Unbalanced Scarlet Witch

Scarlet Witch sp2 si taking too much damage. It's an abuse.

Same happened with hood and kabam nerfed it a day after. Hope the same happens with scarlet witch.

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Colinwhitworth69

For everyone who is complaining, are you testing the synergy yourself or just viewing YouTube videos that are made to showcase the big numbers when rng is granting them?
I tested myself, with SWS, QS, Rogue and Longshot team. Easy to get big damage. Just one of many examples:

And how many times did you not get the rng for the big damage, it’s not like mags sp3 vs a metal opponet where you know what you’re getting. I even ran her on power shield path in 7.4.2 and it was about 5 to 1 that I’d get non crit sp2 which even on power shield were only hitting for 30-50k with multiple prowess.

I can run RoL in a few minutes, and each fight finishes in 20-40 hits. With her power gain thru buffs and MD, you can spam specials until she suddenly gets a ton of prowess.

But she rolls RoL every time. I also took her into mystic chapter in Cav EQ, killed first fight with 468K sp2.

I think Kabam can find a middle ground where the synergy rocks just maybe not this much? If they leave it as is, then I cannot wait to see where I can use in in Act 8. Would be fun.

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Tx_Quack_Attack6589

For everyone who is complaining, are you testing the synergy yourself or just viewing YouTube videos that are made to showcase the big numbers when rng is granting them?
I tested myself, with SWS, QS, Rogue and Longshot team. Easy to get big damage. Just one of many examples:

And how many times did you not get the rng for the big damage, it’s not like mags sp3 vs a metal opponet where you know what you’re getting. I even ran her on power shield path in 7.4.2 and it was about 5 to 1 that I’d get non crit sp2 which even on power shield were only hitting for 30-50k with multiple prowess.
I can run RoL in a few minutes, and each fight finishes in 20-40 hits. With her power gain thru buffs and MD, you can spam specials until she suddenly gets a ton of prowess.

But she rolls RoL every time. I also took her into mystic chapter in Cav EQ, killed first fight with 468K sp2.

I think Kabam can find a middle ground where the synergy rocks just maybe not this much? If they leave it as is, then I cannot wait to see where I can use in in Act 8. Would be fun.

I’m sure it’ll get toned down but it’s still reliant on rng especially if you only run quicksilver with her, versus mags sp3 vs a metal champ where you know exactly what you’re getting every time, which is fair he’s meant to dominate metal beings but she is meant to be a top tier powerful being herself

Etm34

Some people on this forum were definitely the kids in school who would tell the teacher when people were working in groups on individual assignments
This is like those who shout at people to not tell kabam about the revives in act 3 as if they wouldn’t know

Kabam already knows the strength of the synergy. They’ve already commented on it and confirmed they are looking into it. Constant threads about how it needs to be nerfed are just ridiculous to me.

Those of us who’ve played the game longer than like 6 months are aware this won’t last long. I just don’t get why there are tons of people who feel the need to immediately run to the forums to ask for nerfs for a synergy, but then are completely fine with other synergies that make a champion borderline OP (Apoc-Cable, Scorpion-AV).

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pseudosane

Some people on this forum were definitely the kids in school who would tell the teacher when people were working in groups on individual assignments
This is like those who shout at people to not tell kabam about the revives in act 3 as if they wouldn’t know
Kabam already knows the strength of the synergy. They’ve already commented on it and confirmed they are looking into it. Constant threads about how it needs to be nerfed are just ridiculous to me.

Those of us who’ve played the game longer than like 6 months are aware this won’t last long. I just don’t get why there are tons of people who feel the need to immediately run to the forums to ask for nerfs for a synergy, but then are completely fine with other synergies that make a champion borderline OP (Apoc-Cable, Scorpion-AV).

lol. none of them are even close to this synergy

Colinwhitworth69

For everyone who is complaining, are you testing the synergy yourself or just viewing YouTube videos that are made to showcase the big numbers when rng is granting them?
I tested myself, with SWS, QS, Rogue and Longshot team. Easy to get big damage. Just one of many examples:

And how many times did you not get the rng for the big damage, it’s not like mags sp3 vs a metal opponet where you know what you’re getting. I even ran her on power shield path in 7.4.2 and it was about 5 to 1 that I’d get non crit sp2 which even on power shield were only hitting for 30-50k with multiple prowess.
I can run RoL in a few minutes, and each fight finishes in 20-40 hits. With her power gain thru buffs and MD, you can spam specials until she suddenly gets a ton of prowess.

But she rolls RoL every time. I also took her into mystic chapter in Cav EQ, killed first fight with 468K sp2.

I think Kabam can find a middle ground where the synergy rocks just maybe not this much? If they leave it as is, then I cannot wait to see where I can use in in Act 8. Would be fun.
I’m sure it’ll get toned down but it’s still reliant on rng especially if you only run quicksilver with her, versus mags sp3 vs a metal champ where you know exactly what you’re getting every time, which is fair he’s meant to dominate metal beings but she is meant to be a top tier powerful being herself

I am not arguing for a nerf, but I would understand it. Just hope that if they do change this synergy that it is not a complete removal of it, or a massive neutering of it even.

GoterdamRung

R1 Level 1 S2...for those who asked if people tested themselves

RakeYoung

Some people on this forum were definitely the kids in school who would tell the teacher when people were working in groups on individual assignments
This is like those who shout at people to not tell kabam about the revives in act 3 as if they wouldn’t know
Kabam already knows the strength of the synergy. They’ve already commented on it and confirmed they are looking into it. Constant threads about how it needs to be nerfed are just ridiculous to me.

Those of us who’ve played the game longer than like 6 months are aware this won’t last long. I just don’t get why there are tons of people who feel the need to immediately run to the forums to ask for nerfs for a synergy, but then are completely fine with other synergies that make a champion borderline OP (Apoc-Cable, Scorpion-AV).
lol. none of them are even close to this synergy

i mean, AV with Scorpion and Kraven is super ridiculous and i wouldnt be surprised if they nerfed it after looking at the data of the folks that actually use AV.

its got me hoping i can pull AV as a 6* to justify the rank up to use him with Scorpion and at that point its just a matter of adding Kraven to the team for synergy.

pseudosane

Some people on this forum were definitely the kids in school who would tell the teacher when people were working in groups on individual assignments
This is like those who shout at people to not tell kabam about the revives in act 3 as if they wouldn’t know
Kabam already knows the strength of the synergy. They’ve already commented on it and confirmed they are looking into it. Constant threads about how it needs to be nerfed are just ridiculous to me.

Those of us who’ve played the game longer than like 6 months are aware this won’t last long. I just don’t get why there are tons of people who feel the need to immediately run to the forums to ask for nerfs for a synergy, but then are completely fine with other synergies that make a champion borderline OP (Apoc-Cable, Scorpion-AV).
lol. none of them are even close to this synergy
i mean, AV with Scorpion and Kraven is super ridiculous and i wouldnt be surprised if they nerfed it after looking at the data of the folks that actually use AV.

its got me hoping i can pull AV as a 6* to justify the rank up to use him with Scorpion and at that point its just a matter of adding Kraven to the team for synergy.

you need AV syn to have a plethora of requirements. Has to be bleed/incinerate immune at the very least. (Disclaimer: I DO NOT use this synergy). If it is broken, it should be fixed.

SW is tap tap tap tap sp2. Sure. Both of them are totally on the same level.

Etm34

Some people on this forum were definitely the kids in school who would tell the teacher when people were working in groups on individual assignments
This is like those who shout at people to not tell kabam about the revives in act 3 as if they wouldn’t know
Kabam already knows the strength of the synergy. They’ve already commented on it and confirmed they are looking into it. Constant threads about how it needs to be nerfed are just ridiculous to me.

Those of us who’ve played the game longer than like 6 months are aware this won’t last long. I just don’t get why there are tons of people who feel the need to immediately run to the forums to ask for nerfs for a synergy, but then are completely fine with other synergies that make a champion borderline OP (Apoc-Cable, Scorpion-AV).
lol. none of them are even close to this synergy

Bishop with Apoc can apply a niche DOT debuff to 99% of the champs in the game and absolutely melt them while losing roughly no health.

AV with Scorpion (and Kraven) can kill a 1.4m health opponent in under a minute.

SW with this synergy needs to proc veil, therefore needs crits and veil activation to do so. Which is all RNG dependent. I had a ROL fight that took 20 seconds with her, and another that took 150 hits because I couldn’t proc.

pseudosane

Some people on this forum were definitely the kids in school who would tell the teacher when people were working in groups on individual assignments
This is like those who shout at people to not tell kabam about the revives in act 3 as if they wouldn’t know
Kabam already knows the strength of the synergy. They’ve already commented on it and confirmed they are looking into it. Constant threads about how it needs to be nerfed are just ridiculous to me.

Those of us who’ve played the game longer than like 6 months are aware this won’t last long. I just don’t get why there are tons of people who feel the need to immediately run to the forums to ask for nerfs for a synergy, but then are completely fine with other synergies that make a champion borderline OP (Apoc-Cable, Scorpion-AV).
lol. none of them are even close to this synergy
Bishop with Apoc can apply a niche DOT debuff to 99% of the champs in the game and absolutely melt them while losing roughly no health.

AV with Scorpion (and Kraven) can kill a 1.4m health opponent in under a minute.

SW with this synergy needs to proc veil, therefore needs crits and veil activation to do so. Which is all RNG dependent. I had a ROL fight that took 20 seconds with her, and another that took 150 hits because I couldn’t proc.

Omitting out the important details.

Apoc syn is not close to this in terms of damage output. He starts to come close later on and takes mroe time (with styfe)

AV+Scorp+Kraven has lesser chance to pro than this syn.

SW+QS+Viz can do 1.4million damage in one sp2

AverageDesi

Some people on this forum were definitely the kids in school who would tell the teacher when people were working in groups on individual assignments
This is like those who shout at people to not tell kabam about the revives in act 3 as if they wouldn’t know
Kabam already knows the strength of the synergy. They’ve already commented on it and confirmed they are looking into it. Constant threads about how it needs to be nerfed are just ridiculous to me.

Those of us who’ve played the game longer than like 6 months are aware this won’t last long. I just don’t get why there are tons of people who feel the need to immediately run to the forums to ask for nerfs for a synergy, but then are completely fine with other synergies that make a champion borderline OP (Apoc-Cable, Scorpion-AV).

So are you saying the threads have no effect on kabams decision? Then what's your issue and the ignorant analogy to snitching?

Pseudouber

Why do people complain about this stuff? And its with a synergy. We have champs like CGR, Hercules and Magneto that do this stuff alone and people want a synergy BASED ON RNG nerfed!. WTF is with this community.

SADDAN

The solution is simple, just match the other SW by putting 50%.

ESF

Why do people complain about this stuff? And its with a synergy. We have champs like CGR, Hercules and Magneto that do this stuff alone and people want a synergy BASED ON RNG nerfed!. WTF is with this community.

That’s where I am — I guess I need to see someone clearing content other than RoL. I don’t see what all the fuss is about for a synergy that is RNG dependent, but that’s just me.

I literally haven’t taken Magneto to 5/65 as a 5-star or ranked up my 6-star version for what you are saying: Red Magneto is an absolute monster, and he should be. Maybe I missed it, but no one wants that kit nerfed. I legitimately don’t see the difference — just because SWitch does it in 20 hits IF YOU CRIT AND HAVE THE SYNERGY doesn’t offset that other characters in this game are just as effective, in their own way

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Etm34

Some people on this forum were definitely the kids in school who would tell the teacher when people were working in groups on individual assignments
This is like those who shout at people to not tell kabam about the revives in act 3 as if they wouldn’t know
Kabam already knows the strength of the synergy. They’ve already commented on it and confirmed they are looking into it. Constant threads about how it needs to be nerfed are just ridiculous to me.

Those of us who’ve played the game longer than like 6 months are aware this won’t last long. I just don’t get why there are tons of people who feel the need to immediately run to the forums to ask for nerfs for a synergy, but then are completely fine with other synergies that make a champion borderline OP (Apoc-Cable, Scorpion-AV).
So are you saying the threads have no effect on kabams decision? Then what's your issue and the ignorant analogy to snitching?

The analogy is pretty spot on. That’s exactly what everyone is doing. Complaining to the teacher because the synergy is “too powerful” in the same manner that group work is unfair.

If it was a bug sure complain away. But it’s not. And the first time this thread popped up it’s already been acknowledged by kabam. Subsequent posts aren’t going to have any influence on their decision.

ESF

Why do people complain about this stuff? And its with a synergy. We have champs like CGR, Hercules and Magneto that do this stuff alone and people want a synergy BASED ON RNG nerfed!. WTF is with this community.
That’s where I am — I guess I need to see someone clearing content other than RoL. I don’t see what all the fuss is about for a synergy that is RNG dependent, but that’s just me.

https://youtu.be/iqRF3J2sPf8

This is some of the hardest content in the game made to look pretty easy.

I’m still torn on what I think about the synergy and whether it should be nerfed. I see both sides at the moment.

Yes it’s crazy overpowered - at its best. Is it too RNG to be consistently too strong? I’m not sure. Show someone a 3 hit kill with Domino’s sp2 where all crit bleed and they would think she should be nerfed.

If it’s fairly RNG, then I think it would be fine to leave it. If it’s consistently overpowered then maybe a tune down is needed.

Totally understand where you’re coming from — I don’t disagree or agree.

IDK, man. Prowess is an active buff, you gotta crit, you need a synergy…man. IDK. Yeah, she does it quick and it’s huge damage. I get it.

But man. IDK. Those are among three preconditions that I typically am pretty adamant that if they’re part of a kit, it’s easy to Node or gate that and it not be that big a deal.

IDK. I guess we’ll find out

ESF

Why do people complain about this stuff? And its with a synergy. We have champs like CGR, Hercules and Magneto that do this stuff alone and people want a synergy BASED ON RNG nerfed!. WTF is with this community.
That’s where I am — I guess I need to see someone clearing content other than RoL. I don’t see what all the fuss is about for a synergy that is RNG dependent, but that’s just me.

https://youtu.be/iqRF3J2sPf8

This is some of the hardest content in the game made to look pretty easy.

I’m still torn on what I think about the synergy and whether it should be nerfed. I see both sides at the moment.

Yes it’s crazy overpowered - at its best. Is it too RNG to be consistently too strong? I’m not sure. Show someone a 3 hit kill with Domino’s sp2 where all crit bleed and they would think she should be nerfed.

If it’s fairly RNG, then I think it would be fine to leave it. If it’s consistently overpowered then maybe a tune down is needed.
Totally understand where you’re coming from — I don’t disagree or agree.

IDK, man. Prowess is an active buff, you gotta crit, you need a synergy…man. IDK. Yeah, she does it quick and it’s huge damage. I get it.

But man. IDK. Those are among three preconditions that I typically am pretty adamant that if they’re part of a kit, it’s easy to Node or gate that and it not be that big a deal.

IDK. I guess we’ll find out
With those 3 pre conditions from where I am right now that’s not really such a big deal, as in it’s not a great defence for it being left the same.

Active buffs don’t get punished enough to discount that as a flaw. Only in AW against 1/6th of champions, and the occasional spite, prey on the weak, buffet sort of node (and she can easily get round the regen of buffet - power snack is a little more punishing)

Having to crit isn’t huge, she has an increased crit rate on sp2 anyway

Having to have a synergy isn’t a big one either, it doesn’t stop it being game breaking if it is game breaking, and mean it wasn’t game breaking if it isn’t.

It is easy to node against that sort of thing, but it’s easy to node against quake and ghost, and remember the knock on effect true focus had. It neutered the effectiveness of plenty of other champions as bystanders in the war against quake and ghost. Imagine what anti crit nodes would do to champs who need to crit, or imagine what anti buff nodes would do to champs who need buffs.

If something is so powerful that it needs to be noded against, there’s a knock on effect on the rest of the game that isn’t positive.

That’s why I say that the only way this synergy remains unnerfed is if it’s too reliant on RNG, nothing else really matters. Doesn’t matter if it needs buffs, synergies or a crit. All those things are pretty negligible if she can do it too often.

Huh. I understand what you’re saying. I can admit if/when I am wrong. I do think having all three things at the same time is not inconsequential, but at the same time, I understand what you just said. You might be dead on with how it turns out

Kennado

I swear the second this synergy is fixed these same people are gonna say "Kabam never keeps any pro-player bugs 😡😡". Never understimate the stupidity of the masses folks

Rasilover

Ain't no way they’re just gonna let her casually cheese with 1 mil sp2’s

Pikolu

Everyone needs to stop complaining. Kabam actually did something great and fun for the game and yall want them to remove it...smh.
It's not good an great for the game if it's too overpowered it'll be another pre fight torch v mystic but ×10 in bg's they will clap you in seconds being to strong isn't good . Seems it may be until your champs are crushed an it comes down to has has the op champs at the highest ranks wins
How? Synergies don't work in battlegrounds.
Legends run, AW, EoP Content.

First, SW cannot do legends runs, corvus finishes the fights in a combo if even that. SW has to have a special to do insane damage otherwise it is pretty meh.
Second, AW isn't a good bar since there are plenty of champs and nodes that counter SW, and there are honestly much better options for each path.
Third, EoP. The only time you can use SW synergy is week 5, and that week is joke week. If kabam wanted week 5 to be actually difficult, we would see objectives similar to weeks 1-4 instead of just, beat it with x class.

She really isn't broken, she can't do annoying content like abyss, she can't do mix master, she can't beat Doom, and story content that she does well is easy anyways. Also she needs the increased ability accuracy from pther champs, so you're pretty much building a whole team around SW only.

All this synergy is is just something to have fun with and diversify who you use for content.

The more I think about it, the less I think it is broken since her utility is fairly minimal and RNG based.

Quicksilver, on the other hand, can do everything which I listed that SW can't do.

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GroundedWisdom

Scarlet Witch sp2 si taking too much damage. It's an abuse.

Same happened with hood and kabam nerfed it a day after. Hope the same happens with scarlet witch.

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Are you under the impression they don't have the entire game full of data to discover errors? Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but if something is broken, staying silent isn't going to conceal it.

altavista

This whole situation reminds me of the Sabretooth-Sasquatch synergy nerf/rebalancing.
Ridiculous that the same thing is happening now years later.

ESF

@BitterSteel : So, I took the kit/synergy out for a few fights in RoL with, to be clear, a 4-star SWitch.

Here’s the photographic evidence of what teams I used and the results:

I have to say, after playing it…man. IDK.

I can see why people think a 5/65 is too much, but at the same time, look at those results — it’s exactly what I thought and you were saying: The RNG just isn’t close to being something where you can rely on it — it’s really hinky. You are as likely to Power Drain yourself or Power Steal right past the SP2, or not proc the Prowess at all.

I am not gonna lie and say I never saw big damage…I get it.

But the hit counter doesn’t lie, man — I was doing just fine playing. It’s just exactly what I thought: RNG and proccing Crits/Prowess…man. IDK.

I don’t think I would change it. I played it. I don’t think I would change.

I can see how it went out the door exactly like it did. I don’t think I would change it

ESF

To be clear: I think Kabam absolutely did test it. I think they probably looked at it and saw what I see: It’s RNG. Yeah, it’s gonna nuke some fights. But some fights it’s just not gonna proc, and it’s a slog when it doesn’t.

Honestly, that Juggernaut fight that I did that lasted six-plus minutes? It sucked. Hardly any procs until Assassin kicked in. It’s why I got hit — lost my concentration, it took so freaking long with hardly any procs.

I have a feeling, after the review period, people might be surprised. I think there’s a pretty decent chance the data is gonna show that it doesn’t proc enough, over time, to be that big of a deal for the player base.

I could be wrong, of course. But I can see it not proccing enough to matter, over a large sample size