Thank you for your feedback, we are reading every comment. Please keep your messages constructive; most of you have so far, thank you for that.
Based on the feedback in this thread, we have started internal discussions around adjusting revive/potion inventory caps. This is not a guaranteed change, but is what is most prominently being discussed.
These conversations will continue to take place behind the scenes and could grow to include other potential adjustments as well.
We will use this thread to provide updates if/when we have news to share.
Or just don’t change anything and recant the announcement. Your customers are very upset
Not to be that guy, but you mean the customers who aren't paying and are farming? Lol. I get what you're saying, though. Had to say it.
He never said paying customer, Kabam are providing a service (the game and its modes within it) in exchange for one's time.
That statement is wrong, wrong as hell, there is no company that provide services for time, they provide services for money, so they can keep providing services.
The free to play players exist so the whales have someone to have better rosters than. If this game was just whales it would be a tiny community and they would all move to other games with large free to play playerbases, and then those games get their money, not this one.
Another thought on this: why is this change such a necessity while 22h, 7h, 3d, and SA rewards don't reflect how the game has been progressing? Especially the rewards for SA are out of date since what at least 2 years? If Kabam isn't boosting these rewards, they shouldn't be cutting off things that benefit players. Especially when the game is in a bad state right now.
Also what about changes and actions the community and player base has been begging for months? No permanent bans against modders. It's only fair to also listen to the player base's concerns. Not to mention bugs which there are tons of right now. Many of those are related to the AI like launching SP3 without 3 bars, coming out of stuns too quickly, randomly speeding up, etc
I fairly think this is one of the best decissions they could make, content is done too easily by people that are not even skilled enough to do it just spamming revives, so this encourages people to try to learn how to really play the game properly, not only this but makes the challenging things challenging, when people is able to do this content the first day it goes out just spamming 60 revives that means that something must be done, If anyone thinks that 2 revives PER DAY is not enough, that only shows how bad people became. Getting revives became way easier than before, so I think is fair to nerf the amount we can get by farming them.
The main problem I see here, is that they done this in the worst moment possible, since people need more revives because everything in the game is bugged, so they should have waited a little bit more to make this changes until they fixed at least half of the bugs they have currently in game.
And to be fair with Kabam, this is not a charity, this is a company, we already get almost everything free, I dont think its that bad to have to play more Arenas to get more revives for the hard content, or spending to get them.
I think its just a bad timing, but a really good decission, I expect a lot of disagrees but sorry fams, I dont think this is about opinions, since I repeat, you dont need more than 2 revives a day, or you shouldnt need them, If you need them then that means you are not playing properly, so you should try to change it, you dont wanna try to improve your skills? Then I think it is fair to pay for the revives then, and I say this being a F2P player.
Farming disagrees? How will that help your progression?
You should progress playing better, making your roster bigger, and getting resources playing if you dont want to spend money, but being able to farm the amount of revives you want because the challenges are too challenging for you is just nonsense.
If im not able to do X content, I shouldnt just spam revives, I should see why and fix it, If its because im not good enough, I improve my skills, if its because I dont have certain champions, I try to farm shards to look for them or grind arena to get those.
And as I said, I dont think they should make this change NOW, since the game is completely bugged, but it is not a bad change itself.
Ok before everyone disagrees let me put out some context. Of course we would all like things to stay as they are but that probably won’t happen but I think I came up with a decent solution.
What if there was a hard cap on the amount of revives we could have at once?
No unlimited revive farming into overflow, just a hard cap. I think a fair limit for this cap would be 50 of the t1 revives. That way most people could still do the content without the need for tons of arena or spending and we don’t run into the issue of people trivializing content by saving hundreds of revives.
Of course you could bypass this cap by spending units on t2 revives which won’t have the cap so if you really need to you can grind arena for those extra revives.
Again, this is just a proposed solution which I think is a decent compromise so if you guys want to add your voice as well feel free to.
I fairly think this is one of the best decissions they could make, content is done too easily by people that are not even skilled enough to do it just spamming revives, so this encourages people to try to learn how to really play the game properly, not only this but makes the challenging things challenging, when people is able to do this content the first day it goes out just spamming 60 revives that means that something must be done, If anyone thinks that 2 revives PER DAY is not enough, that only shows how bad people became. Getting revives became way easier than before, so I think is fair to nerf the amount we can get by farming them.
The main problem I see here, is that they done this in the worst moment possible, since people need more revives because everything in the game is bugged, so they should have waited a little bit more to make this changes until they fixed at least half of the bugs they have currently in game.
And to be fair with Kabam, this is not a charity, this is a company, we already get almost everything free, I dont think its that bad to have to play more Arenas to get more revives for the hard content, or spending to get them.
I think its just a bad timing, but a really good decission, I expect a lot of disagrees but sorry fams, I dont think this is about opinions, since I repeat, you dont need more than 2 revives a day, or you shouldnt need them, If you need them then that means you are not playing properly, so you should try to change it, you dont wanna try to improve your skills? Then I think it is fair to pay for the revives then, and I say this being a F2P player.
Farming disagrees? How will that help your progression?
You should progress playing better, making your roster bigger, and getting resources playing if you dont want to spend money, but being able to farm the amount of revives you want because the challenges are too challenging for you is just nonsense.
If im not able to do X content, I shouldnt just spam revives, I should see why and fix it, If its because im not good enough, I improve my skills, if its because I dont have certain champions, I try to farm shards to look for them or grind arena to get those.
And as I said, I dont think they should make this change NOW, since the game is completely bugged, but it is not a bad change itself.
Hey buddy, maybe stop talking nonsense about getting better when content like Carina with 4* Starlord exists? Hows that “get better” works out for you in that content?
KABAM specifically mentioned higher tiered players gathering too many revives. Then why not base the availability on progression, like you do in stores. As Cav, it costs me WAY MORE to buy items, than Thronebreaker. Can’t you reverse that when it comes to farming, based on progression? Just make it tougher as you progress. That seems logical and fair.
Ok before everyone disagrees let me put out some context. Of course we would all like things to stay as they are but that probably won’t happen but I think I came up with a decent solution.
What if there was a hard cap on the amount of revives we could have at once?
No unlimited revive farming into overflow, just a hard cap. I think a fair limit for this cap would be 50 of the t1 revives. That way most people could still do the content without the need for tons of arena or spending and we don’t run into the issue of people trivializing content by saving hundreds of revives.
Of course you could bypass this cap by spending units on t2 revives which won’t have the cap so if you really need to you can grind arena for those extra revives.
Again, this is just a proposed solution which I think is a decent compromise so if you guys want to add your voice as well feel free to.
Nah. No middle ground here. Sorry. This an anti-player move, period.
I fairly think this is one of the best decissions they could make, content is done too easily by people that are not even skilled enough to do it just spamming revives, so this encourages people to try to learn how to really play the game properly, not only this but makes the challenging things challenging, when people is able to do this content the first day it goes out just spamming 60 revives that means that something must be done, If anyone thinks that 2 revives PER DAY is not enough, that only shows how bad people became. Getting revives became way easier than before, so I think is fair to nerf the amount we can get by farming them.
The main problem I see here, is that they done this in the worst moment possible, since people need more revives because everything in the game is bugged, so they should have waited a little bit more to make this changes until they fixed at least half of the bugs they have currently in game.
And to be fair with Kabam, this is not a charity, this is a company, we already get almost everything free, I dont think its that bad to have to play more Arenas to get more revives for the hard content, or spending to get them.
I think its just a bad timing, but a really good decission, I expect a lot of disagrees but sorry fams, I dont think this is about opinions, since I repeat, you dont need more than 2 revives a day, or you shouldnt need them, If you need them then that means you are not playing properly, so you should try to change it, you dont wanna try to improve your skills? Then I think it is fair to pay for the revives then, and I say this being a F2P player.
It’s not even guaranteed revives it’s a 1% and 5%
Wrong, everyday you get 1 revive exploring the hard difficulty, and another one by the daily quest, and seriously, we shouldnt need to relay on revives to do content, if we need some revives because it is hard content, okay, fair, but people try to speed up things just spamming revives, thats not the way to progress.
What a disgusting money grab. Shame on you, you vultures.
How much are you planning on increasing your spending after this change? Because I wasn't planning on spending more because of this change. How exactly is this going to make money? Who's going to be spending more?
People trying to complete content with no access to farming revives perhaps..
Just "people?" Sure, but which people who don't have access to farming revives? Everyone keeps saying this is a cash grab. But how many of them are actually planning on spending cash because of this cash grab?
It can't be a cash grab if no one actually spends on it. And while I'm sure someone somewhere will spend something, it won't be an effective cash grab unless a large number of players spend.
I don't think this has anything to do with monetization, because there is simply not enough money on the table. The problem is a much more direct problem with top tier content balancing.
Content in this game is balanced in large part on a curve. Which is to say, the more players who complete it, the easier it is. The fewer players that complete it, or the more players that attempt it and fail, the harder it is. That's the definition of content difficulty. It isn't hard because it looks hard on paper. Its hard if we can't do it.
If we all go into EoP with a hundred revives, we're going to tear through it like it is tissue paper. This shows up in the game data as a massive imbalance between the rewards and the measured difficulty of the content. This means one of two things: EoP-like content must now have much lower rewards, or EoP-like content must be diesigned vastly harder until the content is measured to be difficult enough to be appropriate.
The devs can't just "let us use the revives" because they can't just make the content and then let us do whatever we want to it. That's not how games like this are maintained. If we use tons of consumables to beat the content, the content will have to adjust to that.
So what's it going to be? Eventually have all end game content *only* doable with hundreds of revives, and if you don't farm hundreds of consumables it will just be impossible for you? Or have end game content have trivial rewards appropriate to the fact that pretty much everyone sails through it? Or reduce the flow of otherwise practically unlimited consumables and allow content to be balanced around players having a more manageable amount of consumables to throw at the content.
This problem is independent of monetization and has nothing to do with it. Whether Kabam makes more, less, or the same amount of money, they still have to solve this problem. Exponentially increase the difficulty, logarithmically lower the rewards, or reduce unlimited consumable farming. You have to pick one. And as someone who used to farm potions and revives enough to actually know the statistical average return of those maps accurately, of those three options I dislike the third one the least.
I won't like seeing my revive farms disappear. But I think I would like seeing all future end game content be designed in such a way that neutralizes that advantage even less. Once it gets hard enough that even the top tier players are going to need hundreds of revives to complete it, what are players like me supposed to do? We'd be locked out completely. But that's where this ultimately goes, if it is left unchecked.
You pretty conveniently skipped over the solution that has been mentioned several times in this thread: item cap the quest then tune the difficulty so that it’s feasible. If its not about monetizing (it is) then this is the most obvious solution and the one which doesn’t screw the player base
Thank you for your feedback, we are reading every comment. Please keep your messages constructive; most of you have so far, thank you for that.
Based on the feedback in this thread, we have started internal discussions around adjusting revive/potion inventory caps. This is not a guaranteed change, but is what is most prominently being discussed.
These conversations will continue to take place behind the scenes and could grow to include other potential adjustments as well.
We will use this thread to provide updates if/when we have news to share.
Lifting the cap on revives/potions entirely seems like the only fair way to address the difficulty of some of the more challenging content like EOP. It was designed around the state of the game at the time which factored in revive farming. The average player is not going to be able to handle that with less than 50 revives going into it. I feel like this is all just a roundabout way of nerfing Hercules without nerfing him. I think the reception would be better if you guys just ripped the bandaid and nerfed him already so content doesn’t need to be overtuned and resource farming doesn’t need to be completely shut down
Weird how the discussion keeps bobbing back to Hercules. Kabam has shown that they are willing to nerf a champ and will weather the momentary backlash. It's not Hercules. The money they've banked from players trying to get Hercules absolutely mega-swamps the amount of money they theoretically never got because players didn't have to buy as many revives, especially when people keep talking about how broken and indispensable he is whenever Kabam does anything that can be spun as anti-player.
I fairly think this is one of the best decissions they could make, content is done too easily by people that are not even skilled enough to do it just spamming revives, so this encourages people to try to learn how to really play the game properly, not only this but makes the challenging things challenging, when people is able to do this content the first day it goes out just spamming 60 revives that means that something must be done, If anyone thinks that 2 revives PER DAY is not enough, that only shows how bad people became. Getting revives became way easier than before, so I think is fair to nerf the amount we can get by farming them.
The main problem I see here, is that they done this in the worst moment possible, since people need more revives because everything in the game is bugged, so they should have waited a little bit more to make this changes until they fixed at least half of the bugs they have currently in game.
And to be fair with Kabam, this is not a charity, this is a company, we already get almost everything free, I dont think its that bad to have to play more Arenas to get more revives for the hard content, or spending to get them.
I think its just a bad timing, but a really good decission, I expect a lot of disagrees but sorry fams, I dont think this is about opinions, since I repeat, you dont need more than 2 revives a day, or you shouldnt need them, If you need them then that means you are not playing properly, so you should try to change it, you dont wanna try to improve your skills? Then I think it is fair to pay for the revives then, and I say this being a F2P player.
Farming disagrees? How will that help your progression?
You should progress playing better, making your roster bigger, and getting resources playing if you dont want to spend money, but being able to farm the amount of revives you want because the challenges are too challenging for you is just nonsense.
If im not able to do X content, I shouldnt just spam revives, I should see why and fix it, If its because im not good enough, I improve my skills, if its because I dont have certain champions, I try to farm shards to look for them or grind arena to get those.
And as I said, I dont think they should make this change NOW, since the game is completely bugged, but it is not a bad change itself.
That’s such a dumb take. Everest content is literally impossible to do reviveless for most people. Carina challenges force you to use champs in non ideal matchups and most good players spent around 40 revives per path if they don’t have Hercules. The game issues also completely invalidate any skill that a player has, so unless you think every player is MSD, this isn’t happening.
But yeah, just say “gEt GoOd” as if that’s the problem here. Revive farming helps f2p players do the content without spending what units they’ve saved up. This isn’t a matter of skill, it’s a matter of having a Hercules and revive spamming through the rest of the content, even if you’re that good.
Yes, it is a bad change. Players need these revives for content like this and it was a good avenue for f2p players.
So many comments. Basically, when you are taking away a free item and making a user pay, this this greed, but the revive wasn't even free it was traded for energy. This is a very dangerous move considering the global economy is slipping into recession. Thirdly, how hard should hard content be this is the paragadim that needs to be addressed. The vast majority of players were using 50+ revives per run of EOP there are many threads, this says the content is too hard. We should be asking @kabam how many revives how many boosts are appropriate for a skilled player, not a freak which could be the top 2% of players. If kabam needs to support development by generating cash flow. selling items at a fair price to make purchasing more inclusive Australian are paying 50 dollars for mediocre items. I will never spend that amount for items which can be earnt in a week. Kabam also mention luck of the RNG it farming, this is part the reason why people spam revives as the RNG doesn't deliver the best champs needed for content. This is just a bad idea will will have catastrophic consequences
So your "solution" to this dumpster fire is to increase the inventory cap? That's amazing. It's astounding how tone deaf you are as a company sometimes.
Might as well make the cap a bazillion since there'll be no way to stock up on revives anyway. Actually, make it ten bazillion. Let's go crazy.
Lately we have all had increased deaths due to game issues. This move is one more step to make each death due to game input issues that much more punishing and frustrating.
Here are a few things you could do to keep us playing. 1) Fix the inputs 2) Increase the caps on revives/potions to 99 3) Replace each level of potion with a %. At least 10% per level. Ex. Lvl1 potion=10%, Lvl4=40% 4) Give Level 2 & Level 3 revives in the Apothecary and a chance at a Level 4. Increase that chance to at least 10%, preferably 25% 5) And please stop including punishing node/champ combos in difficult content that rely on you having the right champ or a large stash of revives. (And then blaming us for spamming revives is not cool)
If you're not sure what to do, please push this change off for awhile until the game is fixed to OUR satisfaction. We're the ones playing and we're the ones who will stop playing if you make the game no fun to play. We all enjoyed the game, which is why we're here, but that doesn't mean we'll stay no matter what you do. Thank you for giving me 4.5 years of fun in game. I hope to continue playing.
I fairly think this is one of the best decissions they could make, content is done too easily by people that are not even skilled enough to do it just spamming revives, so this encourages people to try to learn how to really play the game properly, not only this but makes the challenging things challenging, when people is able to do this content the first day it goes out just spamming 60 revives that means that something must be done, If anyone thinks that 2 revives PER DAY is not enough, that only shows how bad people became. Getting revives became way easier than before, so I think is fair to nerf the amount we can get by farming them.
The main problem I see here, is that they done this in the worst moment possible, since people need more revives because everything in the game is bugged, so they should have waited a little bit more to make this changes until they fixed at least half of the bugs they have currently in game.
And to be fair with Kabam, this is not a charity, this is a company, we already get almost everything free, I dont think its that bad to have to play more Arenas to get more revives for the hard content, or spending to get them.
I think its just a bad timing, but a really good decission, I expect a lot of disagrees but sorry fams, I dont think this is about opinions, since I repeat, you dont need more than 2 revives a day, or you shouldnt need them, If you need them then that means you are not playing properly, so you should try to change it, you dont wanna try to improve your skills? Then I think it is fair to pay for the revives then, and I say this being a F2P player.
Farming disagrees? How will that help your progression?
You should progress playing better, making your roster bigger, and getting resources playing if you dont want to spend money, but being able to farm the amount of revives you want because the challenges are too challenging for you is just nonsense.
If im not able to do X content, I shouldnt just spam revives, I should see why and fix it, If its because im not good enough, I improve my skills, if its because I dont have certain champions, I try to farm shards to look for them or grind arena to get those.
And as I said, I dont think they should make this change NOW, since the game is completely bugged, but it is not a bad change itself.
Hey buddy, maybe stop talking nonsense about getting better when content like Carina with 4* Starlord exists? Hows that “get better” works out for you in that content?
Yeah people only spends revives on Carina's Challenges, and spend only the necessary ones right?
Dude, people farm hundreds of revives just to dont care about playing worse, the thing on Carina's Challenge is to do it with the less amount of revives trying to play the best possible.
And still, I dont know how the hell people are this annoyed when Kabam still gives you AT LEAST, 2 revives a day, fam, most of the games give much less resources of this kind and try to make you pay most of the times for them.
I think Kabam made people to get used to easy things, and now that they say "Hey, we were too generous, so we are going to stop" people gets mad, feels like kids when they dont get the PS5 for Xmas and they get clothes instead.
We are still getting revives for free, if you need more than 2 per day to clear Carina's Challenges, then you shouldnt be trying Carina's Challenges just yet, as easy as that.
Thank you for your feedback, we are reading every comment. Please keep your messages constructive; most of you have so far, thank you for that.
Based on the feedback in this thread, we have started internal discussions around adjusting revive/potion inventory caps. This is not a guaranteed change, but is what is most prominently being discussed.
These conversations will continue to take place behind the scenes and could grow to include other potential adjustments as well.
We will use this thread to provide updates if/when we have news to share.
You’re not reading every comment. I was inactive for weeks only to find myself shadow banned without cause upon my return without having received ANY notice as to why. No warning, no removed posts, just an off button on my account
I fairly think this is one of the best decissions they could make, content is done too easily by people that are not even skilled enough to do it just spamming revives, so this encourages people to try to learn how to really play the game properly, not only this but makes the challenging things challenging, when people is able to do this content the first day it goes out just spamming 60 revives that means that something must be done, If anyone thinks that 2 revives PER DAY is not enough, that only shows how bad people became. Getting revives became way easier than before, so I think is fair to nerf the amount we can get by farming them.
The main problem I see here, is that they done this in the worst moment possible, since people need more revives because everything in the game is bugged, so they should have waited a little bit more to make this changes until they fixed at least half of the bugs they have currently in game.
And to be fair with Kabam, this is not a charity, this is a company, we already get almost everything free, I dont think its that bad to have to play more Arenas to get more revives for the hard content, or spending to get them.
I think its just a bad timing, but a really good decission, I expect a lot of disagrees but sorry fams, I dont think this is about opinions, since I repeat, you dont need more than 2 revives a day, or you shouldnt need them, If you need them then that means you are not playing properly, so you should try to change it, you dont wanna try to improve your skills? Then I think it is fair to pay for the revives then, and I say this being a F2P player.
Farming disagrees? How will that help your progression?
You should progress playing better, making your roster bigger, and getting resources playing if you dont want to spend money, but being able to farm the amount of revives you want because the challenges are too challenging for you is just nonsense.
If im not able to do X content, I shouldnt just spam revives, I should see why and fix it, If its because im not good enough, I improve my skills, if its because I dont have certain champions, I try to farm shards to look for them or grind arena to get those.
And as I said, I dont think they should make this change NOW, since the game is completely bugged, but it is not a bad change itself.
Hey buddy, maybe stop talking nonsense about getting better when content like Carina with 4* Starlord exists? Hows that “get better” works out for you in that content?
Yeah people only spends revives on Carina's Challenges, and spend only the necessary ones right?
Dude, people farm hundreds of revives just to dont care about playing worse, the thing on Carina's Challenge is to do it with the less amount of revives trying to play the best possible.
And still, I dont know how the hell people are this annoyed when Kabam still gives you AT LEAST, 2 revives a day, fam, most of the games give much less resources of this kind and try to make you pay most of the times for them.
I think Kabam made people to get used to easy things, and now that they say "Hey, we were too generous, so we are going to stop" people gets mad, feels like kids when they dont get the PS5 for Xmas and they get clothes instead.
We are still getting revives for free, if you need more than 2 per day to clear Carina's Challenges, then you shouldnt be trying Carina's Challenges just yet, as easy as that.
From your comments I can tell you haven’t done carina or any hard content. And definitely not recently. So tell us oh wise one. How is 2 revives. And mind you it’s not a guarantee a day. It’s again rng. Which they say they trying to get away from gonna do the hard content?
I fairly think this is one of the best decissions they could make, content is done too easily by people that are not even skilled enough to do it just spamming revives, so this encourages people to try to learn how to really play the game properly, not only this but makes the challenging things challenging, when people is able to do this content the first day it goes out just spamming 60 revives that means that something must be done, If anyone thinks that 2 revives PER DAY is not enough, that only shows how bad people became. Getting revives became way easier than before, so I think is fair to nerf the amount we can get by farming them.
The main problem I see here, is that they done this in the worst moment possible, since people need more revives because everything in the game is bugged, so they should have waited a little bit more to make this changes until they fixed at least half of the bugs they have currently in game.
And to be fair with Kabam, this is not a charity, this is a company, we already get almost everything free, I dont think its that bad to have to play more Arenas to get more revives for the hard content, or spending to get them.
I think its just a bad timing, but a really good decission, I expect a lot of disagrees but sorry fams, I dont think this is about opinions, since I repeat, you dont need more than 2 revives a day, or you shouldnt need them, If you need them then that means you are not playing properly, so you should try to change it, you dont wanna try to improve your skills? Then I think it is fair to pay for the revives then, and I say this being a F2P player.
Farming disagrees? How will that help your progression?
You should progress playing better, making your roster bigger, and getting resources playing if you dont want to spend money, but being able to farm the amount of revives you want because the challenges are too challenging for you is just nonsense.
If im not able to do X content, I shouldnt just spam revives, I should see why and fix it, If its because im not good enough, I improve my skills, if its because I dont have certain champions, I try to farm shards to look for them or grind arena to get those.
And as I said, I dont think they should make this change NOW, since the game is completely bugged, but it is not a bad change itself.
Didn't u become Paragon like 2 weeks ago? Why are u talking about progression as if u whaled out the first year it was available?
KABAM specifically mentioned higher tiered players gathering too many revives. Then why not base the availability on progression, like you do in stores. As Cav, it costs me WAY MORE to buy items, than Thronebreaker. Can’t you reverse that when it comes to farming, based on progression? Just make it tougher as you progress. That seems logical and fair.
Lol so the highest has harder access to revives, while attempting harder content?
I fairly think this is one of the best decissions they could make, content is done too easily by people that are not even skilled enough to do it just spamming revives, so this encourages people to try to learn how to really play the game properly, not only this but makes the challenging things challenging, when people is able to do this content the first day it goes out just spamming 60 revives that means that something must be done, If anyone thinks that 2 revives PER DAY is not enough, that only shows how bad people became. Getting revives became way easier than before, so I think is fair to nerf the amount we can get by farming them.
The main problem I see here, is that they done this in the worst moment possible, since people need more revives because everything in the game is bugged, so they should have waited a little bit more to make this changes until they fixed at least half of the bugs they have currently in game.
And to be fair with Kabam, this is not a charity, this is a company, we already get almost everything free, I dont think its that bad to have to play more Arenas to get more revives for the hard content, or spending to get them.
I think its just a bad timing, but a really good decission, I expect a lot of disagrees but sorry fams, I dont think this is about opinions, since I repeat, you dont need more than 2 revives a day, or you shouldnt need them, If you need them then that means you are not playing properly, so you should try to change it, you dont wanna try to improve your skills? Then I think it is fair to pay for the revives then, and I say this being a F2P player.
Farming disagrees? How will that help your progression?
You should progress playing better, making your roster bigger, and getting resources playing if you dont want to spend money, but being able to farm the amount of revives you want because the challenges are too challenging for you is just nonsense.
If im not able to do X content, I shouldnt just spam revives, I should see why and fix it, If its because im not good enough, I improve my skills, if its because I dont have certain champions, I try to farm shards to look for them or grind arena to get those.
And as I said, I dont think they should make this change NOW, since the game is completely bugged, but it is not a bad change itself.
That’s such a dumb take. Everest content is literally impossible to do reviveless for most people. Carina challenges force you to use champs in non ideal matchups and most good players spent around 40 revives per path if they don’t have Hercules. The game issues also completely invalidate any skill that a player has, so unless you think every player is MSD, this isn’t happening.
But yeah, just say “gEt GoOd” as if that’s the problem here. Revive farming helps f2p players do the content without spending what units they’ve saved up. This isn’t a matter of skill, it’s a matter of having a Hercules and revive spamming through the rest of the content, even if you’re that good.
Yes, it is a bad change. Players need these revives for content like this and it was a good avenue for f2p players.
Yep, you are right, and the game shouldnt be "Use Hercules and spam revives", thats why the change is good.
And again, if you do Everest content should be because you are in the group of top players of the game, the fact that people with not big enough roster or not enough skills tries to do it spamming revives doesnt mean that that Everest Content is meant for them, same with Carina's Challenges.
And I repeat once again, since no one likes to read this part, the CHANGE ITSELF is GOOD, the MOMENT THEY WANT TO APPLY IT is BAD, since the game is completely bugged and people use more revives to overcome those bugs than anything else.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve died in the last few months because the game has been broken and not by my own fault. The input controls have never truly been fixed, we’ve all just had to live with it and push through. So now we are punished even further for it. At least we could spend our time to try and farm some to try an balance it out. I’ve gone through my receipts and while I’m not a whale I’ve spent enough on this “game” to purchase a brand new car sadly. I’m done with that now. I’m not a cow that can be milked for every cent while problems continue to get brushed into the closet over and over and this is where the teams focus is. At this point the closet door is about to burst open.
Also commenting on my original post… isn’t it a coincidence that when it’s a “loophole”, “exploit” ETC for the player… IT MUST BE INSTANTLY TAKEN DOWN AND PATCHED… but when it’s bugs that are causing the game strife and hurting the player base.. kabam responses with, “that’s just the game” “it’s the players fault”.
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Also what about changes and actions the community and player base has been begging for months? No permanent bans against modders. It's only fair to also listen to the player base's concerns. Not to mention bugs which there are tons of right now. Many of those are related to the AI like launching SP3 without 3 bars, coming out of stuns too quickly, randomly speeding up, etc
If im not able to do X content, I shouldnt just spam revives, I should see why and fix it, If its because im not good enough, I improve my skills, if its because I dont have certain champions, I try to farm shards to look for them or grind arena to get those.
And as I said, I dont think they should make this change NOW, since the game is completely bugged, but it is not a bad change itself.
Content has always been hard, not just now.
I will definitely quit if this goes ahead.
What if there was a hard cap on the amount of revives we could have at once?
No unlimited revive farming into overflow, just a hard cap. I think a fair limit for this cap would be 50 of the t1 revives. That way most people could still do the content without the need for tons of arena or spending and we don’t run into the issue of people trivializing content by saving hundreds of revives.
Of course you could bypass this cap by spending units on t2 revives which won’t have the cap so if you really need to you can grind arena for those extra revives.
Again, this is just a proposed solution which I think is a decent compromise so if you guys want to add your voice as well feel free to.
As Cav, it costs me WAY MORE to buy items, than Thronebreaker.
Can’t you reverse that when it comes to farming, based on progression?
Just make it tougher as you progress. That seems logical and fair.
Wrong, everyday you get 1 revive exploring the hard difficulty, and another one by the daily quest, and seriously, we shouldnt need to relay on revives to do content, if we need some revives because it is hard content, okay, fair, but people try to speed up things just spamming revives, thats not the way to progress.
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But yeah, just say “gEt GoOd” as if that’s the problem here. Revive farming helps f2p players do the content without spending what units they’ve saved up. This isn’t a matter of skill, it’s a matter of having a Hercules and revive spamming through the rest of the content, even if you’re that good.
Yes, it is a bad change. Players need these revives for content like this and it was a good avenue for f2p players.
Basically, when you are taking away a free item and making a user pay, this this greed, but the revive wasn't even free it was traded for energy.
This is a very dangerous move considering the global economy is slipping into recession.
Thirdly, how hard should hard content be this is the paragadim that needs to be addressed. The vast majority of players were using 50+ revives per run of EOP there are many threads, this says the content is too hard. We should be asking @kabam how many revives how many boosts are appropriate for a skilled player, not a freak which could be the top 2% of players.
If kabam needs to support development by generating cash flow. selling items at a fair price to make purchasing more inclusive Australian are paying 50 dollars for mediocre items. I will never spend that amount for items which can be earnt in a week.
Kabam also mention luck of the RNG it farming, this is part the reason why people spam revives as the RNG doesn't deliver the best champs needed for content.
This is just a bad idea will will have catastrophic consequences
Might as well make the cap a bazillion since there'll be no way to stock up on revives anyway. Actually, make it ten bazillion. Let's go crazy.
Here are a few things you could do to keep us playing.
1) Fix the inputs
2) Increase the caps on revives/potions to 99
3) Replace each level of potion with a %. At least 10% per level. Ex. Lvl1 potion=10%, Lvl4=40%
4) Give Level 2 & Level 3 revives in the Apothecary and a chance at a Level 4. Increase that chance to at least 10%, preferably 25%
5) And please stop including punishing node/champ combos in difficult content that rely on you having the right champ or a large stash of revives. (And then blaming us for spamming revives is not cool)
If you're not sure what to do, please push this change off for awhile until the game is fixed to OUR satisfaction. We're the ones playing and we're the ones who will stop playing if you make the game no fun to play. We all enjoyed the game, which is why we're here, but that doesn't mean we'll stay no matter what you do. Thank you for giving me 4.5 years of fun in game. I hope to continue playing.
Dude, people farm hundreds of revives just to dont care about playing worse, the thing on Carina's Challenge is to do it with the less amount of revives trying to play the best possible.
And still, I dont know how the hell people are this annoyed when Kabam still gives you AT LEAST, 2 revives a day, fam, most of the games give much less resources of this kind and try to make you pay most of the times for them.
I think Kabam made people to get used to easy things, and now that they say "Hey, we were too generous, so we are going to stop" people gets mad, feels like kids when they dont get the PS5 for Xmas and they get clothes instead.
We are still getting revives for free, if you need more than 2 per day to clear Carina's Challenges, then you shouldnt be trying Carina's Challenges just yet, as easy as that.
Remove inventory caps on potions completely and change healing potions to percentage based.
And again, if you do Everest content should be because you are in the group of top players of the game, the fact that people with not big enough roster or not enough skills tries to do it spamming revives doesnt mean that that Everest Content is meant for them, same with Carina's Challenges.
And I repeat once again, since no one likes to read this part, the CHANGE ITSELF is GOOD, the MOMENT THEY WANT TO APPLY IT is BAD, since the game is completely bugged and people use more revives to overcome those bugs than anything else.
I’ve gone through my receipts and while I’m not a whale I’ve spent enough on this “game” to purchase a brand new car sadly. I’m done with that now. I’m not a cow that can be milked for every cent while problems continue to get brushed into the closet over and over and this is where the teams focus is. At this point the closet door is about to burst open.