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Lots of Rintrah bugs added to Trello

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  • SearmenisSearmenis Posts: 1,545 ★★★★★
    AverageDesi said:

    Searmenis said:

    I have some questions.

    1- Don't you have any other bugs to fix before "improving" older champions? Like, I don't know, PARRY?

    2- This is the reason the buff program is paused, because you try to find bugs in older champions?

    3- Why CCP never even mentioned even one of those "not working as intended" attributes/abilities/stats?

    4- How come you found all these now? Because this is not by chance, you have to say "ok, now it s Rintrah time, let's nitpick the guy" to find bugs that have differences like "5 seconds instead of 6" etc.

    5- Why don't you just give every champion 2 two basic attacks and a heavy and be done with it? This constant "rebalance" is getting out of hand.

    Damned if you do . Damned if you don't.
    funny girl.
  • SearmenisSearmenis Posts: 1,545 ★★★★★
    GinjabredMonsta said:

    Searmenis said:

    Noob_Master69 said:

    Searmenis said:

    I have some questions.

    1- Don't you have any other bugs to fix before "improving" older champions? Like, I don't know, PARRY?

    2- This is the reason the buff program is paused, because you try to find bugs in older champions?

    3- Why CCP never even mentioned even one of those "not working as intended" attributes/abilities/stats?

    4- How come you found all these now? Because this is not by chance, you have to say "ok, now it s Rintrah time, let's nitpick the guy" to find bugs that have differences like "5 seconds instead of 6" etc.

    5- Why don't you just give every champion 2 two basic attacks and a heavy and be done with it? This constant "rebalance" is getting out of hand.

    Not Kabam ofcourse but lemme try:

    1. They've discussed multiple times that this is a hard issue to solve, more than likely different people are working on these thing
    2. I literally have no clue what these things would have to do with eachother, I could also say "Oh buff program is paused because you're working on banning modders" makes just as much sense
    3. Because CCP does not know everything??
    4. Rintrah has been incredibly bugged since the moment he came out, I'm pretty sure just about every part of him has been broken at one point or another
    5. What??? How is this a rebalance, it's literally fixing bugs. And like Miike has said they haven't made decisions yet as to how they're gonna fix them, they might change the in game text, or they might change his abilities, we straight up don't know that. And to add to that, some of the issues currently are detrimental to the player, do you think those shouldn't be fixed or made clearer in text?
    1- Yeah, they re working on these things for more than TWO YEARS now. SUre sure.
    2- Same people messing with champion s abilities and stats. It s not different departments.
    3- They don't, but their purpose of existing is to test stuff, not opening crystals with the money they get from their channels. Especially since it snot "one single hidden bug somewhere in the corner", there s a whole pit of bugs here!
    4- Nobody ever said anything of the sort.
    5- That's why I said "rebalance" and not rebalance. And if you want my opinion, in general, since a bug is not harmful to the player and is running for ages, they should leave it as it is. We will see what they ll decide on this though.
    It’s obvious here you don’t know what you’re talking about and just want to rage for the sake of raging
    It s obvious you re pro kabam, so I don't need your opinion.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 35,537 ★★★★★
    Vergeman78 said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    BeastDad said:

    Sounds like a lot of things that are pro player are not working.

    Isn't that normally how bugs work?
    No, the pro player ones never have to be listed on Trello. They get fixed immediately
    You mean like Mole Man? Like Drax? Like Kraven? Like AA? The list goes on.
    Also, there is no such thing as a "pro-Player" or "pro-Kabam" bug. If it's a bug, it's not good for anyone.

  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 20,140 ★★★★★
    Searmenis said:

    Noob_Master69 said:

    Searmenis said:

    I have some questions.

    1- Don't you have any other bugs to fix before "improving" older champions? Like, I don't know, PARRY?

    2- This is the reason the buff program is paused, because you try to find bugs in older champions?

    3- Why CCP never even mentioned even one of those "not working as intended" attributes/abilities/stats?

    4- How come you found all these now? Because this is not by chance, you have to say "ok, now it s Rintrah time, let's nitpick the guy" to find bugs that have differences like "5 seconds instead of 6" etc.

    5- Why don't you just give every champion 2 two basic attacks and a heavy and be done with it? This constant "rebalance" is getting out of hand.

    Not Kabam ofcourse but lemme try:

    1. They've discussed multiple times that this is a hard issue to solve, more than likely different people are working on these thing
    2. I literally have no clue what these things would have to do with eachother, I could also say "Oh buff program is paused because you're working on banning modders" makes just as much sense
    3. Because CCP does not know everything??
    4. Rintrah has been incredibly bugged since the moment he came out, I'm pretty sure just about every part of him has been broken at one point or another
    5. What??? How is this a rebalance, it's literally fixing bugs. And like Miike has said they haven't made decisions yet as to how they're gonna fix them, they might change the in game text, or they might change his abilities, we straight up don't know that. And to add to that, some of the issues currently are detrimental to the player, do you think those shouldn't be fixed or made clearer in text?
    1- Yeah, they re working on these things for more than TWO YEARS now. SUre sure.
    2- Same people messing with champion s abilities and stats. It s not different departments.
    3- They don't, but their purpose of existing is to test stuff, not opening crystals with the money they get from their channels. Especially since it snot "one single hidden bug somewhere in the corner", there s a whole pit of bugs here!
    4- Nobody ever said anything of the sort.
    5- That's why I said "rebalance" and not rebalance. And if you want my opinion, in general, since a bug is not harmful to the player and is running for ages, they should leave it as it is. We will see what they ll decide on this though.
    Lol. Wow.
  • Da2Vero33ManDa2Vero33Man Posts: 146 ★
    Kabam Miike said:

    So, we have not decided what to do with Rintrah yet. These are up there so that everybody is aware, but there hasn't been a course of action plotted. Rintrah is BUGGY from what you can see. We'll keep you all updated, but wanted to make sure we let you know about the bugs in advance.

    Please, Rintrah needs a rebalance - of a sort. He is a defender of the highest quality in AW and Battlegrounds. The main reason is as a defender Rintrah sits back … a lot. The matches in Battlegrounds are too short , then add the buffs the defender gets and the debuffs the attacker gets and it makes Rintrah a virtual wall in Battlegrounds. He’s a Bull. He should become more aggressive as he loses life. Or some change similar to that. Beating Rintrah is not the issue. Beating (and knocking out) Rintrah in the short time given in Battlegrounds is. He’s a tank that sits back and hits very hard in a counter. I am force to chose Rintrah every time as one of the champs to block simply because he is difficult to kill in the short time frame given.

  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,071 ★★★★★
    DrZola said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    So, we have not decided what to do with Rintrah yet. These are up there so that everybody is aware, but there hasn't been a course of action plotted. Rintrah is BUGGY from what you can see. We'll keep you all updated, but wanted to make sure we let you know about the bugs in advance.

    The part that reads “we have not decided what to do with Rintrah yet” is concerning. The kit is great, he’s fun to play and he’s been a staple of BGs on attack and defense the last few seasons.

    Significant change—even *pro player* significant change—isn’t good for the game. There are still folks sore over small changes from years back (cf. the Drax double hit vs. Mordo astral evade).

    I would hope whatever gets done is done with a lot of consultation and communication and testing. That would hopefully involve more than just a few CCP checking it out.

    Dr. Zola
    I think “we have not decided what to do with Rintrah yet” is a very good thing. Normally the process would be to fix all the bugs ASAP. But seeing how fixing se of these(neutralize duration and chance)) would make rintrah weaker, they've not decided to go forward with it and is considering what to do.
  • Da2Vero33ManDa2Vero33Man Posts: 146 ★
    iDestroyerZ said:

    Da2Vero33Man said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    So, we have not decided what to do with Rintrah yet. These are up there so that everybody is aware, but there hasn't been a course of action plotted. Rintrah is BUGGY from what you can see. We'll keep you all updated, but wanted to make sure we let you know about the bugs in advance.

    Please, Rintrah needs a rebalance - of a sort. He is a defender of the highest quality in AW and Battlegrounds. The main reason is as a defender Rintrah sits back … a lot. The matches in Battlegrounds are too short , then add the buffs the defender gets and the debuffs the attacker gets and it makes Rintrah a virtual wall in Battlegrounds. He’s a Bull. He should become more aggressive as he loses life. Or some change similar to that. Beating Rintrah is not the issue. Beating (and knocking out) Rintrah in the short time given in Battlegrounds is. He’s a tank that sits back and hits very hard in a counter. I am force to chose Rintrah every time as one of the champs to block simply because he is difficult to kill in the short time frame given.

    Sunspot destroys him :) with a mechanic that's based on knock down the defender and without any buffs, you can easily kill him....along with other counters, he doesn't need rebalance
    Please provide a link to a video showing Sunspot (in Battlegrounds) defeating Rintrah. Thanks.
  • ReignkingTWReignkingTW Posts: 1,675 ★★★★
    Dang an ICQ reference...
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Posts: 1,908 ★★★★★
    edited July 24
    Kabam Miike said:

    So, we have not decided what to do with Rintrah yet. These are up there so that everybody is aware, but there hasn't been a course of action plotted. Rintrah is BUGGY from what you can see. We'll keep you all updated, but wanted to make sure we let you know about the bugs in advance.

    So is the Trello board now the official way to inform every player of bugs? This didn't go so well last time.

    Perhaps the Game Team should try an in-game mail regarding Rintrah's bugs before someone chooses him in their next mystic abyss nexus crystal...
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 20,140 ★★★★★
    Bugmat78 said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    So, we have not decided what to do with Rintrah yet. These are up there so that everybody is aware, but there hasn't been a course of action plotted. Rintrah is BUGGY from what you can see. We'll keep you all updated, but wanted to make sure we let you know about the bugs in advance.

    So is the Trello board now the official way to inform every players of bugs? This didn't go so well last time.

    Perhaps the Game Team should try an in-game mail regarding Rintrah's bugs before someone chooses him in their next mystic abyss nexus crystal...
    If was the official way when the introduced it last year in October.
  • iDestroyerZiDestroyerZ Posts: 470 ★★★
    Da2Vero33Man said:

    iDestroyerZ said:

    Da2Vero33Man said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    So, we have not decided what to do with Rintrah yet. These are up there so that everybody is aware, but there hasn't been a course of action plotted. Rintrah is BUGGY from what you can see. We'll keep you all updated, but wanted to make sure we let you know about the bugs in advance.

    Please, Rintrah needs a rebalance - of a sort. He is a defender of the highest quality in AW and Battlegrounds. The main reason is as a defender Rintrah sits back … a lot. The matches in Battlegrounds are too short , then add the buffs the defender gets and the debuffs the attacker gets and it makes Rintrah a virtual wall in Battlegrounds. He’s a Bull. He should become more aggressive as he loses life. Or some change similar to that. Beating Rintrah is not the issue. Beating (and knocking out) Rintrah in the short time given in Battlegrounds is. He’s a tank that sits back and hits very hard in a counter. I am force to chose Rintrah every time as one of the champs to block simply because he is difficult to kill in the short time frame given.

    Sunspot destroys him :) with a mechanic that's based on knock down the defender and without any buffs, you can easily kill him....along with other counters, he doesn't need rebalance
    Please provide a link to a video showing Sunspot (in Battlegrounds) defeating Rintrah. Thanks.
    It's kinda exhausting to have to record a fight, post it on youtube and then here, since i play with sunspot all the time i'll talk you through
    What you're gonna do is do a 5 hit combo, then parry and give 1 medium and then start charging your heavy and then cancel your heavy with your sp1 (similar what you do with captain beardo when he cancel his heavy with sp2), then you will do the same thing for a second time....after that you will simply charge your heavy to gain power just enough to throw your sp2....if rintrah survives that, you will parry and then go for your sp2 once again (by charging your heavy), usually they don't survive 2 sp2 but you know, depends on the fight
    Hope this helps ^^
  • I_tell_no_tales_1I_tell_no_tales_1 Posts: 1,077 ★★★★
    Not touching my 6* Rintrah now
    Mr. Moo is gonna be at r1 for a while...
  • I_tell_no_tales_1I_tell_no_tales_1 Posts: 1,077 ★★★★
    Darkness275 said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    So, we have not decided what to do with Rintrah yet. These are up there so that everybody is aware, but there hasn't been a course of action plotted. Rintrah is BUGGY from what you can see. We'll keep you all updated, but wanted to make sure we let you know about the bugs in advance.

    I can tell you exactly what you're going to do with Rintrah.

    If his descriptions say he should be performing better than he is, you're going to change the descriptions so it reflects how he plays and currently functions. Or you will be tuning him down to reflect "what you meant for the descriptions and outputs to reflect."

    There's absolutely no way you'll be buffing Rintrah to the level he was intended. We'll be fed some comment about "Those are the numbers that were originally intended... but we did internal testing and it turns out he was too powerful, so we actually tuned Rintrah down BEFORE his release just forgot to change the descriptions. There's no change or outrage needed here, someone just failed to update the profile."

    I'm also sure that someone wrote a post-it note and put it on ICQ during Rintrah's balancing period so of course players have been informed this whole time.
    Let's take Screenshot of the current description incase they change it later...
  • TheRoguesTheRogues Posts: 5 ★
    This is weird and all, but they better cough up those rank down tickets if they are about to slice Rintrah up like Zemo and Kraven. Some of us players that doesn't spend in-game needs to be very specific to whom we rank up with our hard earned materials unlike other players. Always sad to see a champ go.
  • Jaymix79Jaymix79 Posts: 230 ★★★
    TheRogues said:

    This is weird and all, but they better cough up those rank down tickets if they are about to slice Rintrah up like Zemo and Kraven. Some of us players that doesn't spend in-game needs to be very specific to whom we rank up with our hard earned materials unlike other players. Always sad to see a champ go.

    Not sure you needed to add ‘unlike other players’.

  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 20,140 ★★★★★
    Bugmat78 said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Bugmat78 said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    So, we have not decided what to do with Rintrah yet. These are up there so that everybody is aware, but there hasn't been a course of action plotted. Rintrah is BUGGY from what you can see. We'll keep you all updated, but wanted to make sure we let you know about the bugs in advance.

    So is the Trello board now the official way to inform every players of bugs? This didn't go so well last time.

    Perhaps the Game Team should try an in-game mail regarding Rintrah's bugs before someone chooses him in their next mystic abyss nexus crystal...
    If was the official way when the introduced it last year in October.
    To inform every single player in the game? I think not, and you are being disingenuous for suggesting that.
    Right .. I guess this announcement was just for show.. https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/315984/introducing-the-mcoc-community-bugs-and-issues-tracker#latest

    That's why the forums exist. To inform everyone. The Trello board is accessable through the forums.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 20,140 ★★★★★
    AverageDesi said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Bugmat78 said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Bugmat78 said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    So, we have not decided what to do with Rintrah yet. These are up there so that everybody is aware, but there hasn't been a course of action plotted. Rintrah is BUGGY from what you can see. We'll keep you all updated, but wanted to make sure we let you know about the bugs in advance.

    So is the Trello board now the official way to inform every players of bugs? This didn't go so well last time.

    Perhaps the Game Team should try an in-game mail regarding Rintrah's bugs before someone chooses him in their next mystic abyss nexus crystal...
    If was the official way when the introduced it last year in October.
    To inform every single player in the game? I think not, and you are being disingenuous for suggesting that.
    Right .. I guess this announcement was just for show.. https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/315984/introducing-the-mcoc-community-bugs-and-issues-tracker#latest

    That's why the forums exist. To inform everyone. The Trello board is accessable through the forums.
    Regardless of the forums being accessible, fact is trello is only viewed by a very tiny minority of players. And it's upto Kabam to make it more popular. And in game message wouldn't hurt
    Sure. We've all seen how effective in-game messages are. Hundreds of threads that have been created that would have been prevented if they had just read the in-game messages.
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