About the modding situation currently

DarkNightRise · July 2023

Hi guys, please look at the stats I got here. I just don’t understand why there is no bleed damage in the stats even though the attackers got hit received? Are those people modding or not? If yes, this is an alarming because I matched with them 3 out my last 8 match yesterday.
Besides, I really want to discuss about how is sophisticated battleground situation currently if you don’t check the stats and found it like me. We barely see any obvious modders with less than 15s fight this season and I think they evolve to much better level as well. Let share your experience to discuss about it.

Noob_Master69 · July 2023

Why are you expecting them to have gotten bleeds?
Are you refering to "Sharpened Claws"? I'm pretty sure that only bleeds when getting hit in block, not a normal hit

But I may very well be wrong

Furrymoosen · July 2023

These fights look fine.

DarkNightRise · July 2023

Noob_Master69 said:
Why are you expecting them to have gotten bleeds?
Are you refering to "Sharpened Claws"? I'm pretty sure that only bleeds when getting hit in block, not a normal hit

But I may very well be wrong

Yeah I know it but take a look at the Hercules fight and think. He got only 1 hit received which I pretty sure that is a parry! Because if he got hit in the face it must be 2 or more or even through the block! So, it should be a bleed damage which is not here

Tx_Quack_Attack6589 · July 2023

DarkNightRise said:

Noob_Master69 said:
Why are you expecting them to have gotten bleeds?
Are you refering to "Sharpened Claws"? I'm pretty sure that only bleeds when getting hit in block, not a normal hit

But I may very well be wrong
Yeah I know it but take a look at the Hercules fight and think. He got only 1 hit received which I pretty sure that is a parry! Because if he got hit in the face it must be 2 or more or even through the block! So, it should be a bleed damage which is not here

Herc takes reduced bleed damage potency

Noob_Master69 · July 2023

DarkNightRise said:

Noob_Master69 said:
Why are you expecting them to have gotten bleeds?
Are you refering to "Sharpened Claws"? I'm pretty sure that only bleeds when getting hit in block, not a normal hit

But I may very well be wrong
Yeah I know it but take a look at the Hercules fight and think. He got only 1 hit received which I pretty sure that is a parry! Because if he got hit in the face it must be 2 or more or even through the block! So, it should be a bleed damage which is not here

The AI is weird and unpredictable sometimes, and hits into block don't count as hits received so no clue what you're talking about

DarkNightRise · July 2023

Furrymoosen said:
These fights look fine.

That’s why I brought here to discuss and I did not confirm they absolutely modder man! But from your experience in this meta with my those defenders, can you do it without a single accidentally block hit? And look at the Hercules fight I have explained above, with that only 1 hit received it’s impossible to be a normal hit instead of a parry! and had to be a bleed damage here

A_Fungi · July 2023

Noob_Master69 said:

DarkNightRise said:

Noob_Master69 said:
Why are you expecting them to have gotten bleeds?
Are you refering to "Sharpened Claws"? I'm pretty sure that only bleeds when getting hit in block, not a normal hit

But I may very well be wrong
Yeah I know it but take a look at the Hercules fight and think. He got only 1 hit received which I pretty sure that is a parry! Because if he got hit in the face it must be 2 or more or even through the block! So, it should be a bleed damage which is not here
The AI is weird and unpredictable sometimes, and hits into block don't count as hits received so no clue what you're talking about

Hits into block do count on that BG stat checker

DarkNightRise · July 2023

Noob_Master69 said:

DarkNightRise said:

Noob_Master69 said:
Why are you expecting them to have gotten bleeds?
Are you refering to "Sharpened Claws"? I'm pretty sure that only bleeds when getting hit in block, not a normal hit

But I may very well be wrong
Yeah I know it but take a look at the Hercules fight and think. He got only 1 hit received which I pretty sure that is a parry! Because if he got hit in the face it must be 2 or more or even through the block! So, it should be a bleed damage which is not here
The AI is weird and unpredictable sometimes, and hits into block don't count as hits received so no clue what you're talking about

Hitting to block count as hit received man! I’m pretty sure on it and you can ask other people to confirm it!

DarkNightRise · July 2023

Tx_Quack_Attack6589 said:

DarkNightRise said:

Noob_Master69 said:
Why are you expecting them to have gotten bleeds?
Are you refering to "Sharpened Claws"? I'm pretty sure that only bleeds when getting hit in block, not a normal hit

But I may very well be wrong
Yeah I know it but take a look at the Hercules fight and think. He got only 1 hit received which I pretty sure that is a parry! Because if he got hit in the face it must be 2 or more or even through the block! So, it should be a bleed damage which is not here
Herc takes reduced bleed damage potency

Agree bro but the stats still indicate the bleed damage actually!

Noob_Master69 · July 2023

DarkNightRise said:

Noob_Master69 said:

DarkNightRise said:

Noob_Master69 said:
Why are you expecting them to have gotten bleeds?
Are you refering to "Sharpened Claws"? I'm pretty sure that only bleeds when getting hit in block, not a normal hit

But I may very well be wrong
Yeah I know it but take a look at the Hercules fight and think. He got only 1 hit received which I pretty sure that is a parry! Because if he got hit in the face it must be 2 or more or even through the block! So, it should be a bleed damage which is not here
The AI is weird and unpredictable sometimes, and hits into block don't count as hits received so no clue what you're talking about
Hitting to block count as hit received man! I’m pretty sure on it and you can ask other people to confirm it!

Alright, I'll retract that point then, my bad, never noticed that!

DarkNightRise · July 2023

Noob_Master69 said:

DarkNightRise said:

Noob_Master69 said:

DarkNightRise said:

Noob_Master69 said:
Why are you expecting them to have gotten bleeds?
Are you refering to "Sharpened Claws"? I'm pretty sure that only bleeds when getting hit in block, not a normal hit

But I may very well be wrong
Yeah I know it but take a look at the Hercules fight and think. He got only 1 hit received which I pretty sure that is a parry! Because if he got hit in the face it must be 2 or more or even through the block! So, it should be a bleed damage which is not here
The AI is weird and unpredictable sometimes, and hits into block don't count as hits received so no clue what you're talking about
Hitting to block count as hit received man! I’m pretty sure on it and you can ask other people to confirm it!
Alright, I'll retract that point then, my bad, never noticed that!

You good bro! And I even did not accuse that they’re modder as well! Just brought here so we can look and discuss about it and just wondering can you guys do this good level in this meta like those people (remember this is only arcane not Celes). What i concern it if they’re really modder so it’s quite scary because how smart and sophisticated modding level

ahmynuts · July 2023

DarkNightRise said:

Noob_Master69 said:
Why are you expecting them to have gotten bleeds?
Are you refering to "Sharpened Claws"? I'm pretty sure that only bleeds when getting hit in block, not a normal hit

But I may very well be wrong
Yeah I know it but take a look at the Hercules fight and think. He got only 1 hit received which I pretty sure that is a parry! Because if he got hit in the face it must be 2 or more or even through the block! So, it should be a bleed damage which is not here

I've been tagged before with only 1 hit from the enemy. Doesnt happen often though

Furrymoosen · July 2023

DarkNightRise said:

Furrymoosen said:
These fights look fine.
That’s why I brought here to discuss and I did not confirm they absolutely modder man! But from your experience in this meta with my those defenders, can you do it without a single accidentally block hit? And look at the Hercules fight I have explained above, with that only 1 hit received it’s impossible to be a normal hit instead of a parry! and had to be a bleed damage here

You can do entire fights without taking a hit into the block, especially with a champ like Hercules. And consider this. Hercules has his infuriate debuff that reduces offensive ability accuracy by 60%. There is the possibility that he did indeed parry for that one hit, but then because of the AA reduction didn’t get hit with the bleeds.

DarkNightRise · July 2023

Furrymoosen said:

DarkNightRise said:

Furrymoosen said:
These fights look fine.
That’s why I brought here to discuss and I did not confirm they absolutely modder man! But from your experience in this meta with my those defenders, can you do it without a single accidentally block hit? And look at the Hercules fight I have explained above, with that only 1 hit received it’s impossible to be a normal hit instead of a parry! and had to be a bleed damage here

You can do entire fights without taking a hit into the block, especially with a champ like Hercules. And consider this. Hercules has his infuriate debuff that reduces offensive ability accuracy by 60%. There is the possibility that he did indeed parry for that one hit, but then because of the AA reduction didn’t get hit with the bleeds.

I don’t remember Hercules have reduce AA ability in his kit actually

DNA3000 · July 2023

Furrymoosen said:

DarkNightRise said:

Furrymoosen said:
These fights look fine.
That’s why I brought here to discuss and I did not confirm they absolutely modder man! But from your experience in this meta with my those defenders, can you do it without a single accidentally block hit? And look at the Hercules fight I have explained above, with that only 1 hit received it’s impossible to be a normal hit instead of a parry! and had to be a bleed damage here

You can do entire fights without taking a hit into the block, especially with a champ like Hercules. And consider this. Hercules has his infuriate debuff that reduces offensive ability accuracy by 60%. There is the possibility that he did indeed parry for that one hit, but then because of the AA reduction didn’t get hit with the bleeds.

That's a good point. If you're playing Herc as if the opponent was unblockable (to avoid the bleed on block damage) then you probably would be trying to land a lot of infuriates and constantly intercepting the opponent. That kind of fight would simultaneously ramp up his feats and reduce the chances of taking a blocked hit. And if they did parry once, the odds are decent the bleed wouldn't trigger.

Demonzfyre · July 2023

DarkNightRise said:

Furrymoosen said:
These fights look fine.
That’s why I brought here to discuss and I did not confirm they absolutely modder man! But from your experience in this meta with my those defenders, can you do it without a single accidentally block hit? And look at the Hercules fight I have explained above, with that only 1 hit received it’s impossible to be a normal hit instead of a parry! and had to be a bleed damage here

If you were open to discussion, the title of your post wouldn't have been "about the modding situation currently". Your mind is made up already and now you're not getting the validation you wanted.

DarkNightRise · July 2023

Demonzfyre said:

DarkNightRise said:

Furrymoosen said:
These fights look fine.
That’s why I brought here to discuss and I did not confirm they absolutely modder man! But from your experience in this meta with my those defenders, can you do it without a single accidentally block hit? And look at the Hercules fight I have explained above, with that only 1 hit received it’s impossible to be a normal hit instead of a parry! and had to be a bleed damage here

If you were open to discussion, the title of your post wouldn't have been "about the modding situation currently". Your mind is made up already and now you're not getting the validation you wanted.

Yes because in my opinion they’re modding by removing at least bleed damage or even something beyond which I’m not sure. But I did not confirm it yet that’s why I brought it to this topic to ask you guys how do you think about it. And that’s what ai want you to contribute to this topic as well

DarkNightRise · July 2023

DNA3000 said:

Furrymoosen said:

DarkNightRise said:

Furrymoosen said:
These fights look fine.
That’s why I brought here to discuss and I did not confirm they absolutely modder man! But from your experience in this meta with my those defenders, can you do it without a single accidentally block hit? And look at the Hercules fight I have explained above, with that only 1 hit received it’s impossible to be a normal hit instead of a parry! and had to be a bleed damage here

You can do entire fights without taking a hit into the block, especially with a champ like Hercules. And consider this. Hercules has his infuriate debuff that reduces offensive ability accuracy by 60%. There is the possibility that he did indeed parry for that one hit, but then because of the AA reduction didn’t get hit with the bleeds.
That's a good point. If you're playing Herc as if the opponent was unblockable (to avoid the bleed on block damage) then you probably would be trying to land a lot of infuriates and constantly intercepting the opponent. That kind of fight would simultaneously ramp up his feats and reduce the chances of taking a blocked hit. And if they did parry once, the odds are decent the bleed wouldn't trigger.

Her’s ability does not allow that like the way AA have man. He reduces the bleed damage but it’s still trigger and it should indicated in the stats as well unless they’re modding

Pikolu · July 2023

DarkNightRise said:

DNA3000 said:

Furrymoosen said:

DarkNightRise said:

Furrymoosen said:
These fights look fine.
That’s why I brought here to discuss and I did not confirm they absolutely modder man! But from your experience in this meta with my those defenders, can you do it without a single accidentally block hit? And look at the Hercules fight I have explained above, with that only 1 hit received it’s impossible to be a normal hit instead of a parry! and had to be a bleed damage here

You can do entire fights without taking a hit into the block, especially with a champ like Hercules. And consider this. Hercules has his infuriate debuff that reduces offensive ability accuracy by 60%. There is the possibility that he did indeed parry for that one hit, but then because of the AA reduction didn’t get hit with the bleeds.
That's a good point. If you're playing Herc as if the opponent was unblockable (to avoid the bleed on block damage) then you probably would be trying to land a lot of infuriates and constantly intercepting the opponent. That kind of fight would simultaneously ramp up his feats and reduce the chances of taking a blocked hit. And if they did parry once, the odds are decent the bleed wouldn't trigger.
Her’s ability does not allow that like the way AA have man. He reduces the bleed damage but it’s still trigger and it should indicated in the stats as well unless they’re modding

Infuriate literally reduces opponents offensive ability accuracy by 60%. This means when the opponent hits you, if something triggers, then it is affected by the offensive ability accuracy. Thus each bleed only has a 40% chance to trigger which isn't mathematically improbable to have all 5 fail.

Furrymoosen · July 2023

DarkNightRise said:

DNA3000 said:

Furrymoosen said:

DarkNightRise said:

Furrymoosen said:
These fights look fine.
That’s why I brought here to discuss and I did not confirm they absolutely modder man! But from your experience in this meta with my those defenders, can you do it without a single accidentally block hit? And look at the Hercules fight I have explained above, with that only 1 hit received it’s impossible to be a normal hit instead of a parry! and had to be a bleed damage here

You can do entire fights without taking a hit into the block, especially with a champ like Hercules. And consider this. Hercules has his infuriate debuff that reduces offensive ability accuracy by 60%. There is the possibility that he did indeed parry for that one hit, but then because of the AA reduction didn’t get hit with the bleeds.
That's a good point. If you're playing Herc as if the opponent was unblockable (to avoid the bleed on block damage) then you probably would be trying to land a lot of infuriates and constantly intercepting the opponent. That kind of fight would simultaneously ramp up his feats and reduce the chances of taking a blocked hit. And if they did parry once, the odds are decent the bleed wouldn't trigger.
Her’s ability does not allow that like the way AA have man. He reduces the bleed damage but it’s still trigger and it should indicated in the stats as well unless they’re modding

DNA didn’t say anything about reduced bleeds, they were echoing my comment about the AA reduction from Herc’s infuriate. The AA reduction can easily result in bleeds not coming through that one blocked hit if the opponent was infuriated. But as for all the fights, it is possible to play the game without blocking. It’s a game mechanic, not a game requirement.

DarkNightRise · July 2023

Pikolu said:

DarkNightRise said:

DNA3000 said:

Furrymoosen said:

DarkNightRise said:

Furrymoosen said:
These fights look fine.
That’s why I brought here to discuss and I did not confirm they absolutely modder man! But from your experience in this meta with my those defenders, can you do it without a single accidentally block hit? And look at the Hercules fight I have explained above, with that only 1 hit received it’s impossible to be a normal hit instead of a parry! and had to be a bleed damage here

You can do entire fights without taking a hit into the block, especially with a champ like Hercules. And consider this. Hercules has his infuriate debuff that reduces offensive ability accuracy by 60%. There is the possibility that he did indeed parry for that one hit, but then because of the AA reduction didn’t get hit with the bleeds.
That's a good point. If you're playing Herc as if the opponent was unblockable (to avoid the bleed on block damage) then you probably would be trying to land a lot of infuriates and constantly intercepting the opponent. That kind of fight would simultaneously ramp up his feats and reduce the chances of taking a blocked hit. And if they did parry once, the odds are decent the bleed wouldn't trigger.
Her’s ability does not allow that like the way AA have man. He reduces the bleed damage but it’s still trigger and it should indicated in the stats as well unless they’re modding
Infuriate literally reduces opponents offensive ability accuracy by 60%. This means when the opponent hits you, if something triggers, then it is affected by the offensive ability accuracy. Thus each bleed only has a 40% chance to trigger which isn't mathematically improbable to have all 5 fail.

Yeah to fail all 5 bleeds the chance are 0.4^5 which is impossible right? If only this match, I will still believe that very rare case could happen but look at the rest especially the match Galan vs Nova, if you have faced Nova you will know to how hard to intercept him with his autoblock ability, the point is this Galan did it without a single block hit make me very suspicious. So, I believe the possibility that some people modding by remove bleed damage is more obvious then.

DNA3000 · July 2023

DarkNightRise said:

Pikolu said:

DarkNightRise said:

DNA3000 said:

Furrymoosen said:

DarkNightRise said:

Furrymoosen said:
These fights look fine.
That’s why I brought here to discuss and I did not confirm they absolutely modder man! But from your experience in this meta with my those defenders, can you do it without a single accidentally block hit? And look at the Hercules fight I have explained above, with that only 1 hit received it’s impossible to be a normal hit instead of a parry! and had to be a bleed damage here

You can do entire fights without taking a hit into the block, especially with a champ like Hercules. And consider this. Hercules has his infuriate debuff that reduces offensive ability accuracy by 60%. There is the possibility that he did indeed parry for that one hit, but then because of the AA reduction didn’t get hit with the bleeds.
That's a good point. If you're playing Herc as if the opponent was unblockable (to avoid the bleed on block damage) then you probably would be trying to land a lot of infuriates and constantly intercepting the opponent. That kind of fight would simultaneously ramp up his feats and reduce the chances of taking a blocked hit. And if they did parry once, the odds are decent the bleed wouldn't trigger.
Her’s ability does not allow that like the way AA have man. He reduces the bleed damage but it’s still trigger and it should indicated in the stats as well unless they’re modding
Infuriate literally reduces opponents offensive ability accuracy by 60%. This means when the opponent hits you, if something triggers, then it is affected by the offensive ability accuracy. Thus each bleed only has a 40% chance to trigger which isn't mathematically improbable to have all 5 fail.
Yeah to fail all 5 bleeds the chance are 0.4^5 which is impossible right?

Assuming each bleed is an independent trigger, each bleed has a 40% to trigger and a 60% chance to misfire. Thus the odds of missing all five are 0.6 ^ 5 = 0.078 or about 7.8%, which is approximately one chance in thirteen.

ahmynuts · July 2023

DarkNightRise said:

Pikolu said:

DarkNightRise said:

DNA3000 said:

Furrymoosen said:

DarkNightRise said:

Furrymoosen said:
These fights look fine.
That’s why I brought here to discuss and I did not confirm they absolutely modder man! But from your experience in this meta with my those defenders, can you do it without a single accidentally block hit? And look at the Hercules fight I have explained above, with that only 1 hit received it’s impossible to be a normal hit instead of a parry! and had to be a bleed damage here

You can do entire fights without taking a hit into the block, especially with a champ like Hercules. And consider this. Hercules has his infuriate debuff that reduces offensive ability accuracy by 60%. There is the possibility that he did indeed parry for that one hit, but then because of the AA reduction didn’t get hit with the bleeds.
That's a good point. If you're playing Herc as if the opponent was unblockable (to avoid the bleed on block damage) then you probably would be trying to land a lot of infuriates and constantly intercepting the opponent. That kind of fight would simultaneously ramp up his feats and reduce the chances of taking a blocked hit. And if they did parry once, the odds are decent the bleed wouldn't trigger.
Her’s ability does not allow that like the way AA have man. He reduces the bleed damage but it’s still trigger and it should indicated in the stats as well unless they’re modding
Infuriate literally reduces opponents offensive ability accuracy by 60%. This means when the opponent hits you, if something triggers, then it is affected by the offensive ability accuracy. Thus each bleed only has a 40% chance to trigger which isn't mathematically improbable to have all 5 fail.
Yeah to fail all 5 bleeds the chance are 0.4^5 which is impossible right? If only this match, I will still believe that very rare case could happen but look at the rest especially the match Galan vs Nova, if you have faced Nova you will know to how hard to intercept him with his autoblock ability, the point is this Galan did it without a single block hit make me very suspicious. So, I believe the possibility that some people modding by remove bleed damage is more obvious then.

The chance would be rolled on each bleed independently not successively so each bleed would have a 60% chance to fail

KingLotus · July 2023

Bla bla bla …

About the modding situation currently

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