This post is about bullseye
Samanun
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Bullseye is impossible to fight. bullseye is so incredibly dumb for lack of a better word that even with counter you’ll still take some amount of damage (often a very considerable amount) no matter how skilled you are which is a problem. As a player i should always feel as if any mistake that happens is my fault nothing should ever feel unavoidable, which is quite literally the main theme of bullseyes kit i obviously get wanting/needing to add hard defenders but there’s a way to do that without making them utterly impossible and just downright un-fun.
If you use Dexterity you bleed, if you block you bleed and get crit through block, his special 1 cannot be avoided and if you block it you bleed and get crit through block, if he gets killer instinct you cannot hit him, you need him to throw a special to get rid of killer instinct and you aren’t able to hit him very much before he gets killer instinct, if you stun him and try to hit him while he has killer instinct he’ll purify it and full combo you, he cannot miss, and slow or any type of ability accuracy reduction doesn’t work on killer instinct, you need a champion that shuts off evade entirely even if you brought someone like iceman id imagine it’d be pretty impossible to avoid chip damage either from the special 1 or from just blocking hit’s trying to push him up to a special 2, or someone like Gorr who can heal back most if not all the damage but i don’t feel like the only way to fight a champion should be getting smacked around or using unconventional methods and i would rather play the game the way it’s meant to be played and i would imagine that’s the intent of any game dev as well.
On a slightly separate note, another issue is i don't want to feel forced to ban a champion, i’ve had to fight so many people lately with bullseye onslaught and maestro and i am forced to ban those 3 because they will ban the only counters i have for them meaning i cant ban any of their rank 3’s or nukes like i would do usually, there isn’t actually any strategy to bans anymore and it feels like someones telling me what to do, and i really don't like being told what to do.
If you use Dexterity you bleed, if you block you bleed and get crit through block, his special 1 cannot be avoided and if you block it you bleed and get crit through block, if he gets killer instinct you cannot hit him, you need him to throw a special to get rid of killer instinct and you aren’t able to hit him very much before he gets killer instinct, if you stun him and try to hit him while he has killer instinct he’ll purify it and full combo you, he cannot miss, and slow or any type of ability accuracy reduction doesn’t work on killer instinct, you need a champion that shuts off evade entirely even if you brought someone like iceman id imagine it’d be pretty impossible to avoid chip damage either from the special 1 or from just blocking hit’s trying to push him up to a special 2, or someone like Gorr who can heal back most if not all the damage but i don’t feel like the only way to fight a champion should be getting smacked around or using unconventional methods and i would rather play the game the way it’s meant to be played and i would imagine that’s the intent of any game dev as well.
On a slightly separate note, another issue is i don't want to feel forced to ban a champion, i’ve had to fight so many people lately with bullseye onslaught and maestro and i am forced to ban those 3 because they will ban the only counters i have for them meaning i cant ban any of their rank 3’s or nukes like i would do usually, there isn’t actually any strategy to bans anymore and it feels like someones telling me what to do, and i really don't like being told what to do.
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Look at bishop, he was a real pain after the buff. But now we have a couple good options.
I think the biggest issue with bullseye is that the best counter to him right now is a 7 year old champ.
That must be why nobody has managed to beat any of the EQs yet. Guess we'll all miss out on Deathless King Groot.
even with counter you’ll still take some amount of damage (often a very considerable amount) no matter how skilled you are which is a problem.
I don't think this is technically true. There are also ways of regaining health in the game that make it so you can end with a full yellow bar even after taking damage, so just taking damage does not imply a problem.
As a player i should always feel as if any mistake that happens is my fault nothing should ever feel unavoidable, which is quite literally the main theme of bullseyes kit
Not true. Maybe an understandable opinion, but ROL seemed impossible at one point. Your definition of "unavoidable" changes as you get better at the game.
If you use Dexterity you bleed, if you block you bleed and get crit through block, his special 1 cannot be avoided and if you block it you bleed and get crit through block, if he gets killer instinct you cannot hit him, you need him to throw a special to get rid of killer instinct and you aren’t able to hit him very much before he gets killer instinct, if you stun him and try to hit him while he has killer instinct he’ll purify it and full combo you, he cannot miss, and slow or any type of ability accuracy reduction doesn’t work on killer instinct, you need a champion that shuts off evade entirely even if you brought someone like iceman id imagine it’d be pretty impossible to avoid chip damage either from the special 1 or from just blocking hit’s trying to push him up to a special 2, or someone like Gorr who can heal back most if not all the damage but i don’t feel like the only way to fight a champion should be getting smacked around or using unconventional methods and i would rather play the game the way it’s meant to be played and i would imagine that’s the intent of any game dev as well.
Feels like you could have taken a breath there somewhere.
On a slightly separate note, another issue is i don't want to feel forced to ban a champion, i’ve had to fight so many people lately with bullseye onslaught and maestro and i am forced to ban those 3 because they will ban the only counters i have for them meaning i cant ban any of their rank 3’s or nukes like i would do usually, there isn’t actually any strategy to bans anymore and it feels like someones telling me what to do, and i really don't like being told what to do.
I mean, it seems like your strategy is "ban champs that I hate fighting", which is kinda what the ban is for. Not everyone needs to ban them, and some people can bring in multiple counters. the opponent is also not guaranteed to have a chance to pick them if you don't ban them. Part of the strategy of BGs is to draft problem fights for them so they are forced to choose between champs that are solid defenders and answers to the problems you set for them.
I appreciate a good hyperbole, but there are legit answers to most problems in-game. Maybe send us your roster and we can give you advice on how to strategize against those three defenders. Could be a more productive use of your time, though venting is certainly better than yeeting your phone into a wall, so there's that.
But the thing with her (and Bishop and now Bullseye) is that there were counters already in the game if you knew where to look. A favorite of mine for both Peni and Bishop was Silver Surfer, but there were plenty of options. So let’s talk about Bullseye’s options.
First, the hardest counter currently widely available: Iceman. Coldsnap prevents the evade, it’s easy to spam Iceman’s sp1 to maintain it, has good damage output, and he’s bleed immune. You say seven-year old champ like it’s a bad thing, that just means he’s easily accessible to most developed rosters which is great. I had my 6* at r5 sig 200 long before Bullseye hit the game, and he’s aged like fine wine in so much content (especially since his buff).
Other counters include: Bishop, both Storms, and Onslaught because they inflict passive stuns when the debuff is shrugged, champs like Gorr and Lady Deathstrike who heal from the bleeds, and any bleed immune hero or #metal champ coupled with White Mags Guidance prefight. I know this isn’t helpful in Battlegrounds (unless you are just straight up using White Mags, which honestly may not be the *worst* idea?), but in questing and war, that Guidance prefight makes the fight sooooo easy. Especially if you’re using a champ that already wants to just parry/heavy (AA isn’t even bleed immune, but I bet if you threw Guidance on the fight, he’d carve right through Bullseye).
My point is that solutions do exist in the game. I’m sure come like August or September we’re gonna get some perfect mutant hard counter for Bullseye, but in the meantime, let’s work with what we’ve got.
Bishop is a nice counter, as soon as he gets out of the stun he gets passively stunned, and Bishops purifies the bleeds, a decent counter at least
I've used Domino in Gauntlet Bullseye, died once but it's doable honestly.
You have to just play patience. Spam sp1 and just let AI do dash in dash back 3 times before it'll throw it's sp1 🤗
In BGs don’t try this matchup unless ur opponent has a deathmatch .
Actually any regeneration champion can take Bullseye, they just regen from the damage
He can't counter the evasion, and takes the same block/bleed damage as everyone else. Corvus has the ability to not take damage from bleed debuffs - instant bleeds work against him just fine.
Proxima, on the other hand, does very nicely against Bullseye.