"De-awakening Gem" and de-rank tickets compensation

Hi guys,

First of all, I want to say this new 5* system is a step in the right direction. Would have been awesome if we have started with this. But since we didn't I hope Kabam will seriously consider the following since the 5* crystal system has changed. Many upgrades are done with a lot of thought and when the system changes dramatically, such as this whole new pool system, basically all the veteran players are left shaking their heads. #kabammed is what we call it.

To help restore and alleviate some of the frustrations felt by veteran players I am suggesting the following:

Please issue at least two "de-awakening gem" that will change the signature level of the champ used on to zero and issue to user the awakening gem of that specific class as well as signature stones of that class. For instance if I have an awakened 5* ultron signature level 40, if I used this de-awakening gem then the ultron will become signature level 0. Player will receive a tech 5* awakening gem and 40 tech 5* signature stones. Perhaps limit this gem to be used on "feature champs" pool only.

Would also appreciate it if you can issue at least three 5* de-ranking tickets.

I believe many will appreciate this gesture. Since it's a new system I believe Kabam should not punish those who played under your old system.

Please express your thoughts. Perhaps there is some negatives I do not see? Hope Kabam does it if it's a win-win situation.

P.s. Someone took my codeplay name

Comments

CoatHang3r

You choose to use items on champions for advantages they offered you in the past (and will still do so in the present and near future). You've maintained rankings in the AQ leaderboards and reaped the rewards associated. Now that this is challenged you think it's apporopriate to allow players to maintain that standing by being gifted a do over? Sorry the game is ever evolving and someone who's been around and "carefully considers" their rank up descisions should have considered that fact.

The proposal puts anyone behind players who had these options in the past even further behind them now and into the future.

Sounds like people want thier cake and to eat it also. What you are experiencing as frustration is actually akin to buyers remorse.

VerusRexAces

CoatHang3r wrote: »

Sounds like people want thier cake and to eat it also. What you are experiencing as frustration is actually akin to buyers remorse.

I would agree with you that it is buyer's remorse if the product didn't change. But since the product changed this would fall more into the "bait and switch" category.

GroundedWisdom

VerusRexAces wrote: »

CoatHang3r wrote: »

Sounds like people want thier cake and to eat it also. What you are experiencing as frustration is actually akin to buyers remorse.

I would agree with you that it is buyer's remorse if the product didn't change. But since the product changed this would fall more into the "bait and switch" category.

The product didn't change. The Featured Crystals and Basic Crystals are changing. The offer never changed. People chose for themselves whether or not they wanted to act on the opportunity. They received what it promised.

VerusRexAces

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

VerusRexAces wrote: »

CoatHang3r wrote: »

Sounds like people want thier cake and to eat it also. What you are experiencing as frustration is actually akin to buyers remorse.

I would agree with you that it is buyer's remorse if the product didn't change. But since the product changed this would fall more into the "bait and switch" category.

The product didn't change. The Featured Crystals and Basic Crystals are changing. The offer never changed. People chose for themselves whether or not they wanted to act on the opportunity. They received what it promised.

Product did change 5* Feature now features the spotlight champ as well as past features not yet in Basic 5* Crystal.

While Basic 5* Crystal now features Basics + Features that slowly trickle in.

If it didn't change, Mike wouldn't have made a post that announces "change".

BZ_

I'll agree with with the need for down rank tickets. Upper medium players will have use for it. I wouldn't have r4'd magneto if he wasn't my only duped 5* by that time and if I didn't need the prestige to be able to stay in a t4c winning alliance. And now Mordo and other high prestige 5* are given out in the basic crystals...come on.

GroundedWisdom

VerusRexAces wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

VerusRexAces wrote: »

CoatHang3r wrote: »

Sounds like people want thier cake and to eat it also. What you are experiencing as frustration is actually akin to buyers remorse.

I would agree with you that it is buyer's remorse if the product didn't change. But since the product changed this would fall more into the "bait and switch" category.

The product didn't change. The Featured Crystals and Basic Crystals are changing. The offer never changed. People chose for themselves whether or not they wanted to act on the opportunity. They received what it promised.

Product did change 5* Feature now features the spotlight champ as well as past features not yet in Basic 5* Crystal.

While Basic 5* Crystal now features Basics + Features that slowly trickle in.

If it didn't change, Mike wouldn't have made a post that announces "change".

The offer itself promised a chance at the listed Champs. It gave just that. It was completely optional and it was the last part of a 3-part offer.
It did not say:
"Chance at Champs which will never be added."
"Act now because we are not offering these again."

It gave a list of Champs that you could try for. That's what it provided. The argument doesn't hold because it gave a chance at Champs which were not in the Crystals at the time it was offered. That doesn't mean that if there's another opportunity in the future, people are entitled to something back. It was up to them to decide if they wanted to buy it or not.

CoatHang3r

VerusRexAces wrote: »

CoatHang3r wrote: »

Sounds like people want thier cake and to eat it also. What you are experiencing as frustration is actually akin to buyers remorse.

I would agree with you that it is buyer's remorse if the product didn't change. But since the product changed this would fall more into the "bait and switch" category.

The product hasn't changed. It's value compared to the past has changed. Anyways you'll get plenty of gems, stones and rank up materials with future content.

A part of my faith in humanity dies when bait and switch is used to describe video games.

CDNYC

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

TheObiJuan

The product aka MCoC does change. It's a football game where the end zone continually moves, ball size varies, rules change on the whim and player stats are changed regularly, often silently.

The game dynamics change and when it's big enough we should be given an opportunity to reset with it.

roastedbagel

TheObiJuan wrote: »

The game dynamics change and when it's big enough we should be given an opportunity to reset with it.

Wow...there's a name I haven't seen in a REALLY long time...

Edit: Just realized my avatar is Spider-Gwen...#Kabammed again

Jerzy

Nope these aren't needed. This would just give people a Mulligan for possible bad choices they made to get ahead in the prestige race. You could have saved your gems like countless others are doing but you used it to get ahead, which is fine but you shouldn't now be allowed to take it back in order to get further ahead.

GroundedWisdom

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

I used a Gem on Cable. Now he's in the Crystals. Should I get my Gem back? No.

DNA3000

VerusRexAces wrote: »

First of all, I want to say this new 5* system is a step in the right direction. Would have been awesome if we have started with this.

My feeling on this in general is that I don't subscribe to the notion that there is some perfect version of the game that it should have always been since the beginning of time, and every time the game changes that is an acknowledgement that it should have always been that way. I believe it is both possible and likely that it was best for the game to start as it did, and best for it to change over time as the players' progression changes.

That's important to state, because it informs my opinion about these "compensation" suggestions in general. In general, I don't think players deserve compensation for the game changing, just because they made long term strategic plans based on the assumption the game would never change in the future and alter the efficiency of those plans. You buy things like 5* crystals based on the current state of the game, for a reward you get now and can use now, but which has no attached promise that some better option might not appear in the future.

For some players 5* crystals are a huge resource investment, so I understand people want to know that this investment is based on the best possible options which will never change. But that's simply unrealistic in my opinion. No matter what you buy, the possibility that a better option will appear in the future exists, whether that is in MCOC or elsewhere. Your choice to spend has to be governed with that understanding. Compensation implies we deserve not just to exercise the options we have today, but also deserve every future option without incurring the cost of those options. I don't believe that to be true, or even a good idea.

DReckoning

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

I used a Gem on Cable. Now he's in the Crystals. Should I get my Gem back? No.

But isn't your cable a 4*.

GroundedWisdom

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

I used a Gem on Cable. Now he's in the Crystals. Should I get my Gem back? No.

But isn't your cable a 4*.

Not sure what you're implying, but it doesn't matter. How we choose to spend and allocate our Resources is up to us. No one made anyone use the Gems on who we chose to use them on, and no one made anyone buy the offer.

MayhemEffect

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

I used a Gem on Cable. Now he's in the Crystals. Should I get my Gem back? No.

But isn't your cable a 4*.

18. Shaming other players for their in-game decisions or lack of experience within The Contest will not be tolerated. We all start as Noobs, and we may not all agree on best strategies within the game. Constructive debate on these topics is encouraged, but keep it friendly and factual. You're entitled to your opinions as long as they are not insulting, but the fact that you disagree with someone on subjective topics such as strategy or in-game purchases does not mean the other person is wrong.

DReckoning

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

I used a Gem on Cable. Now he's in the Crystals. Should I get my Gem back? No.

But isn't your cable a 4*.

Not sure what you're implying, but it doesn't matter. How we choose to spend and allocate our Resources is up to us. No one made anyone use the Gems on who we chose to use them on, and no one made anyone buy the offer.

Implying what good sir! And the issue is about 5*s no?

GroundedWisdom

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

I used a Gem on Cable. Now he's in the Crystals. Should I get my Gem back? No.

But isn't your cable a 4*.

Not sure what you're implying, but it doesn't matter. How we choose to spend and allocate our Resources is up to us. No one made anyone use the Gems on who we chose to use them on, and no one made anyone buy the offer.

Implying what good sir! And the issue is about 5*s no?

The issue could be about a 10* Thanos, and it would still be someone's choice if they use a Gem on a specific Champ.

SirLagsAlot

I agree with everything BUT the only being able to de-waken just features. That's bias as a mofo. If gem was used it was used. Should not only apply to features.

DReckoning

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

I used a Gem on Cable. Now he's in the Crystals. Should I get my Gem back? No.

But isn't your cable a 4*.

Not sure what you're implying, but it doesn't matter. How we choose to spend and allocate our Resources is up to us. No one made anyone use the Gems on who we chose to use them on, and no one made anyone buy the offer.

Implying what good sir! And the issue is about 5*s no?

The issue could be about a 10* Thanos, and it would still be someone's choice if they use a Gem on a specific Champ.

Except the issue at hand is a 5*. 4*s like your 4* Cable was already established in the first place that once his arena ends in x amount of days he gets added into the general pool of champs.

GroundedWisdom

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

CDNYC wrote: »

I completely agree with this. I was even further KABAMMED by finishing 6 of the Labyrinth of Legends paths in the 2 weeks leading up to the 12.01 patch, after which Labyrinth of Legends became about 1/4 the cost to complete. That's insane depreciation in a 1 week period. (Kabam even responded to my complaint about this saying they understand my frustration and would address it, but then never got back to me and sent me irrelevant, generic responses ever since.)

PLUS, all my 5* shards from Labyrinth of Legends got crappy basic champs. In fact, I'm 1/17 on 5* features lifetime. It's such egregious behavior on Kabam's part that aggressive players like me and the guys around me get screwed for beating content early, only to have kabam depreciate it dramatically overnight to try to score more quick cash from a broader pool of players. At least compensate us when this happens.

THIS DOESNT ONLY APPLY TO AGGRESSIVE PLAYERS. We cannot let this egregious behavior go unaddressed because it affects all players at some point. If you invest any meaningful amount of time and/or money on this game, Kabam will ultimately make you regret it terribly and unnecessarily.

In this particular situation VersusRexAces is right that LOL finishers should get their awakening gems back since the options for using them just improved dramatically. We should also get 30k 5* shards back (not asking for all 45k shards back) for the same reason -- the options for using the shards just got dramatically better very, very quickly.

I used a Gem on Cable. Now he's in the Crystals. Should I get my Gem back? No.

But isn't your cable a 4*.

Not sure what you're implying, but it doesn't matter. How we choose to spend and allocate our Resources is up to us. No one made anyone use the Gems on who we chose to use them on, and no one made anyone buy the offer.

Implying what good sir! And the issue is about 5*s no?

The issue could be about a 10* Thanos, and it would still be someone's choice if they use a Gem on a specific Champ.

Except the issue at hand is a 5*. 4*s like your 4* Cable was already established in the first place that once his arena ends in x amount of days he gets added into the general pool of champs.

As was mentioned, the list of Champs you could roll for was given, and that's what people had to decide to buy. It wasn't stated in the offer that they would never be added to the Crystals. People made their own choice whether they wanted to buy it or not. They're not entitled to compensation because there's a minute possibility of rolling them in the future.

mutamatt

The problem is people need to look at this objectively, but they aren't. For some reason in our culture we are taught to hate the rich, so we liken the whales in this game to them and are happy when they pull SheHulk from the featured crystal. We toss out their legitimate complaints and say that they should not have bought them, they should have known better.

The community has no sympathy for dirty dirty spenders, in their eyes, people like Verus are whats wrong with the game.

When in reality the top spenders pay the bills. They are just looking for an improved game like everyone else. they hate the bugs too.

They were expressly targeted with the 500$ deal last week, but because they are at the top, people like to point and laugh at their misfortune. It is a sad commentary on our society when shady business tactics are not only accepted by a large portion of the community, but actually applauded.

Whats also sad is that no one one the game team has acknowledged any of the complains about this new 5* system.

Shiny new forums and we are just talking to ourselves, ripping each other apart, and no one in the Vancouver office is listening.

KoperBoy

mutamatt wrote: »

The problem is people need to look at this objectively, but they aren't. For some reason in our culture we are taught to hate the rich, so we liken the whales in this game to them and are happy when they pull SheHulk from the featured crystal. We toss out their legitimate complaints and say that they should not have bought them, they should have known better.

The community has no sympathy for dirty dirty spenders, in their eyes, people like Verus are whats wrong with the game.

When in reality the top spenders pay the bills. They are just looking for an improved game like everyone else. they hate the bugs too.

They were expressly targeted with the 500$ deal last week, but because they are at the top, people like to point and laugh at their misfortune. It is a sad commentary on our society when shady business tactics are not only accepted by a large portion of the community, but actually applauded.

Whats also sad is that no one one the game team has acknowledged any of the complains about this new 5* system.

Shiny new forums and we are just talking to ourselves, ripping each other apart, and no one in the Vancouver office is listening.

Most of the guys that are laughing at spenders would buy the offer if they had as much money as spenders have. When $500 is a small fraction of your salary, you don't think twice before buying it.

GroundedWisdom

mutamatt wrote: »

The problem is people need to look at this objectively, but they aren't. For some reason in our culture we are taught to hate the rich, so we liken the whales in this game to them and are happy when they pull SheHulk from the featured crystal. We toss out their legitimate complaints and say that they should not have bought them, they should have known better.

The community has no sympathy for dirty dirty spenders, in their eyes, people like Verus are whats wrong with the game.

When in reality the top spenders pay the bills. They are just looking for an improved game like everyone else. they hate the bugs too.

They were expressly targeted with the 500$ deal last week, but because they are at the top, people like to point and laugh at their misfortune. It is a sad commentary on our society when shady business tactics are not only accepted by a large portion of the community, but actually applauded.

Whats also sad is that no one one the game team has acknowledged any of the complains about this new 5* system.

Shiny new forums and we are just talking to ourselves, ripping each other apart, and no one in the Vancouver office is listening.

Has nothing to do with bias based on spending habits. It's people not taking responsibility for their own choices and expecting compensation for every change that comes in a game that is always changing.

Sith_Lord

"I used a Gem on Cable. Now he's in the Crystals. Should I get my Gem back? No."

The gem you used on your Cable, was a 4* awakening gem, used for a 4* champ that is only at rank 4. The gems that we used were a 5* gem, used for a 5* champ that is at rank 4, & can only be attained for beating the hardest content currently in the game. Huge difference, man. This is not knocking you either, but 4* gems are more easily attained than 5* gems.

I agree with Code/Versus on this. But... If Kabam is not willing to do this, I feel that the 5* Classic Ultron from LOL should gain a buff. Kabam can leave him how he is right now, but add a regen buff to him, like the AOU version of Ultron. After all, the classic version is 20x stronger in the comics than the AOU one. It would make sense since many of us who beat LOL 100% didn't do it cheap, & would also make an exclusive champ that cannot be attained anywhere else in the game live up to it's name/feature.

KoperBoy

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Has nothing to do with bias based on spending habits. It's people not taking responsibility for their own choices and expecting compensation for every change that comes in a game that is always changing.

So what is your stand on december deals, where people bought awakening gems and sig stones? A lot of them purchased them to awake one of the god tier champs, only to see them nerfed two months after. Kabam knew about the change and made an offer anyway. I'm curious how can you justify this.

GroundedWisdom

Sith_Lord wrote: »

"I used a Gem on Cable. Now he's in the Crystals. Should I get my Gem back? No."

The gem you used on your Cable, was a 4* awakening gem, used for a 4* champ that is only at rank 4. The gems that we used were a 5* gem, used for a 5* champ that is at rank 4, & can only be attained for beating the hardest content currently in the game. Huge difference, man. This is not knocking you either, but 4* gems are more easily attained than 5* gems.

I agree with Code/Versus on this. But... If Kabam is not willing to do this, I feel that the 5* Classic Ultron from LOL should gain a buff. Kabam can leave him how he is right now, but add a regen buff to him, like the AOU version of Ultron. After all, the classic version is 20x stronger in the comics than the AOU one. It would make sense since may of us who beat LOL 100% didn't do it cheap, & would also make an exclusive champ that cannot be attained anywhere else in the game live up to it's name/feature.

Did I mention the Rank of my Cable?
It's the general point that people choose who they use their own Gems on. The game has no control over that.

DReckoning

Sith_Lord wrote: »

"I used a Gem on Cable. Now he's in the Crystals. Should I get my Gem back? No."

The gem you used on your Cable, was a 4* awakening gem, used for a 4* champ that is only at rank 4. The gems that we used were a 5* gem, used for a 5* champ that is at rank 4, & can only be attained for beating the hardest content currently in the game. Huge difference, man. This is not knocking you either, but 4* gems are more easily attained than 5* gems.

I agree with Code/Versus on this. But... If Kabam is not willing to do this, I feel that the 5* Classic Ultron from LOL should gain a buff. Kabam can leave him how he is right now, but add a regen buff to him, like the AOU version of Ultron. After all, the classic version is 20x stronger in the comics than the AOU one. It would make sense since may of us who beat LOL 100% didn't do it cheap, & would also make an exclusive champ that cannot be attained anywhere else in the game live up to it's name/feature.

Never understood why that ultron didn't get self-heal in the first place.

mutamatt

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Sith_Lord wrote: »

"I used a Gem on Cable. Now he's in the Crystals. Should I get my Gem back? No."

The gem you used on your Cable, was a 4* awakening gem, used for a 4* champ that is only at rank 4. The gems that we used were a 5* gem, used for a 5* champ that is at rank 4, & can only be attained for beating the hardest content currently in the game. Huge difference, man. This is not knocking you either, but 4* gems are more easily attained than 5* gems.

I agree with Code/Versus on this. But... If Kabam is not willing to do this, I feel that the 5* Classic Ultron from LOL should gain a buff. Kabam can leave him how he is right now, but add a regen buff to him, like the AOU version of Ultron. After all, the classic version is 20x stronger in the comics than the AOU one. It would make sense since may of us who beat LOL 100% didn't do it cheap, & would also make an exclusive champ that cannot be attained anywhere else in the game live up to it's name/feature.

Did I mention the Rank of my Cable?
It's the general point that people choose who they use their own Gems on. The game has no control over that.

yeah, point is it would be different if you were under the supported assumption that you would NEVER be able to dupe your Cable in a crystal, EVER.

Does that change your thinking?

Riegel

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

mutamatt wrote: »

The problem is people need to look at this objectively, but they aren't. For some reason in our culture we are taught to hate the rich, so we liken the whales in this game to them and are happy when they pull SheHulk from the featured crystal. We toss out their legitimate complaints and say that they should not have bought them, they should have known better.

The community has no sympathy for dirty dirty spenders, in their eyes, people like Verus are whats wrong with the game.

When in reality the top spenders pay the bills. They are just looking for an improved game like everyone else. they hate the bugs too.

They were expressly targeted with the 500$ deal last week, but because they are at the top, people like to point and laugh at their misfortune. It is a sad commentary on our society when shady business tactics are not only accepted by a large portion of the community, but actually applauded.

Whats also sad is that no one one the game team has acknowledged any of the complains about this new 5* system.

Shiny new forums and we are just talking to ourselves, ripping each other apart, and no one in the Vancouver office is listening.

Has nothing to do with bias based on spending habits. It's people not taking responsibility for their own choices and expecting compensation for every change that comes in a game that is always changing.

How do you take responsibility for someone who told you to buy this thing that's super awesome, but didn't tell you its awesomeness literally expires in two weeks?