as if it were the coming of the Lord or something. The nodes are the same. But I see a ton of endgame players compare everything to Act 6. Also, yes I agree that the Endgame players do deserve content to keep them entertained. But that doesn't mean that anytime content drops and someone finds it hard/fun but it's easy for them, the thread is hijacked, compared to Act 6 and all in general moaned about. Let people have their fun. Kabam needs to give you guys something to enjoy too, but noone needs to ruin others fun at the same time. Just as the same that you shouldn't be denied your fun, no need to say everything is too easy all the time. If Kabam makes pure content just for you and the non endgamers complain, then yes smack them all you want. But that shouldn't be in story mode anyway
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I mean if you look at @danielmath’s last 47 comments they all start with “I don’t understand your point because the game is too easy for me”
I'd much rather have to use OG Spidey to take down V7 Venom or something along those lines. Creativity in challenges will go a long way to making this a success.
If they want to put pure high skill content without using any units, then there should be a practice mode. And I don't think it should be in story content which is supposed to be the way to progress. Then it just leads to a lot of players not wanting to do content.
Why are you the preference police, “nuh uh you said you wanted a challenge, so you can’t be pessimistic”
There's also the issue of it essentially just being a fight with weakness on, you can take the exact same team of 4* as you could 6*. Sure it's more challenging, but it's not any more interesting.
These challenges can make you redo fights with weaker versions of your champions, or they can challenge you in ways that force you to think outside the box. I'm hoping for the latter.
I’ll take the challenge but it should excite me to rank my 6*s and not my 4*s.
When content comes out that is too easy for end game players and doesn’t challenge us, we give our feedback, variant 7 is too easy, it’s not a challenge, we would like something harder. We never say “all content should be hard, there shouldn’t be no middle tier, you have no right to enjoy variant content” etc. We just want our fair slice of the pie.
But when we ask for that, the same suspects every time come forward and say the same arguments, just use 4*, just play the game and enjoy it, take a break.
We never come and tell people how to play the game, and anyone who does, is being unfair. We are giving our feedback that content isn’t challenging us and we are bored, I’ve never seen someone say this is boring anyone who enjoys it is wrong, only that their opinion is they want some harder content.
All we want is a challenge, one that inspires us to play new strategies, learn new skills and something we find fun. But when we say, oh a 4* challenge doesn’t do that for us, it’s just using the same champions with a weakness, we get scoffed at again like oh can’t you enjoy anything stop being so pessimistic.
It’s really draining when we’re just giving feedback on how we would enjoy a game we love
How about, do 6.4.4 vivified lane without quake ghost or g99, have you thought about it? No. Hey it is not gonna be a challenge to mr high and mighty, lets continue griefing the forums.
Also, yes I agree that the Endgame players do deserve content to keep them entertained. But that doesn't mean that anytime content drops and someone finds it hard/fun but it's easy for them, the thread is hijacked, compared to Act 6 and all in general moaned about. Let people have their fun.
Kabam needs to give you guys something to enjoy too, but noone needs to ruin others fun at the same time. Just as the same that you shouldn't be denied your fun, no need to say everything is too easy all the time. If Kabam makes pure content just for you and the non endgamers complain, then yes smack them all you want. But that shouldn't be in story mode anyway