Champions that should be tagged as Dimensional Beings
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Mordo - pulls/channels power from other dimensions. SP3 moves champions into Mirror Dimension
Nightcrawler - His father is a Demon and every time he teleports he opens a portal into a different Dimension
Unstoppable Colossus - Powered by the demonic gem of Cyttorak (Dimensional Being)
Juggernaut - Powered by the demonic gem of Cyttorak (Dimensional Being)
Nightcrawler - His father is a Demon and every time he teleports he opens a portal into a different Dimension
Unstoppable Colossus - Powered by the demonic gem of Cyttorak (Dimensional Being)
Juggernaut - Powered by the demonic gem of Cyttorak (Dimensional Being)
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Regardless he isn’t a dimensional mutant
She has ruled over demons and the Limbo dimension in the comics. She was basically the queen of hell.
Then there goes his powers
True but while he is using it, then it effects, unless they give him a new move where takes it off, but blade would just take him out lol
I'm not sure there is a great definition of one. The list of champions tagged to be a dimensional being seems to be Dormammu, Mephisto, Morningstar, Hood, Ghost Rider, and Magik.
My best guess is that a dimensional being is one that can be considered a native of an extradimensional plane. Although Magik was originally born on Earth, she lived in Limbo for years and ruled it as its queen, making her a reasonable native of Limbo. And while the mortal form of Ghost Rider is usually human, the actual GR being is an extradimensional demon.
It gets iffy for Morningstar and Hood. Technically, deep in the backstory for Hood it is said that he is sometimes possessed by Dormammu. Presumably that is the form he takes when he uses SP3. So it could be said that he is *sometimes* a dimensional being, at least the version of him that is in the game is. Morningstar requires a small leap: you have to assume that the form Morningstar currently takes is not her original form empowered by Mephisto, but actually a form created by Mephisto for her soul to inhabit. That would make her body a construct of Mephisto, and thus a dimensional being.
That is subtly different from Juggernaut who is empowered by Cyttorak but is not possessed by an extradimensional being nor is he a construct of an extradimensional being.
Nightcrawler appears to be the anti-Magik. Magik is a human born on Earth but because she spent her formative years in Limbo and ruled it as a native, she can be considered an extradimensional native. However, depending on sources, Nightcrawler is the son of Azazel who comes from a race of human mutants who were exiled to another dimension. Because Nightcrawler is biologically human (a human mutant) and because he was himself raised on Earth and has lived his entire life basically in the Earth dimension, he is not considered an extradimensional being.
An extradimensional being (for the purposes of this discussion) appears to have to be one of the following: a member of a race of natively extradimensional beings that actually have a significant connection to that dimension, a being that lived as a native in another dimension and is significantly empowered by it, or fundamentally an extradimensional construct.
Nightcrawler is not a native of another dimension and while his father is, his father is not a member of a race of extradimensional beings. If my mother moved to Limbo and then gave birth to me there but I was raised on Earth, I would not be an extradimensional being under MCOC rules as they currently appear. However, if my father was Mephisto, then maybe I would be. Azazel is essentially a descendant of an exiled Earthling, so his children are not automatically extradimensional beings under this theory.
The Phoenix force is an energy being that lives in the Earth dimension, so I don't think it would count as an extradimensional being. It is a cosmic being, but not from an alternate dimension (in the game).
@DNA3000 ok gotcha. Didnt she exist in different time dimensions? Maybe not. Or it could be that she is eternal and existed in just the one time dimension.
I think you are misremembering. First of all, the Phoenix does not get her power from the Sun. The Phoenix is a cosmic force that, depending on which version of the story you're going off of, either inhabits or takes the form of the person of Phoenix. The Phoenix force is indestructible and essentially omnipotent, which is why flying into the Sun doesn't harm her. In the comic books, the Phoenix destroys a star during the Dark Phoenix story line. In the animated series, if I recall correctly, the Phoenix flew into the Sun to hide the M'kraan crystal.
In either case, for obvious reasons essentially omnipotent and invulnerable characters are going to be modified for the game. Phoenix, Ghost Rider, Mephisto, and Dormammu all fall into this category.
I have to emphasize: Phoenix, along with Ghost Rider, Dormammu, and Mephisto, should not be immune to incinerate based on their comic book status. They should be utterly immune to all forms of material damage. The only thing that can kill those beings is a comic book author that wants them dead.
I don't think alternate timelines are considered extra dimensional in either the comic books or the game. This gets hazy, and this is comic book physics not physics physics, but the term "extra dimensional" usually refers to an alternate plane of existence. Alternative timelines are usually considered alternate versions of the same plane of existence.
Both Cable and Old Man Logan come from alternate timelines, but those timelines exist within the same basic "version" of reality. That's considered different from Limbo, the Dark Dimension, and other completely different realms of reality.
The Phoenix and the Phoenix force is probably one of the most retconned things in all of comic book history. So it is difficult to say which of the things said about it in the past are still relevant to the things said in the present, and in other media. One definite constant, though, is that it takes a literal cosmic amount of power to so much as make a dent in it/her, and even then the only real way to defeat it is to cause it to choose to give up rather than expend the energy necessary to stop you.
The Phoenix in various forms has been shown to be comparable in power to the Celestials, Galactus, pre-retcon Beyonder. On the other hand, sometimes she trips on the sidewalk. That's the problem with reading too close to the lines in comic books.
Well then, that make Gwenpool and Punisher 2099 and a bunch of others dimensional beings. I don't think that's in line with the intent of the power.
However, I do think that it should cover Nightcrawler, Juggs, and UC. He should sense the dimensional presence.
There's no "formal" definition of "dimension" in Marvel comics, but we can take reasonable guesses as to what the phrase "dimensional being" means given the champs that were tagged as such.
Its not like the phrase "dimensional being" is a thing that we can judge whether Kabam is using the term correctly. But we can see if the things they call dimensional beings appears to be self-consistent. But if anyone decides to check to see if Kabam is following their own personal preconceived notions of what a dimensional being is, they'll likely be disappointed.