6* champs hits lower vs 7* champs

I noticed 6* champs damage output is significantly lower vs 7* champs than vs 6*.
Why's that? (The 7* had no stat focus equipped)

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ahmynuts

Chal;enger rating i believe

Red_Lightning02

Chal;enger rating i believe

I see. So would a 7* r2 champ on attack be more relevant than a 6* r5 ascended?

DarkEternity

Chal;enger rating i believe
Please explain

So this is something I really despise about MCoC because they don’t actually explain it anywhere. Basically there’s this invisible statistic called “challenger rating”, it affects the crit chance, combat power rate, that sorta thing. For instance, a 6* R5 has 150 challenger rating but a 7* R1 has 200. It usually starts at a base (6* is 100, 7* is 200) and raises by 10 each rank.

Red_Lightning02

Chal;enger rating i believe
Please explain
So this is something I really despise about MCoC because they don’t actually explain it anywhere. Basically there’s this invisible statistic called “challenger rating”, it affects the crit chance, combat power rate, that sorta thing. For instance, a 6* R5 has 150 challenger rating but a 7* R1 has 200. It usually starts at a base (6* is 100, 7* is 200) and raises by 10 each rank.

Thank you for the explanation.
So it basically means that 7* r2 champs would be much more reliable than 6* r5 ascended right?

Pikolu

Chal;enger rating i believe
Please explain
So this is something I really despise about MCoC because they don’t actually explain it anywhere. Basically there’s this invisible statistic called “challenger rating”, it affects the crit chance, combat power rate, that sorta thing. For instance, a 6* R5 has 150 challenger rating but a 7* R1 has 200. It usually starts at a base (6* is 100, 7* is 200) and raises by 10 each rank.
Thank you for the explanation.
So it basically means that 7* r2 champs would be much more reliable than 6* r5 ascended right?

Depends what you're facing and if you like to crit or not.

SpideyFunko

i hate challenger rating- like i sort of get it but also why make this a thing but never explain it

willrun4adonut

I've never heard of Challenger rating before. Can someone explain it even more in-depth, or is that it?

Red_Lightning02

Chal;enger rating i believe
Please explain
So this is something I really despise about MCoC because they don’t actually explain it anywhere. Basically there’s this invisible statistic called “challenger rating”, it affects the crit chance, combat power rate, that sorta thing. For instance, a 6* R5 has 150 challenger rating but a 7* R1 has 200. It usually starts at a base (6* is 100, 7* is 200) and raises by 10 each rank.
Thank you for the explanation.
So it basically means that 7* r2 champs would be much more reliable than 6* r5 ascended right?
Depends what you're facing and if you like to crit or not.

I like using kitty a lot and she crits very often. Does that mean she will suck vs 7* defenders?

Red_Lightning02

Also why are people hitting the disagree button on the post? It's not my personal opinion it's a fact you can check on yourself - 6* champs hits much lower vs 7* champs than they do vs 6* champs

o_o

Also why are people hitting the disagree button on the post? It's not my personal opinion it's a fact you can check on yourself - 6* champs hits much lower vs 7* champs than they do vs 6* champs

Just FYI, asking why people are hitting disagree is a sure-fire way to get more disagrees

HungaryHippo

Been saying that 7r1 feel much stronger than 6r5. This is going to get much worse as 7* defenders become the norm across regular game modes. It's why I don't use catalysts on 6*.

ahmynuts

i hate challenger rating- like i sort of get it but also why make this a thing but never explain it

It really was one of the worst things they added to this game imo. It would have been so easy to have an explanation in game of this entire mechanic and not have to have players discover the announcement from like 2016 by chance because one of us here brings it up every so often

Red_Lightning02

Been saying that 7r1 feel much stronger than 6r5. This is going to get much worse as 7* defenders become the norm across regular game modes. It's why I don't use catalysts on 6*.

Couldn't describe it any better.
My 6* r5 kitty hits 9k mediums vs a 6* and guess what? 6k mediums vs 7*.
That basically means that I'm gonna take a 7* to r2 and use him for 90% of my war fights as the 6* kitty that I love so much is now worthless.

Wolf911

Been saying that 7r1 feel much stronger than 6r5. This is going to get much worse as 7* defenders become the norm across regular game modes. It's why I don't use catalysts on 6*.
Couldn't describe it any better.
My 6* r5 kitty hits 9k mediums vs a 6* and guess what? 6k mediums vs 7*.
That basically means that I'm gonna take a 7* to r2 and use him for 90% of my war fights as the 6* kitty that I love so much is now worthless.

Maybe it's because of stat focus as well. If armor rating stat focus is used on defence it reduces the damage from all sources this would be the cause along with challenger rating stuff

SummonerNR

I've never heard of Challenger rating before. Can someone explain it even more in-depth, or is that it?

Well, you asked for it.
The Kabam and @DNA3000 doctoral thesis writeups describing such.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/2317/challenger-rating-explained

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/176360/frequently-asked-questions-about-combat-and-combat-mechanics#latest

Although, at that time, the highest Challenger Rating was 120.
120 CR for both a 5* r5 and a 6* r2.
Where relatively equivalent ranks from different Star versions have the same CR.
Newer CR numbers mentioned higher up here, saying 6*r5 has CR of 150 is in line with increasing by 10 for each new Rank.

But 7*r1 having CR of 200, I believe is maybe similar to how 7* no longer has escalating Power Gain Rates for each new Rank. Their CR may also start out at 200 and continue to be 200 even when ranked up all the way to eventual max. (can someone confirm that with a 7*r2).

LeNoirFaineant

Also why are people hitting the disagree button on the post? It's not my personal opinion it's a fact you can check on yourself - 6* champs hits much lower vs 7* champs than they do vs 6* champs

I gave you an insightful just to combat the haters lol. Nothing wrong with your question.

AMS94

Chal;enger rating i believe
Please explain
So this is something I really despise about MCoC because they don’t actually explain it anywhere. Basically there’s this invisible statistic called “challenger rating”, it affects the crit chance, combat power rate, that sorta thing. For instance, a 6* R5 has 150 challenger rating but a 7* R1 has 200. It usually starts at a base (6* is 100, 7* is 200) and raises by 10 each rank.
Thank you for the explanation.
So it basically means that 7* r2 champs would be much more reliable than 6* r5 ascended right?

Yes
Just use a 7* Domino against a 6*, & u'll see she crits a lot more, procs a lot more bleeds on her specials & all that RNG stuff that she is famous/infamous for
All that is bcoz of a higher challenger rating
It is more apparent in case of chance based abilities

ahmynuts

I've never heard of Challenger rating before. Can someone explain it even more in-depth, or is that it?
Well, you asked for it.
The Kabam and @DNA3000 doctoral thesis writeups describing such.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/2317/challenger-rating-explained

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/176360/frequently-asked-questions-about-combat-and-combat-mechanics#latest

Although, at that time, the highest Challenger Rating was 120.
120 CR for both a 5* r5 and a 6* r2.
Where relatively equivalent ranks from different Star versions have the same CR.
Newer CR numbers mentioned higher up here, saying 6*r5 has CR of 150 is in line with increasing by 10 for each new Rank.

But 7*r1 having CR of 200, I believe is maybe similar to how 7* no longer has escalating Power Gain Rates for each new Rank. Their CR may also start out at 200 and continue to be 200 even when ranked up all the way to eventual max. (can someone confirm that with a 7*r2).

These really should be pinned at the top of the forums tbh

HungaryHippo

Been saying that 7r1 feel much stronger than 6r5. This is going to get much worse as 7* defenders become the norm across regular game modes. It's why I don't use catalysts on 6*.
Couldn't describe it any better.
My 6* r5 kitty hits 9k mediums vs a 6* and guess what? 6k mediums vs 7*.
That basically means that I'm gonna take a 7* to r2 and use him for 90% of my war fights as the 6* kitty that I love so much is now worthless.

Not worthless but a lot weaker. 7* are just freakishly strong. Ascension won’t affect challenger rating so it won’t feel as strong as it seems.

DUHveed

I've never heard of Challenger rating before. Can someone explain it even more in-depth, or is that it?
Well, you asked for it.
The Kabam and @DNA3000 doctoral thesis writeups describing such.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/2317/challenger-rating-explained

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/176360/frequently-asked-questions-about-combat-and-combat-mechanics#latest

Although, at that time, the highest Challenger Rating was 120.
120 CR for both a 5* r5 and a 6* r2.
Where relatively equivalent ranks from different Star versions have the same CR.
Newer CR numbers mentioned higher up here, saying 6*r5 has CR of 150 is in line with increasing by 10 for each new Rank.

But 7*r1 having CR of 200, I believe is maybe similar to how 7* no longer has escalating Power Gain Rates for each new Rank. Their CR may also start out at 200 and continue to be 200 even when ranked up all the way to eventual max. (can someone confirm that with a 7*r2).

R2 7*s still have a higher challenger rating. My r2 Joe has a 210 challenger rating versus my r1 Gambit who has 200

Searmenis

Chal;enger rating i believe
Please explain
So this is something I really despise about MCoC because they don’t actually explain it anywhere. Basically there’s this invisible statistic called “challenger rating”, it affects the crit chance, combat power rate, that sorta thing. For instance, a 6* R5 has 150 challenger rating but a 7* R1 has 200. It usually starts at a base (6* is 100, 7* is 200) and raises by 10 each rank.
Thank you for the explanation.
So it basically means that 7* r2 champs would be much more reliable than 6* r5 ascended right?

It will be either way, since the ascension is just an attack and health boost, every other stat remains the same.