Hawkeye Power Control: Buff or Nerf?

SkyLord7000SkyLord7000 Posts: 2,887 ★★★★★
With the current spotlight there has been some controversy with how good Hawkeyes new power control mechanic will be. Personally, it seems like a buff with how aggressively I’d use it if I ranked him. Of course, paper stats don’t tell us everything but while we are waiting for the buff to go live let us know your thoughts. :)

Hawkeye Power Control: Buff or Nerf? 94 votes

Buffed with rework
35%
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Nerfed with rework
44%
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I’m a disobedient forum user that always picks option 3
20%
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Comments

  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 7,041 ★★★★★
    I don’t think we can say either way definitively on this one until it goes live.

    I’m pretty heavily leaning towards buff, but we will see when it goes live.
  • HoitadoHoitado Posts: 3,419 ★★★★★
    Buffed with rework
    It sounds pretty good for me
  • TerraTerra Posts: 6,043 ★★★★★
    I’m a disobedient forum user that always picks option 3
    Can't say until the buff goes live.

    It's definetly a buff, especially with him getting more damage.
    I wonder if the Tigra synergy will remain unchanged, with Crit Poisons maybe 🧐
  • Mobile_P0tat0Mobile_P0tat0 Posts: 719 ★★★★
    Buffed with rework
    His power control is slightly worse, his damage and utility is greatly increased. His kit looks solid and I'm excited to try him out.
  • TeddersTedders Posts: 107 ★★
    his sp1 is worse and the sp2 and sp3 are better, his bleed damage not awakened is much worse, awakened we will see how powerful those critical bleeds are.....if he can critical poison with the tigra synergy then i might rank him up
  • ShadowstrikeShadowstrike Posts: 1,677 ★★★★
    Buffed with rework

    So it's, under absolute optimal circumstances...

    old: 40% of the entire power bar (120% of a bar)

    new: 75% of a bar (25% of the entire bar), and 50% for eight to twelve seconds?

    Say you landed exactly ten hits in those seconds of Suppression, and those ten hits generate an entire bar of power.

    Assuming that a power bar is, say, 3000 units:

    old: takes 1200 units, gives 1000 units in those ten hits. Overall -200.

    New: Takes 750, gives 500. Overall -250.

    Maybe my use of maths is totally wrong here, but in this case it is actually better.

    I don't know how many hits you can actually land in the seconds of Suppression, or how reliable it is to get max duration Suppression, but the Suppression is a flat 50% power rate decrease regardless of length, so uh...

    There's also the chance you won't manage to land enough hits for the Suppression to affect much, but they're gaining less power from you hitting their block IIRC

    Maybe someone else can make better sense of this?

    They're angry because they actually have to try to keep the power down rather than just spamming sp1
  • Pdogg614Pdogg614 Posts: 73
    Buffed with rework
    This is nonsense, it’s absolutely a buff. With the added suppression it is going to balance if you stay aggressive which is clearly how his kit is going to want you to play with pausing the bleeds.

    Not sure why everyone cry’s nerf… I know he was once decent but who really uses him? These ppl who cry nerf are guaranteed weren’t touching him on their roster. If u need power control would u use him over magik/doom… not a chance. His power control is going to be good but more to keep ppl off as many specials not to deal with power gain, I’m thinking more like a hybrid punisher 2099 and actual power control champ.

    Last I checked crit bleeds are amazing and being able to guarantee em when u master him and also keep em paused. He’s gonna be amazing and ppl will absolutely use him now. That’s the point of these buffs to give him a new life right?

    Really tho I had no desire to rank mine before and now I’ve already started ranking him as he looks fun as hell and will be decent too. Is he gonna be top tier skill maybe not but time will tell how good he ends up being. Will he be marginal like now I don’t think so at all.
  • ErcarretErcarret Posts: 1,374 ★★★★
    Buffed with rework
    It will depend on a couple of things, but I think two things are worth pointing out:

    1) We don't know if those suppression debuffs stack. If they do, you can probably lock down opponents much easier than you can currently. -50% defensive combat power gain x2 sounds very much like they won't get any power whatsoever from your strikes, which would be insane.

    2) He now has power control through both power drain and a debuff, meaning he can be useful in more scenarios. If an opponent is immune to power drain or a node prevents their power from being drained, he can still shut them down fairly effectively through his suppression debuff. Even more so if they stack.

    It might turn out to be a bad swap but I'm currently leaning towards it being a really intriguing change.
  • TerraTerra Posts: 6,043 ★★★★★
    I’m a disobedient forum user that always picks option 3

    Seems to me any time we don’t just get major damage and power control by smashing the attack button we automatically call the champ a failure.

    Spidey 2099 was a noodle - until…..

    This. Oh god this.
    People will warm up eventually, it's always like this with champs receiving buffs. The community always reacts the same.
  • ShadowstrikeShadowstrike Posts: 1,677 ★★★★
    Buffed with rework
    Terra said:

    Seems to me any time we don’t just get major damage and power control by smashing the attack button we automatically call the champ a failure.

    Spidey 2099 was a noodle - until…..

    This. Oh god this.
    People will warm up eventually, it's always like this with champs receiving buffs. The community always reacts the same.
    It's literally becoming the trend every month we go through this. At this point I wouldn't even put any faith in the threads complaining about how somebody looks on paper because with the notable exception of guillotine, even if you weren't getting ridiculous amounts of damage, you still found a use for them and I understand people hate Niche utility but sometimes that's how it's got to be because you can't just use the same five champions for everything. Especially if they're tied up in Alliance War or Alliance Quest.
  • KyriosRaisKyriosRais Posts: 35
    Buffed with rework
    the poll result shows how toxic this community has gone regarding the buff program. Cause of kabam betray them with guillotine "buff", now the poison is contagious just because one bad heart breaking buff.
  • BinkPlayzBinkPlayz Posts: 82 ★★
    I’m a disobedient forum user that always picks option 3
    option 3 really should've been waiting until live testing is done, since the flat power drain looks worse yet the new suppression add on could make it stronger, again, waiting for live testing
  • FluffyPigMonsterFluffyPigMonster Posts: 1,928 ★★★★★
    Buffed with rework

    the poll result shows how toxic this community has gone regarding the buff program. Cause of kabam betray them with guillotine "buff", now the poison is contagious just because one bad heart breaking buff.

    I took Guilly to war vs a mixmaster Terrax. When she had the pain link on she melted him.

    Point is we have no patience if the champ doesn’t do 97 million damage on paper
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Posts: 1,564 ★★★★
    edited November 2021
    Nerfed with rework

    the poll result shows how toxic this community has gone regarding the buff program. Cause of kabam betray them with guillotine "buff", now the poison is contagious just because one bad heart breaking buff.

    I took Guilly to war vs a mixmaster Terrax. When she had the pain link on she melted him.

    Point is we have no patience if the champ doesn’t do 97 million damage on paper
    I'm sure that's the case for a handful of people, but I'm also not calling a champ a rousing success because through trial and error we found a handful of situations where they're as good as the alternatives. Will Spidey 2099 still be a beastly non-noodle once Kabam quits spamming Unstoppable and True Strike... Nevermind, they'll never stop spamming those.

    I voted nerf because the pd is straight up worse and people are tacking on the suppression numbers like they're a done deal and not of variable usefulness and that's only if you can get it. Is it likely to be easier to hit than a parry or the mini-game that people still have problems with?
  • AMS94AMS94 Posts: 339 ★★★
    Nerfed with rework
    In terms of power control only it is a definite nerf....in other areas he has been improved
    Still not the type of rework I wanted fr Hawkeye, but not close to the worst ones we've had
    I still feel Kabam should always try to build over & above what the champ already has & not try to "balance" things
  • KyriosRaisKyriosRais Posts: 35
    Buffed with rework

    the poll result shows how toxic this community has gone regarding the buff program. Cause of kabam betray them with guillotine "buff", now the poison is contagious just because one bad heart breaking buff.

    I took Guilly to war vs a mixmaster Terrax. When she had the pain link on she melted him.

    Point is we have no patience if the champ doesn’t do 97 million damage on paper
    do you have a video ?? please share
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