Summer of pain should be accessible to Cavs

I just found out that Cav players no longer have access to all summer of pain, would have been something I complimented kabam of but it honestly should be a given here all things considered now I previously made a post elaborating on why Cavs should have access to the gauntlet

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/267526/cav-should-have-access-to-grand-master-gauntlet

Now the general consensus I got from this post was not, why do Cavs not have access to something like this, but why would they need access to this if it's for a rank 4 and they can't get a rank 3, now I'm late and this works in my favor because I'm able to read there arguments in this post

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/270167/why-lock-summoner-showdown-to-thronebreakers/p1

Now the argument used previously no longer works, due to the fact that SELECTOR t5 cats are being offered, what will TB and self harming cav players use in there new arguments I'll tell you, they start by saying that it's not rng based which is a lie within itself but even if it wasn't it doesn't address why it's locked to Cav players and players who wanted to be TB are missing out on a SELECTOR the notion that Cav players are actively going out of there way to not be TB makes no sense you gain so much by being TB and kabam can't pull **** like this on you as a player. The next argument they use and use often is that this will be too difficult and we Cavs will consider it a money grab. This one just makes no sense, it was hyped up as difficult content, as a player I expected that and welcome the challenge for rewards worth while. I just find it very funny how people like demonz who say things like this, (someone who I can say with certainty disagreed with that post ask why its locked to TB after gold, a post by the way has 50 at my last checking) where not saying that gold difficulty shouldn't be available to Cav players when it was already perceived to be, they'll say things like this thinking they have the Cav players in mind but don't, they just rush to kabams defense when things like this happens.

There's no reason for kabam to do this, there just going out of there way (literally wasn't even mentioned, wonder why) to do it and it's killing the Cav player base especially considering this will MASSIVELY (it's 2 selectors) help them more than a TB player, due to the fact that when a deal hit or new content arrives they are now in the top pool getting the best rewards and deals.

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ThatGuyYouSaw235

Eh, I'm Cav and idc. Gimme them selectors.

DawsMan

It is. Y'all can get 75% t5cc selectable and a six star nexus. Not to mention between now and 70 days you will be able to hit tb and get some juicier rewards.

MaxGaming

Remember the days when Uncollected had meaning to it...

DawsMan

Remember the days when Uncollected had meaning to it...

like a year and a bit ago.

SpideyFunko

We can do it. Just don’t get the extra milestones

Mobile_P0tat0

Cavs are already complaining that rogue is too hard, it's just going to get worse when they have to do a difficult fight with extra objectives

Intensity108

No

@KindaGomans3 this is the same guy who said we should remove ISO from the game, so of course he won't be too much help and will just be negative about it

GinjabredMonsta

Wow u all didn't even read the post, I just posted it and you didn't read it but no already ok sure
I read it. The problem is you argued against many reasons players gave for why they thought it was okay for Kabam to lock the Gold tier showdown to TB, but you ignored the most obvious reason for Kabam itself to do this. MCOC is a progressional game focused on champion collection. It is fundamentally based around players making progress in content and growing their roster. The game has progressional tiers, and rewards players who achieve those tiers.

Giving the players who have achieved the highest progressional tier in the game access to the most rewarding content is completely logical. It is an incentive to players to push forward, for those with the competitive drive to compete in such events.

They have no obligation to explain why they are rewarding the players who have achieved the highest progress achievement in the game with an exclusive benefit, because that should be obvious. That's why progress tiers exist: to reward players who achieve them with rewards players of lower progress cannot currently get. Some rewards will be gated, some will not. This one is.

Also, your own arguments seem to be pretty faulty. For example you say that this sort of thing "hurts Cavs" because the rewards could help Cavs more than Thronebreakers. Well yeah: almost all Thronebreaker rewards could help Cavs more than Thronebreakers. That's why they don't get them. The rewards I get as a Thronebreaker would help progress Cavs more than they would me, but you know who would progress *even faster* if they got my rewards? Uncollected players. They could blast past Cav way faster if they got my rewards than if they were getting Uncollected rewards. That's why rewards are tiered. Rewards that make sense for one tier don't make sense for lower tiers because they are too strong for them. The idea that these reward gates hurt Cavs because they would benefit them more ignores the whole idea of progressional reward gates. That's literally why they exist.

Also, I have no idea what you mean by Kabam "going out of its way" to do something. This sounds like you think Kabam made the event and then deliberately spent tons of extra energy fighting to erect a giant wall to keep out the Cavs while pouring burning oil on top of them. It takes exactly the same amount of time, energy, and consideration to say "let's make this accessible to Cavalier and up" and "let's make this accessible to Thronebreaker and up."

Uncollected players could make the same statement: that Cavalier players shouldn't get things that they can't get, but Kabam just goes out of their way to exclude Uncollected players from Cavalier rewards. Kabam doesn't go out of its way to design rewards. They just design the rewards.

Edit: I originally misread the title, and edited the post to reflect that.

I came here to say this, but not as eloquent as DNA does

MrInsanity

No
@KindaGomans3 this is the same guy who said we should remove ISO from the game, so of course he won't be too much help and will just be negative about it

How am I being negative for disagreeing

Also at least I know how to parry... https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/270262/parry-has-it-been-changed-recently#latest 💀

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Hoitado

Misclicked

And Honestly It shouldn’t be available to Cavalier Players. Most Cavalier Players wouldn’t even be able to handle a challenge like this whereas ThroneBreaker Level Players can. AGAIN there needs to be a definitive line between Cavalier and ThroneBreaker.

Deacon

Milestone 6 for a Cav player can be super useful in a bid for Thronebreaker. It's not taken away at all. Limited perhaps is a better word because it's completely accessible already. And as I mentioned, for a Cav player, what you're able to potentially get is nothing to turn your nose up at. Very decent rewards at M6.

Pulyaman

It's not a question of who is able to do it and who gets benefitted more. Someone like swedeah or msd could start a new account and beat that rogue with a 2 star spidergwen, does that mean lvl 1 players should have access to summer of pain? No. There are progression titles in the game for a reason. If you have access to the highest rewards and the toughest content, fulfill thr requirement for that title and don't ask content to be tailored to your account.

DNA3000

Milestone 6 for a Cav player can be super useful in a bid for Thronebreaker.

If you can do the fights, Milestone 6 is almost a guarantee ticket to Thronebreaker. Three 25% selectors, and one comes with Act 6 completion (a necessary prerequisite for TB), and you would have to go out of your way to mess that up.

On a relative basis, Milestone 6 is probably as good of a package of rewards to mid-tier Cavs as the Grandmaster's Gauntlet rewards are to mid-tier Thronebreakers.

Malreck04

Now I'm cavalier and if I reach 6 milestones I'll be able to upgrade 3 champs to rank 3 without abyss or explore act 6 and their randomizer rewards. This rewards are enough for me.

3 champs to rank 3? Sorry bro you're only gonna get three quarters of a t5cc @JhonST33

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Pulyaman

Now I'm cavalier and if I reach 6 milestones I'll be able to upgrade 3 champs to rank 3 without abyss or explore act 6 and their randomizer rewards. This rewards are enough for me.
3 champs to rank 3? Sorry bro you're only gonna get three quarters of a t5cc @JhonST33

Maybe he is close to forming 3 t5cc and just need 25% of each to form them.

Malreck04

Now I'm cavalier and if I reach 6 milestones I'll be able to upgrade 3 champs to rank 3 without abyss or explore act 6 and their randomizer rewards. This rewards are enough for me.
3 champs to rank 3? Sorry bro you're only gonna get three quarters of a t5cc @JhonST33
Maybe he is close to forming 3 t5cc and just need 25% of each to form them.

Dang, didn't think of that

JhonST33

Now I'm cavalier and if I reach 6 milestones I'll be able to upgrade 3 champs to rank 3 without abyss or explore act 6 and their randomizer rewards. This rewards are enough for me.
3 champs to rank 3? Sorry bro you're only gonna get three quarters of a t5cc @JhonST33

I have science, tech and cosmic at 50%. I'll obtain 6 25 percent class catalyst selector, so I will form 3 5 class catalysts.

Demonzfyre

Now I'm cavalier and if I reach 6 milestones I'll be able to upgrade 3 champs to rank 3 without abyss or explore act 6 and their randomizer rewards. This rewards are enough for me.
3 champs to rank 3? Sorry bro you're only gonna get three quarters of a t5cc @JhonST33
I have science, tech and cosmic at 50%. I'll obtain 6 25 percent class catalyst selector, so I will form 3 5 class catalysts.

You don't get all the rewards for each milestone. You only get the milestone you end the event on.

JhonST33

Now I'm cavalier and if I reach 6 milestones I'll be able to upgrade 3 champs to rank 3 without abyss or explore act 6 and their randomizer rewards. This rewards are enough for me.
3 champs to rank 3? Sorry bro you're only gonna get three quarters of a t5cc @JhonST33
I have science, tech and cosmic at 50%. I'll obtain 6 25 percent class catalyst selector, so I will form 3 5 class catalysts.
You don't get all the rewards for each milestone. You only get the milestone you end the event on.

I don't know that. Mmmmm so bad. At least I become TB.

GroundedWisdom

The Rewards for Cav are still helpful. 75% of a T5CC and a Nexus isn't bad. Should take some people to TB.

Searmenis

It's not about skills, theoretically anyone can spend a ton of money and get all rewards. Obviously Kabam don'r want cavs to have access to a potential 6* r4. (Personally I agree with that).
That, but also in general the highest appropriate rewards for Cavs will always be lower than the highest appropriate rewards for Thronebreakers. And it is not just about individual rewards: Kabam balances rewards around reward *rates* - they look at *how much* stuff is theoretically flowing to different tiers of players. A T5CC might be an appropriate reward for a Cav, or it might not, depending on the overall reward balance for the game for that progress tier for the year.

What's appropriate for Thronebreakers will always be higher than what is appropriate for Cavs. So if all the rewards were accessible to Cavs, they'd be lower than if the rewards were tiered. The question is: should TB players get more or not. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. For a content event like this where the rewards are intended to be juicy, the answer is generally going to be yes.

Yup. If everything was accessible to every rank, you would get bored fast and eventually stopped playing.

Reference

Frankly I don't know why Kabam set such gate for Cav player. The difficulty of the fight itself is already a gate for player. You can't rule out some Cav players are really skillful, just not aggressive enough to acquire T5cc shards for r3 6*. In fact, I wonder how many TB players can one-shot Rouge, versus Cav players.

If summer of pain is a skill-based challenge, I don't think that title gate is necessary. If a Cav can fight to the final stage then so be it. I'm a TB player and I don't feel the conflict here.

Pulyaman

Frankly I don't know why Kabam set such gate for Cav player. The difficulty of the fight itself is already a gate for player. You can't rule out some Cav players are really skillful, just not aggressive enough to acquire T5cc shards for r3 6*. In fact, I wonder how many TB players can one-shot Rouge, versus Cav players.

If summer of pain is a skill-based challenge, I don't think that title gate is necessary. If a Cav can fight to the final stage then so be it. I'm a TB player and I don't feel the conflict here.

They encourage you to progress in the game to get the next title. Not everything is available to everyone. If you take the game show and are not aggressive enough, then you should not complain when content is introduced to people who are aggressive and get that title. This is actually not a competition to see who is more skilled, that's summoner showdown. This is a content for players who have completed everything else in the game. I am actually curious why Kabam decided to include cavs at all in this and not in thr gauntlet.

Giuliameij

You can get to milestone number 6. That is 75% of a t5cc you can select. This is HUGE for a cav player. Since you also need to complete act 6 to become thronebreaker you can get 100% of a t5cc you can select.
This single event can get you thronebreaker by just defeating the bosses ONES!!!
So, you do not need to do the abyss, do not need to do any of 7.1 or 7.2. Not a single full exploration of an event quest. NOTHING. Except these 9 bosses and a single clear of act 6 (which you need to do anyways for the title)

Cavalier players being allowed to get into this event up to milestone #6 is a huge huge huge gift from Kabam to all cavalier players. And hugely unfair to people who have done much longer and maybe even more challenging content .
Please stop complaining because otherwise they might have to change the cavalier title to complainers title.

Searmenis

Frankly I don't know why Kabam set such gate for Cav player. The difficulty of the fight itself is already a gate for player. You can't rule out some Cav players are really skillful, just not aggressive enough to acquire T5cc shards for r3 6*. In fact, I wonder how many TB players can one-shot Rouge, versus Cav players.

If summer of pain is a skill-based challenge, I don't think that title gate is necessary. If a Cav can fight to the final stage then so be it. I'm a TB player and I don't feel the conflict here.

This way is less complicated than having same fights with different levels of difficulty for cavs and TB like in side quests for example. You get the rewards for your rank as usual, content (and -> rewards) restrictions is not something new to the game.

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The_Sentry06

I mean, if you want, you can just find the objectives online and solo the bosses for fun and flex, you just won't get any extra reward.

GOTG

It should be accessible to uncollected and conqueror too, just cavs is so unfair.