Scarlett Witch silent nerf

It appears to me SW has been nerfed again. Here crits are less than usual. Her sp2 dmg has been reduced and sp2 crit chance. I fought winter soldier like i always do. Her sp2 crited 10 times out of 20 and her highest dmg was17k. Before the patch i was criting on a sp2 18 out of 20 times with dmg between 20 and 25k..

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SonOfGwyn

It’s called RNG bud

Kocheese

Nope, mine is still amazing. Rolling through 5.3

danielmath

I wish people wouldn't even respond to these type of threads so they wouldn't be at the top of the page (of course, here i am doing it)

Drummer16

Noticed this a while ago...used to get 32k crits on SW sp2 at rank 4 with 1 fury and a cruelty. Sometime after I R5ed her, they nerfed her, and I noticed my r5 damage had at some point become lower than SW r4.

Today, I saw a 7k crit with just a cruelty buff. Even at r4, I never saw any s2 that were that low of damage unless the person I was fighting had really high armor. This was against a storm in the arena...I was like wtf do they keep lowering her damage for?

Armaganon00

I put a full crit team to test. Against winter soldier i was 17k if it crited. My max was a 30k once. I used to range from 20 to 25k on almost every sp2.. Now she will crit 1 out of 4. Her sp2 is supposed to have increased chance to crit. If this is a bug please fix it.

mum_m2

Just no

Armaganon00

@Kabam Miike can you please look into this?
Her sp2 dmg has been reduced to close to 70%.

Before the patch on a standard crit with no buff she was doing 10k with a max of 25k with buffs. Now im hitting 2k with a max of 13k. I can provide recordings if needed.

cUbA_LiBrE

Mine is still amazing. R4 and a strandard Crit of 12k with the SP2.

IJsmuts

Same here with my r5.. @Kabam Miike please answer

buggysitehaveaccont

do sp2 once they got weakness and 20k plus dmg is comon

charaderdude2

Lowest I got with my r4 was 4k,Highest was 24k.

Mwhitaker23

last week I got a couple stacks of furies and cruelty buffs on sw and her special 2 did 48k damage for me running through 5.3

Snizzbar

I got 34k damage on SW SP2 earlier this week. Still doesn't seem to happen as often though

The1_NuclearOnion

I only see the issue in AQ map 5 and 4.
Everywhere else she is insane for me. 5/50 max sig.

In AQ, she pretty much never crits and hasn't triggered a regen in 28 rounds now. Used to crit all the time and trigger regen every other match if not every one which an occasional double stack.

I pulled her from aq team for now.

The1_NuclearOnion

For everyone who is responding that this is a dumb post:

You know darn well that if you use something all the time, you get an accurate "feel" for how it performs even if the outcome changes often (RNG), you still get an overall feel for the overall pattern that inevitably forms with all the percentages etc.

If over the course of 20 fights, SW produces random effects, but you see all of them produced within this number of fights and you've been doing this for over a year then you get a feel for that. When she stops producing within this variable you can notice the difference within a day and confirm within a week for certain.

I get in my wife's car recently, which she drives most of the time, and I can feel a little chimmey in the wheel that I don't remember the last time I drove it. I take into consideration the random bumps in the road, the random issues that the car can produce, her account of what it drives like usually, and my ability to remember what it "should" feel like driving and still rightly determine that she had a bad tire and alignment issue. Now it's fixed.

Same idea applies to the use of these champs. You can know when something is off, even with RNG.

Shrimkins

Feelings aren't facts. Facts are facts.

Snizzbar

Shrimkins wrote: »

Feelings aren't facts. Facts are facts.

Doesn't always make feelings wrong though

The1_NuclearOnion

Shrimkins wrote: »

Feelings aren't facts. Facts are facts.

Feelings aren't facts but they can be very strong "alarm systems" that get us to investigate the facts.
Your comment makes it sound like you've never played sports or competed in anything where you have to make fast decisions based on the combination of learned behavior (practice, facts) as well as anticipation and intuition (feeling). Race car drivers, MMA, gymnastics, golf, you name it and they use both brother.
With facts only, you can be 100% right about half the there is to know and cut off a more complete view if you're not careful.

That's is free relationship advice for you too. Now go validate you spouses feelings. They exist. Fact.

Kestrelle

Shrimkins wrote: »

Feelings aren't facts. Facts are facts.

Feelings are what often lead to null hypotheses, experiments, and data collection. Similarly, data collection leads to knowledge/facts, and that leads to the immediate ability to determine when something "feels" different from those facts

Shrimkins

The1_NuclearOnion wrote: »

Shrimkins wrote: »

Feelings aren't facts. Facts are facts.

Feelings aren't facts but they can be very strong "alarm systems" that get us to investigate the facts.
Your comment makes it sound like you've never played sports or competed in anything where you have to make fast decisions based on the combination of learned behavior (practice, facts) as well as anticipation and intuition (feeling). Race car drivers, MMA, gymnastics, golf, you name it and they use both brother.
With facts only, you can be 100% right about half the there is to know and cut off a more complete view if you're not careful.

That's is free relationship advice for you too. Now go validate you spouses feelings. They exist. Fact.

Played multiple competitive sports and I'm happily married. I refuse to validate feelings that aren't rooted in reality. Can feelings be useful indicators of reality? Sometimes yes. Sometimes they are completely based on preconceived ideas and beliefs that have no connection to reality.

My point is feelings can't be trusted. You want people to believe your claims? Gather data.

Shrimkins

Kestrelle wrote: »

Shrimkins wrote: »

Feelings aren't facts. Facts are facts.

Feelings are what often lead to null hypotheses, experiments, and data collection. Similarly, data collection leads to knowledge/facts, and that leads to the immediate ability to determine when something "feels" different from those facts

This is the most asinine thing I've read in awhile. Contemplation, beliefs, observation, and sadly, money is what leads to hypotheses.

CloserByTomorrow

Guys the “silent scarlet witch nerf” threads have been on the forums for like 2-3 years. There used to be dozens of them a month. Get used to it. That’s just how she performs. You may think there’s consistency to her, and there probably should be for that matter. But there just isn’t. That’s not an opinion.

you think she’s bad now? Pre 12.0 she used to crit for 60-70k. 80-90k if you were lucky. The first guy to do lab used her. Or you could have 4 fury and 4 cruelty and not crit at all. It’s just the way she is. Complete hit or miss

CloserByTomorrow

Shrimkins wrote: »

Feelings aren't facts. Facts are facts.

This is obviously just a troll. Why do people even respond to things like this?
Ignore it

LoPresti

omG u R righT!!! last Night I had 2 crits in 1 fight and now I only had 1!!!!!! F*CK THESE STAELTH NERFS!!!!111

Kocheese

I'm going to have to redact my earlier statement after playing with her more. She used to get upwards of 32k on her special two, now it never really goes over 20, no matter how many criticals I have

LoPresti

Kocheese wrote: »

I'm going to have to redact my earlier statement after playing with her more. She used to get upwards of 32k on her special two, now it never really goes over 20, no matter how many criticals I have

It also depends on how many buffs (fury/precision/etc) you have, and how many armor breaks your opponent has.

Kocheese

True. My masteries are set for maximum in those areas

SomeoneElse

I don’t have SW, but this may not be specific to her. I have noticed that some of my champs don’t seem to be triggering their abilities as reliably as they used to. Yes, it’s random, but you can get a general sense of what is normal over time.

It may work the other way too. I have noticed some champs stacking more debuffs then I ever saw before. This is much more rare though. (Of course, because it works in my favor.)

It seems like they changed the RNG algorithm a few versions back. It wouldn’t be the first time they have made changes without telling us. It seems like every version has tweaks to the timing or RNG that messes us up.

It is pointless to tell us to gather data. We don’t have access to the code. We don’t have access to game statistics to tell us how often buff/debuffs/crits are triggering on average. All we can do is speak up when champions don’t seem to work they way they used to.

The1_NuclearOnion

Shrimkins wrote: »

The1_NuclearOnion wrote: »

Shrimkins wrote: »

Feelings aren't facts. Facts are facts.

Feelings aren't facts but they can be very strong "alarm systems" that get us to investigate the facts.
Your comment makes it sound like you've never played sports or competed in anything where you have to make fast decisions based on the combination of learned behavior (practice, facts) as well as anticipation and intuition (feeling). Race car drivers, MMA, gymnastics, golf, you name it and they use both brother.
With facts only, you can be 100% right about half the there is to know and cut off a more complete view if you're not careful.

That's is free relationship advice for you too. Now go validate you spouses feelings. They exist. Fact.

Played multiple competitive sports and I'm happily married. I refuse to validate feelings that aren't rooted in reality. Can feelings be useful indicators of reality? Sometimes yes. Sometimes they are completely based on preconceived ideas and beliefs that have no connection to reality.

My point is feelings can't be trusted. You want people to believe your claims? Gather data.

Presuppositions can do the exact same thing to "facts" or more aptly " raw information". Evolutionary biology does it all the time. Ex: living things never come from non-living things.

Now Back on OPs point for reals.......

Fact: Some people are saying that something is not operating right with Scarlet for them as they are used to. I concur that it seems her triggers are not the same as I have been used to, having been playing her maxed for a year now. That's it man. If you don't have this issue then move on!
We are still gather the facts for troubleshooting and one the most effective ways is to ask others if they notice too in order to widen the information pool. Sheesh.

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