Anyone else think Werewyrm got a bit screwed here?

Jgoody723 · October 2021

Kabam Miike said:

leviddleton said:

Kabam Miike said:

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.
Except…. In your statement about it earlier you said, and I quote “ The bug was not caught until the series was over, but due to the fact that we do not believe it would have changed the outcome in selecting the winner, we did not re-do the series.”

Sooo…. Is it he chose a great counter and could have done it but lost due to a bug, OR is it “we do not believe this would have changed the outcome…”???

What a complete and total mess, and it is being double-talked out of the conversation. In my opinion.
The outcome of the fight wouldn't have affected the outcome of the entire series, where Happy McMuffins swept all of his fights. We're not happy about this either, but made the decision to move forward since it was not noticed until the entire series had wrapped.

That’s not at all true. Had there not been the bug with miles and he proved to be a viable option for fights, he probably wins that first round. Secondly had there not been the bug with miles, he’s probably used in the second round against happy which could have completely changed the outcome.
Ps… the scoring methods that were established for this was bs. Winning because you died first shouldn’t get you more points.

GroundedWisdom · October 2021

leviddleton said:

GroundedWisdom said:

AKKKTEK said:

Kabam Miike said:

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.
Still not fair 👎! Your bug made him lose.This gave unfair advantage to opponent.
They understand that it's unfair, but there really is no solution at this point that isn't unfair to the other participants.
Sorry dude, but “not fair to that guy? Tough. He’s out. Gotta be fair to those guys, so this guy gets a raw deal”, that’s not it chief.

That's not what I said at all. If you're nullifying everyone else's efforts after the fact, that's equally as unfair. It sucks, no doubt. I feel for him. You still have to take into account the competition as a whole.

GroundedWisdom · October 2021

Do you expect them to redo the entire Round after Winners have been crowned?

LilMaddogHT · October 2021

What is also sad on top of @Werewrym getting shafted by the bug and Kabam acting like it would not have mattered (right... - who knows what would have happened in the 3rd fight)... Kabam can't get his name right (Werewrym) for the life of them...

Original Twitter post spelt wrong:

Then both Diggity Dave and Kabam John saying "Where worm" over and over. 😅. It's pronounced like "Where rim"

Markjv81 · October 2021

Happy shouldn’t have even won the second match against I’m Bleh, potentially shouldn’t have even been in the final.

Gamer · October 2021

Kabam Miike said:

leviddleton said:

Kabam Miike said:

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.
Except…. In your statement about it earlier you said, and I quote “ The bug was not caught until the series was over, but due to the fact that we do not believe it would have changed the outcome in selecting the winner, we did not re-do the series.”

Sooo…. Is it he chose a great counter and could have done it but lost due to a bug, OR is it “we do not believe this would have changed the outcome…”???

What a complete and total mess, and it is being double-talked out of the conversation. In my opinion.
The outcome of the fight wouldn't have affected the outcome of the entire series, where Happy McMuffins swept all of his fights. We're not happy about this either, but made the decision to move forward since it was not noticed until the entire series had wrapped.

I’m seriously dubt and start to not hav faithful in Kabam with your words of course there’s should had been rematch and that’s also giv you times to fixed your scores systems also the spite node has a just stupid in my eys wast as fun to watch as last year where’s where what’s that’s sracp ?

Hilbert_unbeatable2 · October 2021

Would love to point out this thing as well
2nd round of I'm bleh vs happy mcmuffins, bleh did more damage than muffins but he post that round cuz of timer. So if u die soon u get more points?
This is terrible stuff, I suppose the damage dealt should be primary measure

Hilbert_unbeatable2 · October 2021

Is it only me who's confused with this?

AverageDesi · October 2021

H3t3r said:

Werewrym said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:
Look, the kid lost a video game contest. No lives were lost. Don't act like this is the end of the world.
On the one hand, I agree with you. It really is just a game and sometimes stuff happens. On the other hand, this is the most competitive thing in the game and we all are here becuase we take this game seriously, so its a shame that a bug interfered with my possible chances of winning. Kabam was super nice to me about the whole thing and gave me compensation for it, so I'm not mad, or upset, just disappointed.

I will probably do a write up later about my experience with the summoner showdown (which on the whole was a positive one).
What was the compensation if I may ask?

NDA probably?

AverageDesi · October 2021

Hilbert_unbeatable2 said:

Is it only me who's confused with this?

This happened during the Asia's too. Just one match so many didn't notice

Hilbert_unbeatable2 · October 2021

AverageDesi said:

Hilbert_unbeatable2 said:

Is it only me who's confused with this?
This happened during the Asia's too. Just one match so many didn't notice

Yes very hurtful tbh

leviddleton · October 2021

Kabam Miike said:

leviddleton said:

Kabam Miike said:

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.
Except…. In your statement about it earlier you said, and I quote “ The bug was not caught until the series was over, but due to the fact that we do not believe it would have changed the outcome in selecting the winner, we did not re-do the series.”

Sooo…. Is it he chose a great counter and could have done it but lost due to a bug, OR is it “we do not believe this would have changed the outcome…”???

What a complete and total mess, and it is being double-talked out of the conversation. In my opinion.
The outcome of the fight wouldn't have affected the outcome of the entire series, where Happy McMuffins swept all of his fights. We're not happy about this either, but made the decision to move forward since it was not noticed until the entire series had wrapped.

Well, this didn’t age well.

DrDrill · October 2021

lol, did they deleted werewyrm's post?

BitterSteel · October 2021

DrDrill said:
lol, did they deleted werewyrm's post?

It’s 6 posts below this thread

kubricknolan · October 2021

@Kabam Miike This scoring is better be fixed in the new 1v1 mode. it just doesn't make sense. The fighting time only should come into play if both players defeated the opponent or took down same percentage of health.

RetroRocks · October 2021

I’m really impressed with the players in the showdown. Great attitude, amazing skills.
The problem is how horrendous the tournament was run.
Fights were clearly awarded to the wrong competitor, as the scoring system was a mess/plain insanity/obviously wrong. I just can’t believe you get more points for being killed quicker, it’s unbelievably stupid. Why? How? What? It’s the opposite of skill. Just 15 mins with a pen and paper and any player can come up with something better.

I don’t understand why kabam weren’t embarrassed to show it. Surely everyone watching just thought it looked so unprofessional that kabam don’t understand their own game to the point they can’t run their own game mode! It’s a multi million dollar generating game, how can it be so badly run? Where have all the clever people gone that set this game up?
The inmates are running the asylum.
Who runs this madness!?!?
I can only imagine what dorky and John actually wanted to say in commentary, the poor guys having to commentate on that and not allowed to apologise to the players.

Tbh, my biggest concern is the Game mode was not great, with fights sometimes won/lost dependant by AI interaction rather than true drafting and fight skill.
I just feel so sorry for the guys who poured hours of effort into it, and kabams setup made it not a fun fight to watch. Great players, but a huge opportunity missed to showcase some amazing fights.
Every player had insane skill, but it’s almost to the point it’s overshadowed by kabams dodgy implementation, as always.
Please guys, if something is clearly broke or not very good - just fix it, stop running with whatever you happen to have at the time.
last years tournament was great, I hope they rewatch it and realise where they went wrong this year.

Jeal79 · October 2021

Just on the scoring system, I think I know a solution. Hear me out...

There's a slight problem even using fight time as a tie break. It's geared to score higher the shorter the fight (assumedly an oversight which automatically assumed the attacker would win). Now even if this were a tie-breaker it would still seem unfair. Both challengers do equal damage to the defender but the guy who dies fastest wins via tie-break? That still doesn't sound right... So here's the proposition...

There's 3 score measures:
- Att health
- Def Health
- Time
There's 3 fight outcomes:
- Attacker KO
- Defender KO
- Timeout

These tie up nicely so that whatever the outcome, you can be scored on 2 factors. If you timeout, you score on both health bars, if you win you score on own health & time, if you lose you score on Def health & time...

Here's the bit they got wrong... If you win, speed of victory should be a point scoring bonus. If you lose then speed of defeat should be a PENALTY DEDUCTION.

So here's how those 3 outcomes would be scored:

1) ATTACKER KO:
(null measure) = Att health remaining
Points awarded for Def health lost
Points deducted for speed of defeat

2) DEFENDER KO:
(null measure) = Def Health remaining
Points awarded for Att health remaining
Points awarded for speed of victory

3) TIMEOUT
(null measure) = Speed of fight
Points awarded for Att health remaining
Points awarded for Def health lost

I feel this could work and the main problem witnessed with using the clock as a scoring mechanism was that it hadn't been thought out what the consequence would be if the Attacker died. All it needed to be in this instance was a penalty and not a bonus.

Searmenis · October 2021

Was my post against forum rules somehow and got DELETED?

Syndicated · October 2021

off Topic:

I really loved how Kabam team decided to give more points when you die faster without HP left on enemy Relevance.

This showdown is really sad.

Seraphion · October 2021

Hilbert_unbeatable2 said:

Is it only me who's confused with this?

This is such a joke. With big fails like this kabam really looks my amateurs with the whole PvP.

And don't even start with the nodes.

KarmaConnect · October 2021

@Kabam Miike Fight Duration should only be considered when an attacker beats the defender 100% as an aditional bonus score. If they didnt beat the defender, it should be 0.

Anyone else think Werewyrm got a bit screwed here?

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