Carina Challenge Compromise

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  • A_FungiA_Fungi Member Posts: 1,006 ★★★★

    well Obiviously everyone of us is hesitant to rank up a champ who is in 7* pool.
    Yep... sitting here waiting to see if I pull a 7 star ironman or antman before taking them up. Doing the others first.
  • A_FungiA_Fungi Member Posts: 1,006 ★★★★

    You can take a 6* Champ up for the challenge and Sig them much easier. With enough patience you can even Ascend them.
    Ascending a champ for this challenge would be very short sighted and a poor use of resources
  • Karatemike415Karatemike415 Member, Administrator, Content Creators Posts: 724 Content Creator
    edited February 2024
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,754 ★★★★★
    A_Fungi said:

    Ascending a champ for this challenge would be very short sighted and a poor use of resources
    This is the problem I'm highlighting. The purpose of Resources is for whatever you need or want them for. I understand being cautious and prudent, but there's also such thing as being closed-minded in our choices. The game isn't always going to accommodate our refusal to use Mats on Champs we call "trash".
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,320 ★★★★★

    Why do you need a 7*?

    lol right. I mean I get it .. to make it easier but still.

    I think where we're headed unfortunately is content being made difficult just for the sake of being difficult. I know a lot is made of the "end game" users dying for difficult content because the game is too easy but that's just not true. They'll complete whatever content there is within a day anyway. And none of it will be truly difficult to that group of players anyway.

    It shouldn't be just about making difficult content but rather making difficult content fun and engaging as well. The Abs Man fight for instance .. it's not fun. It's not engaging. It's just a bunch of things thrown together to be difficult. And that's not what the community wants.

    Necropolis was the pinnacle of how to achieve this in my opinion. It's not difficult at all to the end gamers. But for the community at large it was difficult yet fun and engaging especially with the Road to Necropolis thrown in. And somehow, in just a short time .. all that momentum is gone.
  • A_FungiA_Fungi Member Posts: 1,006 ★★★★

    This is the problem I'm highlighting. The purpose of Resources is for whatever you need or want them for. I understand being cautious and prudent, but there's also such thing as being closed-minded in our choices. The game isn't always going to accommodate our refusal to use Mats on Champs we call "trash".
    Oh, I am using loads of materials to rank the champs up. I actually think most of the avengers team is pretty good and could potentially come in handy in BGs.

    But ascension dust is very scarce. I'll throw on some boosts and use a couple extra revives instead. Less permanent decision.
  • IKONIKON Member Posts: 1,360 ★★★★★
    The rewards are 95% champion acquisition, with only a 1-2 generic gem in there for rank up materials. This essentially means anyone who passes on these challenges isn't really losing much of anything.

    You should be very happy these challenges do not include T4A or even an R3 gem, and as long as this is the model, make the challenges as hard as you want imo.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    I disagree. These all obviously had an insane amount of thought invested into them (if you played them, you'd understand), but it is in the execution and the state of the game surrounding these challenges that makes these all so awful.
    This, exactly my thoughts. A lot of thought went into these challenges, and you can tell. The only problem is they decided to make them straight up bs instead of making them challenging but fun, which was imo a terrible idea after seeing how pissed off the community was with that WoW Abs Man.
    That is the main reason I am concerned about the future state of the game personally cause if this is the direction they're going in then I'll be stuck doing EQ SQ and story content the rest of the year with no interesting events or challenges. I absolutely hate challenging content that's full of bs, there's a reason Act 6 has been nerfed so many times and nobody enjoys Abyss, this needs to stop.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,631 ★★★★★
    edited February 2024
    Deacon said:

    A solo is a solo isn't it though? The manner in which it is solo'd shouldn't matter. Use cheese, milk whatever ...a solo is a solo so why did it matter?

    Let me scale back on the "no thought" thing. I think that's being taken too literally 😂. Obviously there was thought put into it ... what I mean is that it isn't creative at all. To me.

    The Avengers thing .. I mean it was cool ... there was something there but leaving Hulk off to stop a solo doesn't make any sense. You missed an opportunity for a lot of "stongest Avenger" community talk etc. It's just not creative to me. But again, that's just my puny opinion mate lol

    I appreciate the responses nonetheless Karate Mike. You've always been one of the few creators who I thought was just a genuine dude loving the game. But still ... to ME ... none of those challenges were creative or fun. And the community agrees.

    Not every opinion or response especially in disagreement has to be villain vs hero. We're adults (I'm assuming) ... it's just conversation in the end ... at least to me.

    Can I ask how using Hulk to stun lock everyone would be creative?
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 4,917 ★★★★★

    Why do you need a 7*?

    Its not just what rogers said, go look at Pepes livestream, hes a skilled player , the first one to do Necro, places high in BGs but look how much of a disaster his Mojo run went with the 6*. That challenge has some of the worst fights possible. You are not going to bother until you get the 7* unless your made of units/money that you can dispose of
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,462 ★★★★★
    I do think some of the cots to do this challenge were only looked at from the top 1% angle ie where even carrying a champ to r5 you won't use outside the challenge, arena or for personal challenges is negligible due to the rewards received weekly from AQ, AW and maybe BGs.

    It's why the lack of inclusion of rank-up materials (even if just specific to the gate champs) was a bitoff-putting.
  • MikeHancho31MikeHancho31 Member Posts: 247 ★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Say goodbye to probably at least 5 of your favorite champs
    Don't care
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,754 ★★★★★
    A_Fungi said:

    Oh, I am using loads of materials to rank the champs up. I actually think most of the avengers team is pretty good and could potentially come in handy in BGs.

    But ascension dust is very scarce. I'll throw on some boosts and use a couple extra revives instead. Less permanent decision.
    I suppose. It was scarce. I've seen more than I expected. I even used some on my Dani. No regrets.
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,320 ★★★★★

    I just don't see how you could possibly conclude that a team of 5 under-appreciated Champs synergizing together like puzzle pieces in a way that allows them to solo 21 difficult fights, which nobody thought to be possible, isn't "creative" - only because Hulk doesn't get to cheese the entire thing.

    Frankly, putting Hulk in the challenge would show a lack of creativity.
    But, I guess I can't change your mind there.

    And I will say again, everyone I've talked to who has tried it has told me they've had a lot of fun 🤷🏻‍♀️
    Even if they didn't expect to. As a community, we seem very quick to judge everything before giving it the old college try, which honestly is a bit disappointing.

    Regardless, we are adults here, and the forums are in fact for conversing with one another 🤙🏻
    I see your point. But it's that itself that doesn't speak to creativity to me but rather "let me just do something that will be difficult". I can raise you an Inhuman team and accomplish the same. But truth be told .. I'm kinda weird. I don't like what most people like .. been that way since elementary school 😂. Don't like the Broncos but love the Cowboys ... yeah I'm weird lol

    So you have my permission to take all of this with that particular grain of salt.

    For the record .. I don't think you have anything ... absolutely nothing to hold your head low about or regret ... and the personal things that I'm sure have come your way have been incredibly atrocious and unwarranted. Your contributions to the community man speak for themselves ... and I for one am glad you do what you do.

    But still .. I don't think your challenge is fun 😂
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    But the community should? Carinas challenge #69- Defeat Act 3 Thanos will only Rank 3 7*'s. Rewards- Generic 7* Rank 6 gem.
    I don't think anyone is actually asking for something as ridiculous as that, we just want fun challenging content 🙂
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,557 ★★★★★

    well Obiviously everyone of us is hesitant to rank up a champ who is in 7* pool.
    A 6* r5 sig 200 Mojo, when ramped, has an attack value of 12,012. This is not ascended (because I don’t think Auntm.ai has ascension information).

    A 7* r2 sig 20 Mojo, when ramped, has an attack value of 10,456. It isn’t until sig 80 that the 7* r2 passes the 6* in terms of attack value.

    The 7*’s real advantage comes from the healthpool, having an additional 12k health at r2 as compared to the r5 6*. This is a lot, but is only really relevant if you’re planning on healing to full on every revive, which I think would be prohibitively expensive for most fights. I think I would do it for those fights which have unavoidable damage interactions, but skip it otherwise and just ride with 40% health since Mojo has some pretty decent regen on prompt completion.

    Finally, while stat focus is obviously a huge benefit in most cases, the bulk of Mojo’s damage comes from his degeneration, which does not scale with any stat focus option. As such, I don’t know that stat focus is necessarily as big of a deal for him specifically as it is for other champs.

    Anyway, this isn’t meant to necessarily convince anybody on one option being better than the other, it’s just a write up so you have all the information. Personally, I took my 6* Mojo to r5 about two days before he was announced to be coming to the game as a 7*, and I haven’t been lucky enough to pull him yet. I might be lying to myself to make myself feel better, but I think that since he’s good on both offense and defense, when I pull him I could stick the 7* on war defense and keep the 6* as an attacker.

    Hope this helps with preparations!
  • MikeHancho31MikeHancho31 Member Posts: 247 ★★★

    But the community should? Carinas challenge #69- Defeat Act 3 Thanos will only Rank 3 7*'s. Rewards- Generic 7* Rank 6 gem.
    Especially the community. The devs can get ideas from what people discuss, but people who play as a job shouldn't have any say. That goes for any game.
  • MikeHancho31MikeHancho31 Member Posts: 247 ★★★

    Oof. No my guy. Just no.
    Yes
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,631 ★★★★★

    Yes
    Go ahead, what's your idea for a Carinas challenge?
  • AshacekarAshacekar Member Posts: 2,287 ★★★★★
    Ashacekar said:

    Those who are doing it are few anyways and if they did it, it means they had the champs in the best shape, the revives, the time to do it all, they would have obviously found it fun so they did it in first place. You will see streams from msd, Nagase, Pepe etc. You may not see a guide by MCoC Noob for a generic mass.

    But you have done your job, any interpretation on ultimate challenge is right. Zemo and Avengers ones are good enough and fun if you have rankups on the specific champs and want to go all out on revives wherever applicable.
    Didn't phrase it well I think. So as Miike told those who did it liked it so i m saying they are few. The top players are mostly doing it because they can and won't have issues. It's not unlikely they wouldn't find it fun. Basically ignoring feedback from masses and focusing only on top few who played it just not enough sampling. So just mean if you are that top player and have the resources, it will feel fun for you.

    This response is called "moving the goal posts".
    Goal post is same, Goalkeeper tricked you to miss the shot.
  • H3t3rH3t3r Member, Guardian Posts: 2,882 Guardian

    I don't think anyone is actually asking for something as ridiculous as that, we just want fun challenging content 🙂
    These ccp challenges are fun and challenging wdym 🙂
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