DNA3000 wrote: » Raganator wrote: » I think Kabam will come to regret this decision if the goal is to continue having relevant 15k shard 5* crystals. 1 in 24 is garbage odds. Sure, better than 1 in 80-something, but still. That depends. If you view the new crystal as *only* lowering the chance for a specific champion, then yes, the odds of pulling one specific champion have dropped from about one in five to one in twenty-four. But that's not the correct way to view this crystal. Even with the current featured crystal, not every champion is really worth saving for, at least for any particular player. You have to think more generally. Right now, I'm saving for Blade because I really want Blade and the 5* featured Blade crystal gives me a 20% shot at getting Blade. But more importantly, that crystal gives me a 20% chance at a champion I think is worth the extra shards. The Iceman crystal also gave me that shot, and the Stark Spidey crystal gave me that shot. You have to look at each and every one of the new 5* featured crystals that way. There are going to be six featureds and eighteen curated basics in each crystal. If the featured list was, say, Sparky, Vulture, Green Goblin, Doc Oc, Kingpin, and Medusa, that would be a pretty valuable crystal. Your odds of getting exactly the one you want are lower, but your odds of getting a good one are pretty decent - and that's before looking at the other eighteen. If the eighteen included, say, X-23, Elektra, Crossbones, Ghost Rider, and Ultron - all solid to great champions - your odds of getting at least a decent 5* could approach 50/50. That might be worth the extra shards. Conversely, if the six featured happen to be a more depleted series and fewer of the curated basics are champs you want, you can skip that crystal and save for the next one. Just like with the current featured 5* crystal, it is not about the odds to pull one particular champion, it is the overall value of the crystal relative to the basic crystal. Depending on what Kabam puts in it and how you value those champions, that value could be lower, or it could be much higher. Its different, and we lose one aspect of the current featured. But that doesn't mean the new one doesn't offer good options relative to the basic. It is just like even with the current featured, we have to see what's in it first. By the time the Blade crystal rolls around I will probably have saved up eight shots at him. Statistically speaking, I'm very likely to get him. If I was shooting to dup him though, the odds are not good: about 29% chance of pulling two out of eight. Someone who opens eight of the new crystals will have about a 73% chance of duping one of the twenty-four champion in that crystal. If you pick the right crystal to shoot for, where a high percentage are champs you want, then duping a random champion in that crystal has a higher chance of being a valuable dup. If you really one a specific champion, then your odds of getting that champion have dropped. But if you really just want a good one, or if you want to avoid pulling "bad" ones, your odds of doing that have likely significantly improved.
Raganator wrote: » I think Kabam will come to regret this decision if the goal is to continue having relevant 15k shard 5* crystals. 1 in 24 is garbage odds. Sure, better than 1 in 80-something, but still.
Kabam Miike wrote: » Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars. Beast Storm Cable Cyclops (New Xavier School)Thor (Ragnarok) Taskmaster Agent Venom HawkeyeModok Sentry Void Ant-Man Mordo Thor (Jane Foster) Loki JuggernautHela Phoenix Ronan Venompool Nebula Punisher (2099) Civil Warrior Doctor Octopus Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.
BitterSteel wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » Dagonelle wrote: » Kabam Miike wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » So the new featured crystal is just a new version of the basic crystal that costs 5000 shards more? What’s the point? The only way that the new featured crystal is better than the old one is if the old featured crystal had odds worse than 1 in 18 which is what the new one is. I’ve got to say I’m disappointed The original Featured Hero Crystal had one purpose, and that was because it was originally the only chance you had at a 5-Star Champion, and potentially meant that the Champion would never come around again. This has changed, and that means that this Crystal has run its course. 5-Star Champions are coming to a place where they are now added to the regular Champion pool at the same consistency as other rarities. Riiiiiiiggghhhtttt..... And it has zero to do with Apple's new rule on disclosing rates in drop boxes... Not really. The rate of the Featured has always been in favor of the Players. Estimated around 20%. Now it's about a 4% chance. There is no logic that supports the connection. What’s your opinion on this?
GroundedWisdom wrote: » Dagonelle wrote: » Kabam Miike wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » So the new featured crystal is just a new version of the basic crystal that costs 5000 shards more? What’s the point? The only way that the new featured crystal is better than the old one is if the old featured crystal had odds worse than 1 in 18 which is what the new one is. I’ve got to say I’m disappointed The original Featured Hero Crystal had one purpose, and that was because it was originally the only chance you had at a 5-Star Champion, and potentially meant that the Champion would never come around again. This has changed, and that means that this Crystal has run its course. 5-Star Champions are coming to a place where they are now added to the regular Champion pool at the same consistency as other rarities. Riiiiiiiggghhhtttt..... And it has zero to do with Apple's new rule on disclosing rates in drop boxes... Not really. The rate of the Featured has always been in favor of the Players. Estimated around 20%. Now it's about a 4% chance. There is no logic that supports the connection.
Dagonelle wrote: » Kabam Miike wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » So the new featured crystal is just a new version of the basic crystal that costs 5000 shards more? What’s the point? The only way that the new featured crystal is better than the old one is if the old featured crystal had odds worse than 1 in 18 which is what the new one is. I’ve got to say I’m disappointed The original Featured Hero Crystal had one purpose, and that was because it was originally the only chance you had at a 5-Star Champion, and potentially meant that the Champion would never come around again. This has changed, and that means that this Crystal has run its course. 5-Star Champions are coming to a place where they are now added to the regular Champion pool at the same consistency as other rarities. Riiiiiiiggghhhtttt..... And it has zero to do with Apple's new rule on disclosing rates in drop boxes...
Kabam Miike wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » So the new featured crystal is just a new version of the basic crystal that costs 5000 shards more? What’s the point? The only way that the new featured crystal is better than the old one is if the old featured crystal had odds worse than 1 in 18 which is what the new one is. I’ve got to say I’m disappointed The original Featured Hero Crystal had one purpose, and that was because it was originally the only chance you had at a 5-Star Champion, and potentially meant that the Champion would never come around again. This has changed, and that means that this Crystal has run its course. 5-Star Champions are coming to a place where they are now added to the regular Champion pool at the same consistency as other rarities.
BitterSteel wrote: » So the new featured crystal is just a new version of the basic crystal that costs 5000 shards more? What’s the point? The only way that the new featured crystal is better than the old one is if the old featured crystal had odds worse than 1 in 18 which is what the new one is. I’ve got to say I’m disappointed
BaccaBossMC wrote: » LordSneeze wrote: » For those that are complaining, I believe that this could be a change that is in direct response to what has happened with Blade. A lot of people are hoarding shards to get multiple chances at Blade, which is likely to flood him into the game prior to when Kabam want him to be, this chance limits that ability. IMO as someone who cannot do that I think this is a great change. I think you have 99% of people in the community in disagreement. With the current state and meta of alliance wars, Blade is a necessary champion in higher levels. If you were to put yourself in the position of someone who wants to be competitive at higher tiers of AW, I guarantee you would change your opinion.
LordSneeze wrote: » For those that are complaining, I believe that this could be a change that is in direct response to what has happened with Blade. A lot of people are hoarding shards to get multiple chances at Blade, which is likely to flood him into the game prior to when Kabam want him to be, this chance limits that ability. IMO as someone who cannot do that I think this is a great change.
khehmist wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » Dagonelle wrote: » Kabam Miike wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » So the new featured crystal is just a new version of the basic crystal that costs 5000 shards more? What’s the point? The only way that the new featured crystal is better than the old one is if the old featured crystal had odds worse than 1 in 18 which is what the new one is. I’ve got to say I’m disappointed The original Featured Hero Crystal had one purpose, and that was because it was originally the only chance you had at a 5-Star Champion, and potentially meant that the Champion would never come around again. This has changed, and that means that this Crystal has run its course. 5-Star Champions are coming to a place where they are now added to the regular Champion pool at the same consistency as other rarities. Riiiiiiiggghhhtttt..... And it has zero to do with Apple's new rule on disclosing rates in drop boxes... Not really. The rate of the Featured has always been in favor of the Players. Estimated around 20%. Now it's about a 4% chance. There is no logic that supports the connection. That for the first time in MCOC history, Kabam has been clear about feature 5* drop rates at the same time as a transparency mandate from Apple has come out. That has an undeniable logic to it that has next to no chance of being a coincidence. As long as there are at least 3 worthwhile new champs in the subset of 6 and a couple above-average champs in the subset of 18 it won't be too much worse for the average player. The first set of champs is not strong enough to be worthwhile. For me, this problem would largely go away if they made the chances of better champs higher. The new crystal will be substantially worse for people that only wanted a specific feature champ and (however Kabam calculated drop rates) earned >20% feature drop rates in the old system (when we ran the numbers, my 13M alliance had an average success rate of about 13%). It's surprising that the new system seems to be hardest on the highest paying players.
Thecrusher_9756 wrote: » The problem is once you get past a certain point a lot of the champions on that list become useless. For example, against mystic dispersion you’re not going to use a venompool? All a lot of us are asking is that you put in champions that are used a lot at the top end as well as the lower end of the game to make it fair for everyone...
bloodyCain wrote: » I have serious question right here and need an answer. 1) Will the new 5* Featured crystal has the same drop rate chance as in the basic 5* crystal but limited to only 24? Because that's what I think you guys are trying to do.
Thatweirdguy wrote: » LocoMotives wrote: » Oh Miike, I don’t envy you man. They stick you out here taking bullets, this should’ve been a Friday announcement so you could hide over the weekend. Mike is a big boy who is on the clock getting paid. He knows what his job is every morning. I'll bet he loves this job. Being a forum mod for a mobile gaming sounds pretty easy and laid back. He gets his script from the game team and eats it. Maybe he cringed when he saw the in game message from the Grandmaster stating that this was an improvement but his job is to sell the stuff that the game team gives him no matter how nonsensical. Easy job. IMO
LocoMotives wrote: » Oh Miike, I don’t envy you man. They stick you out here taking bullets, this should’ve been a Friday announcement so you could hide over the weekend.
Mmx1991 wrote: » Stop complaining fellas. These champs will help you clear map 2 VERY EFFECTIVELY and help win you wars with your new Antman in tier 18.
DJRipster wrote: » Im pretty surprised that all the data you have collected has found these to be among the most effective, when I've yet to see one of my alliance members use any on this list
