Stand Your Ground Broken?

How is it possible that my first hit's heavy connects and goes in dealing damage and the second one gets blocked by Stand Your Ground mastery? Doesn't make any sense. Died twice because of it.

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Tx_Quack_Attack6589

That’s exactly how it has always worked

Kurtxz

That’s exactly how it has always worked

No it hasn't. And if it has, it's not logical. How would the opponent be able to block just the second hit, being hit in the face with the first?

AverageDesi

That’s exactly how it has always worked
No it hasn't. And if it has, it's not logical. How would the opponent be able to block just the second hit, being hit in the face with the first?

This has nothing to do with logic but game mechanics and recovery time. You can also do this if you're precise

Searmenis

No, Stand your ground always worked like that. You may resist the first two hits from a Storm's heavy for example, and get hit by the 3rd kick. It's a life saver mastery some times though, way better than having more points to Perfect Block for example.

Tx_Quack_Attack6589

That’s exactly how it has always worked
No it hasn't. And if it has, it's not logical. How would the opponent be able to block just the second hit, being hit in the face with the first?

It’s the same way that doom aura works, when active he becomes stun immune and unstoppable for the LAST hit of sp1 sp2 and heavies. Like i said that’s how stand your ground has always worked never said it made sense.

Kurtxz

No, Stand your ground always worked like that. You may resist the first two hits from a Storm's heavy for example, and get hit by the 3rd kick. It's a life saver mastery some times though, way better than having more points to Perfect Block for example.

I don't think you get what I'm saying: the first hit of my heavy GETS IN, the second one gets Stand Your Ground. How is it possible that Stand Your Ground applies on the second punch after already being hit by the first one?

Searmenis

No, Stand your ground always worked like that. You may resist the first two hits from a Storm's heavy for example, and get hit by the 3rd kick. It's a life saver mastery some times though, way better than having more points to Perfect Block for example.
I don't think you get what I'm saying: the first hit of my heavy GETS IN, the second one gets Stand Your Ground. How is it possible that Stand Your Ground applies on the second punch after already being hit by the first one?

Because even the second hit has a potential of breaking your block. I don't think there's somewhere specified that if a heavy has two or three "parts", hits, that it's the 1st one that can break it

Searmenis

Btw Perfect block is even more rare to happen, I really don't know why people keep having more than one point there. (Even worse than Unfazed that is, lol )

Worknprogress

No, Stand your ground always worked like that. You may resist the first two hits from a Storm's heavy for example, and get hit by the 3rd kick. It's a life saver mastery some times though, way better than having more points to Perfect Block for example.
I don't think you get what I'm saying: the first hit of my heavy GETS IN, the second one gets Stand Your Ground. How is it possible that Stand Your Ground applies on the second punch after already being hit by the first one?
Because even the second hit has a potential of breaking your block. I don't think there's somewhere specified that if a heavy has two or three "parts", hits, that it's the 1st one that can break it

This. Every hit of a heavy has a chance of being broken

Kurtxz

No, Stand your ground always worked like that. You may resist the first two hits from a Storm's heavy for example, and get hit by the 3rd kick. It's a life saver mastery some times though, way better than having more points to Perfect Block for example.
I don't think you get what I'm saying: the first hit of my heavy GETS IN, the second one gets Stand Your Ground. How is it possible that Stand Your Ground applies on the second punch after already being hit by the first one?
Because even the second hit has a potential of breaking your block. I don't think there's somewhere specified that if a heavy has two or three "parts", hits, that it's the 1st one that can break it

I think I made myself clear enough, I don't know why you're talking about breaking the block.
I'm talking about the fact that in a two-hit heavy the first one breaks the block and the second one gets blocked. It shouldn't be happening.
I shouldn't be blocked on the SECOND hit of the heavy after having broken the block with the first one.
They shouldn't have the recovery time to block after being hit.
If you go with a 5 hit combo they don't have the recovery time to block you on your 2nd, 3rd, 4th and last hit. How is it that I hit them with the first part of my heavy and I get blocked on the second one? I'll said it once again: this shouldn't be happening.

Ps: the screenshots are not in order. The order is 4-1, 3-2. So, as you can see, they recover from the first hit and I get Stand Tour Ground.

phil56201

She Hulk's heavy attack is slow enough between the 2 hits making it possible to recover and block the second hit in time to trigger stand your ground. Did you do parry/heavy in the examples above? Since you're in arena, it's very likely your opponent has 1 or more points in limber, making the recovery time even shorter.

Worknprogress

No, Stand your ground always worked like that. You may resist the first two hits from a Storm's heavy for example, and get hit by the 3rd kick. It's a life saver mastery some times though, way better than having more points to Perfect Block for example.
I don't think you get what I'm saying: the first hit of my heavy GETS IN, the second one gets Stand Your Ground. How is it possible that Stand Your Ground applies on the second punch after already being hit by the first one?
Because even the second hit has a potential of breaking your block. I don't think there's somewhere specified that if a heavy has two or three "parts", hits, that it's the 1st one that can break it
I think I made myself clear enough, I don't know why you're talking about breaking the block.
I'm talking about the fact that in a two-hit heavy the first one breaks the block and the second one gets blocked. It shouldn't be happening.
I shouldn't be blocked on the SECOND hit of the heavy after having broken the block with the first one.
They shouldn't have the recovery time to block after being hit.
If you go with a 5 hit combo they don't have the recovery time to block you on your 2nd, 3rd, 4th and last hit. How is it that I hit them with the first part of my heavy and I get blocked on the second one? I'll said it once again: this shouldn't be happening.

Ps: the screenshots are not in order. The order is 4-1, 3-2. So, as you can see, they recover from the first hit and I get Stand Tour Ground.

You can say what you think shouldn't be happening all you like. Bottom line is that every hit in a multi hit heavy can get stopped by SYG. Regardless of what you think SHOULD be, that is what is.

SirGamesBond

Let's take an example of Hercules and forget she hulk.

So the people in comments are saying:
While using hecr as attacker, if you use a heavy on defender, after first hit connects and break the block(doesn't matter if defender is blocking or not, as long as first hit connect), there's a chance that defender can resist second hit because of SYG?

Hey @Karatemike415 @BitterSteel can you guys help us out on this one. Can this happen with us while using Herc or Mr. Negative.
I think this is more of a she-hulk heavy hit box problem, than a SYG problem.
I also think autoblockers may do this but not the regular champions.

Searmenis

I don't see why not. If the 1st hit don't knock down the champ, he can block the second one. It's not that weird. The weird thing is you could avoid the 2nd hit of ant man's sp1

Cam77778888

If the first hit connects so should the rest. If the first hit is resisted then their is a possibility the next can be. Kurtz is correct. Anyone stating otherwise isnt using logic. I cant stand all the people who argue before actually listening to what the man says. If the first part of a heavy connects the defender cannot recover in time to start blocking again its thats simple

Cam77778888

She Hulk's heavy attack is slow enough between the 2 hits making it possible to recover and block the second hit in time to trigger stand your ground. Did you do parry/heavy in the examples above? Since you're in arena, it's very likely your opponent has 1 or more points in limber, making the recovery time even shorter.

Limber has no effect on anything but stunn duration. Getting hit in a combo and recovering half way through is a not a game mechanic in a normal champs base kit.

SummonerNR

Can think of it similar to Evade (see Corvus against Spider-Man, hoping all 3 hits of Corvus Heavy get thru and not have either the 2nd or 3rd evaded even though 1st strike landed).

Just because someone is hit once doesn’t mean that they can’t get ready to do something other than continuing to get hit automatically from all the rest of them.

dot_ditto

Can think of it similar to Evade (see Corvus against Spider-Man, hoping all 3 hits of Corvus Heavy get thru and not have either the 2nd or 3rd evaded even though 1st strike landed).

Just because someone is hit once doesn’t mean that they can’t get ready to do something other than continuing to get hit automatically from all the rest of them.

Will have to disagree with you on this.

Evade (especially OG Spiderman's), happens regardless of whether you're blocking or not .. so yes, even though you get hit the first time, evade can still trigger . because there isn't any condition on it other than "about to get hit".

Stand your ground, however, clearly states a condition on it "while blocking ... "

After eating the first hit, well .. you're no longer blocking ... so no, it should not be able to suddenly "kick in" on the subsequent hits .. IF you already got hit on the first.

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and to really clarify that to those that still aren't reading/following the subtle details of all this ..
IF SYG successfully blocks the first hit . then yes, of course it has a chance to block the subsequent hits .. nobody on here has disputed that ... nobody.

Only issue is when one hit gets through .. subsequent hits should not be able to trigger SYG, as you are no longer blocking .. you are being hit. And no, you can't recover .. nobody can recover mid-heavy .. doesn't happen in this game (except for evades/miss . or perhaps some odd-ball autoblocks mechanic) - none of which applies to the 2 samples OP posted. (well miss on Ebony Maw , perhaps ..

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SirGamesBond

So you guys are saying, using double/multiple hit heavies in a war was never safe?
We are yet to see an evidence of second hit getting resisted after first hit connects.

HT, Capiw, Mr.N, Rulk, Shulk
aegon, NF, Elsa, falcon, stealth
Apoc, AA, Domino, havok, OR, Sunspot
Ghost, Nebula, Peni, Vision
Angela, Corvus, Herc, Hype, Medusa, VP
Diablo, Tigra.
These are some of the Top attackers with multiple hit heavies. What some of you are saying will make them obsolete if a defender can resist connected heavies.
So if defence is running 5/5 SYG, does that means the defender have 50% chance to resist mid multiple hit heavy?
No it doesn't.

Can think of it similar to Evade (see Corvus against Spider-Man, hoping all 3 hits of Corvus Heavy get thru and not have either the 2nd or 3rd evaded even though 1st strike landed).

Just because someone is hit once doesn’t mean that they can’t get ready to do something other than continuing to get hit automatically from all the rest of them.

Auto-block and evade are unique abilities.
Medusa autoblocks while being stunned does she had time to recover? It's an ability. An auto-evade can happen anytime, just not under stun effects or mid special.

Edit.
[Side note: I faced this some months ago, Just like OP posted, Rocket Racoon's Heavy hit box is also bugged. I came out of his heavy after first hit connected. here's a link to a comment I made https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/1951428/#Comment_1951428 ]

phil56201

She Hulk's heavy attack is slow enough between the 2 hits making it possible to recover and block the second hit in time to trigger stand your ground. Did you do parry/heavy in the examples above? Since you're in arena, it's very likely your opponent has 1 or more points in limber, making the recovery time even shorter.
Limber has no effect on anything but stunn duration. Getting hit in a combo and recovering half way through is a not a game mechanic in a normal champs base kit.

yes it does. If you parry, and the stun duration is reduced, the opponent can recover fast enough to put up block and proc SYG. It's worked for me and against me many times.

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AverageDesi

Can think of it similar to Evade (see Corvus against Spider-Man, hoping all 3 hits of Corvus Heavy get thru and not have either the 2nd or 3rd evaded even though 1st strike landed).

Just because someone is hit once doesn’t mean that they can’t get ready to do something other than continuing to get hit automatically from all the rest of them.
Evade is different from blocking. Are you telling me its normal when you are in the middle of a combo that an AI can block before you ended your combo?

For heavies, yes. It's just that since most of the AI you fight does not have SYG, it never comes into play

Agent_X_zzz

It is extremely annoying, and I hate this mastery, precisely why I will never assign a tigra to aw.

Worknprogress

So you guys are saying, using double/multiple hit heavies in a war was never safe?
We are yet to see an evidence of second hit getting resisted after first hit connects.

HT, Capiw, Mr.N, Rulk, Shulk
aegon, NF, Elsa, falcon, stealth
Apoc, AA, Domino, havok, OR, Sunspot
Ghost, Nebula, Peni, Vision
Angela, Corvus, Herc, Hype, Medusa, VP
Diablo, Tigra.
These are some of the Top attackers with multiple hit heavies. What some of you are saying will make them obsolete if a defender can resist connected heavies.
So if defence is running 5/5 SYG, does that means the defender have 50% chance to resist mid multiple hit heavy?
No it doesn't.
Can think of it similar to Evade (see Corvus against Spider-Man, hoping all 3 hits of Corvus Heavy get thru and not have either the 2nd or 3rd evaded even though 1st strike landed).

Just because someone is hit once doesn’t mean that they can’t get ready to do something other than continuing to get hit automatically from all the rest of them.
Auto-block and evade are unique abilities.
Medusa autoblocks while being stunned does she had time to recover? It's an ability. An auto-evade can happen anytime, just not under stun effects or mid special.

Edit.
[Side note: I faced this some months ago, Just like OP posted, Rocket Racoon's Heavy hit box is also bugged. I came out of his heavy after first hit connected. here's a link to a comment I made https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/1951428/#Comment_1951428 ]

If the first hit is a block attempt it registers as the subsequent hits as still having block applied from what it seems. If you're heavying into an opponent not blocking it won't matter but if they're blocking then yes, don't throw heavies into block. People love to complain about what SHOULD happen when at the end of the day the only thing that matters is how it actually works.

SirGamesBond

So you guys are saying, using double/multiple hit heavies in a war was never safe?
We are yet to see an evidence of second hit getting resisted after first hit connects.

HT, Capiw, Mr.N, Rulk, Shulk
aegon, NF, Elsa, falcon, stealth
Apoc, AA, Domino, havok, OR, Sunspot
Ghost, Nebula, Peni, Vision
Angela, Corvus, Herc, Hype, Medusa, VP
Diablo, Tigra.
These are some of the Top attackers with multiple hit heavies. What some of you are saying will make them obsolete if a defender can resist connected heavies.
So if defence is running 5/5 SYG, does that means the defender have 50% chance to resist mid multiple hit heavy?
No it doesn't.
Can think of it similar to Evade (see Corvus against Spider-Man, hoping all 3 hits of Corvus Heavy get thru and not have either the 2nd or 3rd evaded even though 1st strike landed).

Just because someone is hit once doesn’t mean that they can’t get ready to do something other than continuing to get hit automatically from all the rest of them.
Auto-block and evade are unique abilities.
Medusa autoblocks while being stunned does she had time to recover? It's an ability. An auto-evade can happen anytime, just not under stun effects or mid special.

Edit.
[Side note: I faced this some months ago, Just like OP posted, Rocket Racoon's Heavy hit box is also bugged. I came out of his heavy after first hit connected. here's a link to a comment I made https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/1951428/#Comment_1951428 ]
If the first hit is a block attempt it registers as the subsequent hits as still having block applied from what

Nahh.
When first hit connects, opponent is no longer blocking.

Worknprogress

So you guys are saying, using double/multiple hit heavies in a war was never safe?
We are yet to see an evidence of second hit getting resisted after first hit connects.

HT, Capiw, Mr.N, Rulk, Shulk
aegon, NF, Elsa, falcon, stealth
Apoc, AA, Domino, havok, OR, Sunspot
Ghost, Nebula, Peni, Vision
Angela, Corvus, Herc, Hype, Medusa, VP
Diablo, Tigra.
These are some of the Top attackers with multiple hit heavies. What some of you are saying will make them obsolete if a defender can resist connected heavies.
So if defence is running 5/5 SYG, does that means the defender have 50% chance to resist mid multiple hit heavy?
No it doesn't.
Can think of it similar to Evade (see Corvus against Spider-Man, hoping all 3 hits of Corvus Heavy get thru and not have either the 2nd or 3rd evaded even though 1st strike landed).

Just because someone is hit once doesn’t mean that they can’t get ready to do something other than continuing to get hit automatically from all the rest of them.
Auto-block and evade are unique abilities.
Medusa autoblocks while being stunned does she had time to recover? It's an ability. An auto-evade can happen anytime, just not under stun effects or mid special.

Edit.
[Side note: I faced this some months ago, Just like OP posted, Rocket Racoon's Heavy hit box is also bugged. I came out of his heavy after first hit connected. here's a link to a comment I made https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/1951428/#Comment_1951428 ]
If the first hit is a block attempt it registers as the subsequent hits as still having block applied from what

Nahh.
When first hit connects, opponent is no longer blocking.

Says you? Bc that's obviously not how it's been working forever

SirGamesBond

So you guys are saying, using double/multiple hit heavies in a war was never safe?
We are yet to see an evidence of second hit getting resisted after first hit connects.

HT, Capiw, Mr.N, Rulk, Shulk
aegon, NF, Elsa, falcon, stealth
Apoc, AA, Domino, havok, OR, Sunspot
Ghost, Nebula, Peni, Vision
Angela, Corvus, Herc, Hype, Medusa, VP
Diablo, Tigra.
These are some of the Top attackers with multiple hit heavies. What some of you are saying will make them obsolete if a defender can resist connected heavies.
So if defence is running 5/5 SYG, does that means the defender have 50% chance to resist mid multiple hit heavy?
No it doesn't.
Can think of it similar to Evade (see Corvus against Spider-Man, hoping all 3 hits of Corvus Heavy get thru and not have either the 2nd or 3rd evaded even though 1st strike landed).

Just because someone is hit once doesn’t mean that they can’t get ready to do something other than continuing to get hit automatically from all the rest of them.
Auto-block and evade are unique abilities.
Medusa autoblocks while being stunned does she had time to recover? It's an ability. An auto-evade can happen anytime, just not under stun effects or mid special.

Edit.
[Side note: I faced this some months ago, Just like OP posted, Rocket Racoon's Heavy hit box is also bugged. I came out of his heavy after first hit connected. here's a link to a comment I made https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/1951428/#Comment_1951428 ]
If the first hit is a block attempt it registers as the subsequent hits as still having block applied from what

Nahh.
When first hit connects, opponent is no longer blocking.
Says you? Bc that's obviously not how it's been working forever

Says you? If it's bugged forever doesn't means it should work forever.

AverageDesi

So you guys are saying, using double/multiple hit heavies in a war was never safe?
We are yet to see an evidence of second hit getting resisted after first hit connects.

HT, Capiw, Mr.N, Rulk, Shulk
aegon, NF, Elsa, falcon, stealth
Apoc, AA, Domino, havok, OR, Sunspot
Ghost, Nebula, Peni, Vision
Angela, Corvus, Herc, Hype, Medusa, VP
Diablo, Tigra.
These are some of the Top attackers with multiple hit heavies. What some of you are saying will make them obsolete if a defender can resist connected heavies.
So if defence is running 5/5 SYG, does that means the defender have 50% chance to resist mid multiple hit heavy?
No it doesn't.
Can think of it similar to Evade (see Corvus against Spider-Man, hoping all 3 hits of Corvus Heavy get thru and not have either the 2nd or 3rd evaded even though 1st strike landed).

Just because someone is hit once doesn’t mean that they can’t get ready to do something other than continuing to get hit automatically from all the rest of them.
Auto-block and evade are unique abilities.
Medusa autoblocks while being stunned does she had time to recover? It's an ability. An auto-evade can happen anytime, just not under stun effects or mid special.

Edit.
[Side note: I faced this some months ago, Just like OP posted, Rocket Racoon's Heavy hit box is also bugged. I came out of his heavy after first hit connected. here's a link to a comment I made https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/1951428/#Comment_1951428 ]
If the first hit is a block attempt it registers as the subsequent hits as still having block applied from what

Nahh.
When first hit connects, opponent is no longer blocking.
Says you? Bc that's obviously not how it's been working forever
Says you? If it's bugged forever doesn't means it should work forever.

Where does it say that once the block is broken you can't block again?

SirGamesBond

So you guys are saying, using double/multiple hit heavies in a war was never safe?
We are yet to see an evidence of second hit getting resisted after first hit connects.

HT, Capiw, Mr.N, Rulk, Shulk
aegon, NF, Elsa, falcon, stealth
Apoc, AA, Domino, havok, OR, Sunspot
Ghost, Nebula, Peni, Vision
Angela, Corvus, Herc, Hype, Medusa, VP
Diablo, Tigra.
These are some of the Top attackers with multiple hit heavies. What some of you are saying will make them obsolete if a defender can resist connected heavies.
So if defence is running 5/5 SYG, does that means the defender have 50% chance to resist mid multiple hit heavy?
No it doesn't.
Can think of it similar to Evade (see Corvus against Spider-Man, hoping all 3 hits of Corvus Heavy get thru and not have either the 2nd or 3rd evaded even though 1st strike landed).

Just because someone is hit once doesn’t mean that they can’t get ready to do something other than continuing to get hit automatically from all the rest of them.
Auto-block and evade are unique abilities.
Medusa autoblocks while being stunned does she had time to recover? It's an ability. An auto-evade can happen anytime, just not under stun effects or mid special.

Edit.
[Side note: I faced this some months ago, Just like OP posted, Rocket Racoon's Heavy hit box is also bugged. I came out of his heavy after first hit connected. here's a link to a comment I made https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/1951428/#Comment_1951428 ]
If the first hit is a block attempt it registers as the subsequent hits as still having block applied from what

Nahh.
When first hit connects, opponent is no longer blocking.
Says you? Bc that's obviously not how it's been working forever
Says you? If it's bugged forever doesn't means it should work forever.
Where does it say that once the block is broken you can't block again?

Where does it says once block is broken you can block again?

SirGamesBond

I don't want to argue with all of you game vets, but not all things are intended but they are still in the game...

I don't have a single problem adding This interaction to my list of "Things that shouldn't work, are 'probably' bugged, who knows?, since kabam won't acknowledge it, and I don't care that much, so I'll deal with it anyway."

Please don't tell us it's intended. It maybe working like that, but it shouldn't.
It took them 3 years to acknowledge reparry wasn't intended, but then they made extra efforts to keep it.
It took them a year to acknowledge domino was indeed breaking block, if champion was attempting dash back in middle of her first double-hit medium.

You are either getting hit or are blocking.
Both can not happen at one instance. Its either 1 or 0.
As soon as the first hit connects and breaks block, champion is no longer blocking.

I "Guessing", its Recovery time and hit box issue.
I get out of mid Medusa sp1 hits if I have enough distance. Intended?
I got out of Omega red's sp2 spinning hits many times due to distance. Intended?
Same goes with Mephisto sp1, Moon knight Sp1. (Maybe more I can't recall)
These are some bugged interactions in the game for years.
It doesn't mean these should work like that just cuz they are present ingame for years, but they still work like that. Aren't they?

Bottom line is Champions "Shouldn't" be able to block if first hit of a multi hit heavy connects.