Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall. TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.
But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability. But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand. Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.
I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out . Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.
I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.
You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.
Why aq and aw matters progresion titles all the time was story based
Did you read the announcement? This title is aimed at those who are done 100% and are playing at the top currently. If you want more R4 materials, they are in the high brackets of AW and top 45 rewards for AQ.
Read everything in the post. Most of you are cherry picking stuff and getting mad about it.
Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall. TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.
But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability. But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand. Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.
I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out . Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.
I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.
You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.
Why aq and aw matters progresion titles all the time was story based
Did you read the announcement? This title is aimed at those who are done 100% and are playing at the top currently. If you want more R4 materials, they are in the high brackets of AW and top 45 rewards for AQ.
Read everything in the post. Most of you are cherry picking stuff and getting mad about it.
Are you serious? “May have missed that content” my butt. That content gave the most minimal T6 basic fragments and T3 Alpha fragments IF you were lucky. Even completing act 7 barely gives you enough to R4 a 6* and that’s with the rank up gem. Basically you guys are going for a cash grab tailored to the whales who want to spend $300 on the resources (act 7.4 offer).
I mean if you think about it carinas challenges are a money sack also. Most people don’t complete it itemless, even the most skilled People.
Using items does not mean money sack
Grind out units, grind out potions, grind out revives. Everything in the game being able to be completed F2P means it’s absolutely categorically not a money sack.
I spend on this game a lot and even I didn't spend to finish both volumes except for the SL LoL run and that's just bc I was impatient.
It’s a pay-title. It’s nearly impossible that f2p players have 3 r4s. I always had the newest progression title but that is simply too much. For TB I did back then my first abyss completion. What can I do now to obtain 3 r4s? It’s huge man. It’s not a good feeling right now.
For context: I have 1 r4 and have everything in game on 100% except some carina challenges. It shifts more in p2w direction
Why is it a pay title if you can’t get it the second it launches?
Is it bad to work for things?
You have to admit currently the title will only be available to the small minority of FTP players at the top. It'll become more FTP as time passes but for now it is a very pay to earn title. No point denying it.
I’m of the opinion that spending on a FTP game, or being at the very very top should award some perks. Or the game stops being spent on, and people stop trying at the top because there are no benefits.
This is one of the benefits. I’m not one who benefits from it in this situation (not a hardcore spender, not in a top alliance), I still have to get 2 T3As, but I understand that not everything will be handed to me just for turning up, and sometimes it’s actually ok to work for things in the game.
It is really not a big deal that F2P players cannot get this title day 1 unless they are in a top alliance. F2P players could be in a top alliance and get it, but it’s absolutely ok for challenges to be set that people work for.
Not true though. I've been in a top alliance for months, I'm so very far from 3 r4s. I have 0 of either catalyst, and I have 4k t3a frags. I won't have the title day 1, and most likely not for months.
The progression titles shouldn't be linked to spending. It's absurd. Kabam are banking on people being in top AQ and war as f2p to have 3 r4s, and that's not even close to realistic. I'm still barely at enough Prestige for top 45, and I have 2 r4s and almost 14.6k prestige.
This title isn't something that's realistic to defend Kabam for. They said it would be available Day 1 for everyone regardless of monetary investment if they did all content. Not close to true.
Are you serious? “May have missed that content” my butt. That content gave the most minimal T6 basic fragments and T3 Alpha fragments IF you were lucky. Even completing act 7 barely gives you enough to R4 a 6* and that’s with the rank up gem. Basically you guys are going for a cash grab tailored to the whales who want to spend $300 on the resources (act 7.4 offer).
I am a very old player. By no means a whale but definitely not a zero spender. I have completed 100% act 7 (and all of book 1) - every variant - 100% summer of pain and 100% gauntlet. I cherry picked carina challenges. I bought max unit deals in both previous Black Friday and July 4th deals. I bought the 10k unit deal at the end of 7.4.
And so, as you can imagine, progression wise - after 6 years in the game, I feel that I should be at the top.
DESPITE ALL THIS I only have 2 r4 six stars and only half the rank up materials for a 3rd, and so fall short on the new Paragon title. How could this be? This is really maddening. It will definitely make me think again before spending a dime on a game that looks at my efforts and spits in my face.
At least act 6 had a full t5cc as a reward for exploration allowing you to become thronebreaker of you did the content. Needing 3 r4 champs makes paragon have nothing to do with story progression, please correct me if I’m wrong.
Unless eternity of pain comes out RIGHT NOW and allows me to compete my progression, I will be forced to reconsider my devotion to the game, especially if I will again be shafted come July 4th deals…
I've completed everything the game has to offer. Carina Challenge's included, as well as the Summer of Pain event. Adding that I also completed the Grandmaster's Gauntlet, and bought the unit offers there as well on cyber monday, and 4th of july (although I don't remember if those had rank 4 materials in them).
Having said that, it is not possible for me to have a 3rd rank 4 champion. Luckily I recently got the champion to use the gem I got on act 7, so that will sort my 2nd option.
So, how's that? Even with additional ways of getting these materials than the one's that were pointed out, it is still not possible for a player like me to get a 3rd rank 4 champion. So clearly something must be wrong there with your calculations.
I do believe I missed something. Let me math and get back to this.
have you done the math yet? the math clearly tells you you can only get a max of 2 r4* and 1 catalyst of each for the 3rd one. if you think I'm wrong, please edit the title to say it's available day1 for our supporter first and will come later for other player. thanks
I think it's only possible to have 3 r4s as a ftp if you've been a prestige anchor for several months, bought every unit bundle, and place top 3 masters.
I get it's something to work towards, but let's not lie about the paywall for day one access.
I really don't love that there is emphasis put on summoners being required to be in top tier alliances to have a chance at something like this. I get better rewards being available, but still. I have completed almost all of the available content in game, but I have friends that I prefer to be in an alliance with that aren't even close to my level. I'm not about to drop them and go to a higher tier alliance, and I'll take less overall rewards, but I don't want the gap in alliances to have such a steep difference as something like the general gap between paying/non-paying rewards.
Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.
Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.
Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.
In other words, Skills don't value that much but spending cuz I don't see a single reason why it is not gated Ike TB where you have to ton of content or burn the soul in AOL but everyone had fair and equal shot at PROGRESSION TITLE. But this one is totally SPENDING TITLE . What's actual hard part you are implying. You are raising difficulty?? But where?? Is it how much player have spend till now??? I don't see any difficulty bar which represent skill . I don't see difficulty bar being high in some CONTENT which offers to achieve the PROGRESSION TITLE. What kind of roster indicator you want???Roster made out of materials which game offers or Roster made out of DEALS and spending money???
I am not sure I understand the requirements. First time I read them it sounds like you have to have act 7 done and 3 r4 6* champs OR have 100% of all content completed. But from the reaction of this thread it seems like most here think it is 3 r4 6* champs AND 100% of all content complete. Can you clarify this @Kabam Miike ?
Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall. TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.
But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability. But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand. Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.
I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out . Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.
I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.
You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.
So as someone who has completed everything but 5 Carina’s challenges (split between the volumes), never spent on the game or meaningfully on 4th of July, and has a bit of act 7.4 left to explore, I’m confident that I can have 2 rank 4s by May if I push. One will come from the last bit of 7.4 exploration, one from the sum total of everything else in the game. That includes 100% on the gauntlet, summer of pain, etc. I also have 4 abyss paths, but that doesn’t net rank 4 materials. I should also note that I don’t buy unit deals: nothing more than 5k units for any event, including cyber weekend type things. I also only did milestones for gifting. I do not get the end of act buys either. I might have for 7.4 had I known this, which would have changed my strategy dramatically.
Without any alliance contributions, 2 rank 4 6* champs are possible. Personally, that’s where I would have preferred Kabam left the line at 2 rank 4s, especially given that this announcement didn’t time with content, but rather with a spending weekend. That fees either less-than-planned, or planned with ill intention.
I encourage you to moderate this to two 6* rank 4 champions. This would be similar to how thronebreaker worked: the abyss gave a content-only path to success, and it allowed me as a free to play player to make this my goal. It drove me to content, and let me play alliances with my friends at map 5/6, not pushing constantly to the very edge. I respect people who want to do that, but story progression isn’t about alliance participation. Alliances are something more, and driving a story/progression wedge into alliances does not help the game.
Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall. TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.
But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability. But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand. Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.
I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out . Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.
I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.
You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.
Time anyone gets to paragon who wont be next month a new title will come out restarting the progress all over and you can bet the next title after paragon will require 7*'s to be owned!. Mark my words lol
Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.
Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now. In other words, Skills don't value that much but spending cuz I don't see a single reason why it is not gated Ike TB where you have to ton of content or burn the soul in AOL but everyone had fair and equal shot at PROGRESSION TITLE. But this one is totally SPENDING TITLE . What's actual hard part you are implying. You are raising difficulty?? But where?? Is it how much player have spend till now??? I don't see any difficulty bar which represent skill . I don't see difficulty bar being high in some CONTENT which offers to achieve the PROGRESSION TITLE. What kind of roster indicator you want???Roster made out of materials which game offers or Roster made out of DEALS and spending money???
I've done everything and spent to barely get my 3rd r4. Don't see how F2P players could have 3 right now.
It’s unfortunate that comments like these will conveniently get overlooked. F2P players will not have 3 right now. Not to mention, the previous t6 basic and t3 alphas are gone so it’s essentially square one for some individuals to get to Paragon.
Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.
Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.
Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.
In other words, Skills don't value that much but spending cuz I don't see a single reason why it is not gated Ike TB where you have to ton of content or burn the soul in AOL but everyone had fair and equal shot at PROGRESSION TITLE. But this one is totally SPENDING TITLE .
Which title was not able to be obtained by spending?
To obtain the designation of Paragon, you must complete Act 7 Chapter 4, and have 3x Rank 4 6-Star Champions in your Roster.
When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!
While we wanted this next progression level to be a challenge to obtain, it was also important to us that we did not put this out of reach for skilled Summoners that choose not to purchase 6-Star Rank 4 Materials, and that this remains accessible (though difficult) for all Summoners to obtain, regardless of their monetary investments.
With that in mind, we made sure that on day 1, it was possible to do for a Summoner that has:
Completed all of the Story Content in-game
Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives
Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2),
Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance
I'm super stoked about this!!! Hard work, dedication and time spent is paying off to achieve this. I'm ticking the boxes from the checklist above (completing everything to offer) and been doing it F2P and can say I have the 3 r4s to be Paragon on Day 1 🤘🏼
Did you buy the 10000 unit offer at end of 7.4 to get there?
Of course I did! I didn't get x3 r4 from casually playing the game. I do grind the arena quite a bit and also make sure I have the units for all of the big July4th & Cyber Weekend offers, and make sure I have units available for sporadic offers like 7.4 etc. I also have NEVER used units to buy a Cavalier crystal. I have routine and it generally involves getting every single 22hr solo unit (even EQ completion), 100%'n all EQ modes, arena etc to have the units/battlechips to still try and compete at the highest levels in AQ & AW. I would not say what I do is anywhere close to normal when compared w/ most F2Ps & obviously I don't come close to the spenders but Paragon is achievable on day 1 for a F2P guy pending on what you do in the game and how you allocate your resources.
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Read everything in the post. Most of you are cherry picking stuff and getting mad about it.
You guys should start putting some realistic things out there . People are already leaving the game and this will just frustrate them more.
July 4th is coming and this is a shaft... Thronebreakers better not get the same treatment as Cavaliers .
The progression titles shouldn't be linked to spending. It's absurd. Kabam are banking on people being in top AQ and war as f2p to have 3 r4s, and that's not even close to realistic. I'm still barely at enough Prestige for top 45, and I have 2 r4s and almost 14.6k prestige.
This title isn't something that's realistic to defend Kabam for. They said it would be available Day 1 for everyone regardless of monetary investment if they did all content. Not close to true.
By no means a whale but definitely not a zero spender.
I have completed 100% act 7 (and all of book 1) - every variant - 100% summer of pain and 100% gauntlet.
I cherry picked carina challenges.
I bought max unit deals in both previous Black Friday and July 4th deals.
I bought the 10k unit deal at the end of 7.4.
And so, as you can imagine, progression wise - after 6 years in the game, I feel that I should be at the top.
DESPITE ALL THIS I only have 2 r4 six stars and only half the rank up materials for a 3rd, and so fall short on the new Paragon title.
How could this be?
This is really maddening. It will definitely make me think again before spending a dime on a game that looks at my efforts and spits in my face.
At least act 6 had a full t5cc as a reward for exploration allowing you to become thronebreaker of you did the content. Needing 3 r4 champs makes paragon have nothing to do with story progression, please correct me if I’m wrong.
Unless eternity of pain comes out RIGHT NOW and allows me to compete my progression, I will be forced to reconsider my devotion to the game, especially if I will again be shafted come July 4th deals…
if you think I'm wrong, please edit the title to say it's available day1 for our supporter first and will come later for other player. thanks
I get it's something to work towards, but let's not lie about the paywall for day one access.
But this one is totally SPENDING TITLE . What's actual hard part you are implying. You are raising difficulty?? But where?? Is it how much player have spend till now??? I don't see any difficulty bar which represent skill . I don't see difficulty bar being high in some CONTENT which offers to achieve the PROGRESSION TITLE. What kind of roster indicator you want???Roster made out of materials which game offers or Roster made out of DEALS and spending money???
TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.
But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability.
But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand.
Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.
I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out .
Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.
I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.
You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.
Without any alliance contributions, 2 rank 4 6* champs are possible. Personally, that’s where I would have preferred Kabam left the line at 2 rank 4s, especially given that this announcement didn’t time with content, but rather with a spending weekend. That fees either less-than-planned, or planned with ill intention.
I encourage you to moderate this to two 6* rank 4 champions. This would be similar to how thronebreaker worked: the abyss gave a content-only path to success, and it allowed me as a free to play player to make this my goal. It drove me to content, and let me play alliances with my friends at map 5/6, not pushing constantly to the very edge. I respect people who want to do that, but story progression isn’t about alliance participation. Alliances are something more, and driving a story/progression wedge into alliances does not help the game.
Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.
In other words, Skills don't value that much but spending cuz I don't see a single reason why it is not gated Ike TB where you have to ton of content or burn the soul in AOL but everyone had fair and equal shot at PROGRESSION TITLE.
But this one is totally SPENDING TITLE . What's actual hard part you are implying. You are raising difficulty?? But where?? Is it how much player have spend till now??? I don't see any difficulty bar which represent skill . I don't see difficulty bar being high in some CONTENT which offers to achieve the PROGRESSION TITLE. What kind of roster indicator you want???Roster made out of materials which game offers or Roster made out of DEALS and spending money???
This is not a perfect example of story progression.
2 6* r4 ok managible can do something...
3 u serious?