Apple Now Requires Game Developers to disclose odds on "Loot Boxes" [MERGED THREADS]

Vdh2008

Any comments on this?

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/21/16805674/apple-loot-box-app-store-games-odds-probability-disclosure

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GroundedWisdom

You know you're hungry for arguments when you bicker over expressions.

CoatHang3r

The pedantry being displayed over eggcorn like intensive purposes is hilariously funny considering people so freely shirk thier pedantry when it comes to the definition of gambling. Keep it up guys I’m laughing.

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RagamugginGunner

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

For all intensive purposes is the common colloquial referral to the expression. I'm commenting, not publishing.
It really doesn't matter what they're looking to ban. The law states that it is not Gambling. It is not, by the very definition. Since the game is produced in Canada and affiliated in the U.S., those legislations are the ones we are discussing.

Wrong.

supermanMKZ

Kabam disclosing percentages can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned! I've pulled about 12 5* and 3 of them have been colossus!? I mean seriously, given the size of the pool now how is that even possible unless the rates are rigged against "good" champs?

supermanMKZ

Anyone else see results like these? I would've rather almost anyone, at least theyd serve a purpose in arena grind.

Vision_41

I wish they made everyone equal. But I don't think they are bad champions. They are champions that are less efficient than other champions

Nexus_UY_Scuti

Disclosure of drop rates will not improve your pulls.

As long as it is not a 0% chance, you are technically able to pull 100 Colossus in a row.

GroundedWisdom

We don't know what will come, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Kestrelle

supermanMKZ wrote: »

Kabam disclosing percentages can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned! I've pulled about 12 5* and 3 of them have been colossus!? I mean seriously, given the size of the pool now how is that even possible unless the rates are rigged against "good" champs?

Sadly, this is how randomness works

GroundedWisdom

Kestrelle wrote: »

supermanMKZ wrote: »

Kabam disclosing percentages can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned! I've pulled about 12 5* and 3 of them have been colossus!? I mean seriously, given the size of the pool now how is that even possible unless the rates are rigged against "good" champs?

Sadly, this is how randomness works

That's correct. It's random. Not a system that removes what you pulled previously from the pool. It doesn't take any information in, for that matter. You open the Crystal and it accesses the same pool and generates a separate outcome each time. There aren't multiple algorithms based on how much you spend or what you pull before. Theoretically you could pull 10 Colossus in a row.
Conversely, I've never seen anyone upset because they pulled back-to-back Sparky. Lol.

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Snizzbar

Hubris_hater wrote: »

DL864 wrote: »

I think Apple said the 1st of Jan not 💯 on that

No they didnt mate, date was 21st December, fixed

Plus, do Kabam sell loot boxes at all? These boxes contain a number of items, I cant think of anything like that in this game? You pull any crystal, you get what that crystal says, thats it. So pull a 4* one, you get a 4* champ. DRs wont say odds for each champ, as you get what the crystal says, one four-star champ

No wonder Kabam are just letting this thread run and run, must be quiet amusing to them

You're just choosing to mention the crystals that have 100% odds. We're not talking about those. The crystals that we're talking about are the ones like PHCs, where you are guaranteed at least a 2* but there is a CHANCE at a 3 or 4*. Or if you pay real, actual currency for a mutant or tech daily crystal from the unit store and you have a SLIGHTLY HIGHER CHANCE at a 3 or 4*. Those are the odds that Kabam may have to disclose. And there is no reason why they shouldn't, and no reason why you should be on their side in this discussion, other than perhaps you're doing it to be contrary.

SteelCurtainMUT

Absolutely, I’ve been saying this for awhile now. There’s what 70-80 champs in the 5* crystal now yet it’s convenient that my last 10 out of 12 5* crystals have been **** champs, I know not every crystal is gonna be a home run but cmon now!

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SteelCurtainMUT

But I can see them fixing this issue or lying about them. Actions speak louder than words & Kabam time & time again says stuff that contradicts their actions & their actions 99% of the time lean towards greed.... just saying

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Nexus_UY_Scuti wrote: »

Disclosure of drop rates will not improve your pulls.

As long as it is not a 0% chance, you are technically able to pull 100 Colossus in a row.

True, but randomness dictates that ever happening, so try again. Having only 2 choices(flipping a coin), you still wont get heads or tails 100 times in a row, no matter how many times you try, because...randomness

supermanMKZ

I work for a casino so I know all about random odds and house advantage but I'm betting that not every champ has same odds as it should and pretty soon kabam is going to have to show their hand.

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chev327fox

supermanMKZ wrote: »

Kabam disclosing percentages can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned! I've pulled about 12 5* and 3 of them have been colossus!? I mean seriously, given the size of the pool now how is that even possible unless the rates are rigged against "good" champs?

I was told by Customer Service that each item has a "Rarity/Value" attached to it. They were talking about Greater Gifting Crystals but I assume it is the same for hero crystals too. So since Colossus is worth far less to us he has a higher chance to drop then say a Ghost Rider who would be one of the rarest drops since it has a higher value attached to him.

In truth it does make sense to have it that way... I just wish they had a Pity feature that if you pull lowest tier champs a few pulls you are far more likely to get a top tier until you get one.

We will just have to wait and see what happens with this. No sense and worrying about it.... just keep playing and have fun

Or at least try to XD

LeDee

Here's something that needs to marinate. Until Apple actually enforces something, or until Kabam chooses to self regulate, Grounded Wisdom is more correct than most of you. Except for that grammar bit, that is just plain wrong. But with respect to the overall point that nothing substantive is actually going to change, he has you there. Whether or not gambling definitions are strict or general, I could care less. But not much less. :P

LeDee

Have they ever said that all champs have even odds? Not that I paid attention, clearly, but my assumption was that all of us had the same odds regardless of level of play or money spent, etc, but that some champs were absolutely more rare than others. In fact I thought I even saw a chart on Reddit once that listed every chsmp at the time and if they were common, less common, rare, or very rare (not the actual terms but you get the point).

All that said, don't hold your breath on drop rates. I won't believe we will see them until it actually happens. Until then, it ain't happening...

xoRIVALox

Don't worry people if and when this ever goes down, there will be nefarious practices to get around this or you "bundles" will be designed much differently.

The odds will always suck, even if Apple users get their wish granted, I'm sure us android users will pay for it in the end

MCoC_fan

im pretty sure it says u have to put the odds there if u buy it with real money not game currecy but if im wrong they will have to tell us the odds.

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