Week Two of the Crystal Cleanse Event

DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,803 Guardian
We've just completed week two of the Crystal Cleanse event. Where are we now?





We're now definitively below the pace necessary to reach the final one billion crystal milestone. Our current linear projection looks like this:



The current forecast is about 750m, a bit under last week's 800m. That's due to a slow average decline in crystal opening rate, which is easier to see with daily statistics:



There were some people thinking that the new featured 6* crystal change over might cause a bump, but I didn't think that was likely because the numbers were simply too small: even at our current slower-than-necessary pace we're still opening over ten million crystals per day. I can't imagine featured 6* crystals being opened at even one percent of that rate for a sustained period of time.

Of course, every little bit helps. I did see a weird bump on Saturday morning that I don't have a good explanation for:



It could be a data error: the numbers update often but not perfectly in real time, so it is possible I happened to collect data near a data update and some crystals were pigeonholed incorrectly. Another possibility is that a pocket of players decided to open crystals at around the same time: there have been other smaller fluctuations in opening rate, and that spike occurs near when RichtheMan released his Crystal Cleanse video encouraging people to open crystals. So maybe he got a bunch of his viewers to open crystals around that time. Unfortunately, it wasn't a sustained bump upward.

So is it hopeless? Well, maybe not. The question is how many crystals are still out there, and how many of them are players willing to open. There are many people I've seen on the forums, the Reddit, and the Discord who believe Kabam set the number way too high: that there was no possible way we could ever hope to open one billion crystals in 35 days. But that's actually not true: we've done it before, or at least come close.

Kabam doesn't often release game statistics, and there are no recent stats on crystal openings, but during the sixth anniversary celebration video (6 year celebration) they stated that players had opened "more than" 29 billion crystals in the game. And the following year (Hercules presents: 2021 Summoner Celebration Event) they said that number was 39 billion. That's approximately 10 billion crystals in about a one year span. That's an average of about 27 million crystals per day, and about 960 million crystals in an average 35 day span, very close to one billion crystals without an event incentive to open crystals.

Now, that was three years ago. The crystal environment might be different. The number of players might be different. That is also the year after Covid lockdowns, when mobile game activity was higher. But even if we assume about 25% fewer players than at the height of lockdown gaming (which would be proportional to the revenue differential) that would imply our ordinary crystal opening rate should be in the range of about 700-750 million crystals in a 35 day span. That's more or less what our rate is now.

So clearly, we could do better than we're doing now. The question is how much better. But it is definitely not hopeless. The current trend is we'll fall short. But the crystals are out there, and it isn't even about players forcing open crystals they want to keep or losing rewards due to expiration. The amount of crystals we're opening now is basically proportional to the number of crystals we used to open in the past just ordinarily. We can certainly do better without wasting rewards and without overstuffing our stash. We can't blame Kabam for making it difficult or impossible. History says it isn't impossible, and given the number of crystals out there and the number of players out there, it isn't even something I think is super difficult or costly for players.

The question is not can we. The question is will we. At the end of the day, this event is still in our hands.


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  • Awesomep12Awesomep12 Member Posts: 1,433 ★★★★
    edited September 18
    Ashacekar said:

    Sad, we probably won't get Brian Grant Egg Tribute pfp 😔

    Eggy, noooooooo!!!!!!! I want the ice age 3 Dino egg 😔
  • ControversyControversy Member Posts: 45
    Correct me if I'm wrong because I know devs are gonna open their stack of crystals at the end of the month. But I thought they were also gonna auto open crystals when the event is over? I believe I read this on the announcenmt they sent in the mail but it disappeared for me by this point so I'm not too sure since no one seems aware of it.
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 4,407 ★★★★★

    Correct me if I'm wrong because I know devs are gonna open their stack of crystals at the end of the month. But I thought they were also gonna auto open crystals when the event is over? I believe I read this on the announcenmt they sent in the mail but it disappeared for me by this point so I'm not too sure since no one seems aware of it.

    Yes, they are going to auto open some old crystals after the event is over.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,803 Guardian

    The demise of AQ crystals might make a material difference between the volumes in 2020-2021 and now. Maybe not and maybe more net new crystals have been introduced in the last three years. But in the old days of AQ rewards, they represented a lot of crystals in a given week.

    On the one hand there were quite a few AQ Map crystals entering the game back then. On the other hand, the contents of those crystals are such that they were often hoarded to save the catalysts. So I'm not sure what sort of impact they would have had on 2021 statistics.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,803 Guardian

    Correct me if I'm wrong because I know devs are gonna open their stack of crystals at the end of the month. But I thought they were also gonna auto open crystals when the event is over? I believe I read this on the announcenmt they sent in the mail but it disappeared for me by this point so I'm not too sure since no one seems aware of it.

    After the event is over, the devs have said they intend to do another crystal clean up like they have done in the past. These clean up events target old crystals that players can no longer earn in any way and most players have long ago opened, but a small percentage of players are still hanging onto. Those crystals get opened on the servers and the contents dumped into those players' stashes, so that the crystals themselves can be deleted from the game.

    Stuff like old featured 6* crystals, old side quest Cav crystals, special one-off crystals are the kinds of crystals targeted. Stuff that is still in general circulation and players are still earning, like PHCs, gold crystals, T4CC crystals, basic 6* and 7* crystals, etc, are safe because they cannot be deleted from the game, since even if they purge everyone's inventory of them, players can still get more in the future.

    When you hear people say "Kabam doesn't want players to hoard crystals because it slows down the game" this is the origin of that (false) rumor. No matter how many crystals you have, the game doesn't care. If you have one or a million, that's just a number. Even if you have zero, the game still has to keep track of exactly one number: a zero. But the number of *different* crystals that exist matter, because every crystal that exists is graphics that has to be embedded in the game, drop tables and definitions that have to exist on the servers, and every single game account that currently exists or has ever existed has to keep track of how many of those crystals that player has, even if that number is zero. Every time they can delete a crystal, that makes the game client smaller, makes updates to the game quicker, and makes the servers run a little better.
  • GhostboytjieGhostboytjie Member Posts: 2,413 ★★★★★
    Allright... Time to log my 500 accounts with the old aq map 5 crystals
  • ezgoingezgoing Member Posts: 284 ★★
    Could it be that when one hits the personal milestone of 1000 crystals to qualify for all rank rewards, he/she stops thinking they have done their part? I have opened 1300 so far, and yes I am one of those hoarders who still have 60k unopened ones to go. And that’s not even counting the millions of battle chips, solo crystal frags, etc. that can open more crystals. I am quite prepared to open more crystals at a later time. A vast majority - 15k - are T4CC frag crystals. Truly a pain to open them 10 at a time and having to deal with an overflowing stash thereafter. And as many have said, rewards aren't really worth it.
  • The_0wenpusThe_0wenpus Member Posts: 260 ★★
    @DNA3000 do you have a spreadsheet with the data somewhere?
  • JackTheSnackJackTheSnack Member Posts: 772 ★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    We've just completed week two of the Crystal Cleanse event. Where are we now?





    We're now definitively below the pace necessary to reach the final one billion crystal milestone. Our current linear projection looks like this:



    The current forecast is about 750m, a bit under last week's 800m. That's due to a slow average decline in crystal opening rate, which is easier to see with daily statistics:



    There were some people thinking that the new featured 6* crystal change over might cause a bump, but I didn't think that was likely because the numbers were simply too small: even at our current slower-than-necessary pace we're still opening over ten million crystals per day. I can't imagine featured 6* crystals being opened at even one percent of that rate for a sustained period of time.

    Of course, every little bit helps. I did see a weird bump on Saturday morning that I don't have a good explanation for:



    It could be a data error: the numbers update often but not perfectly in real time, so it is possible I happened to collect data near a data update and some crystals were pigeonholed incorrectly. Another possibility is that a pocket of players decided to open crystals at around the same time: there have been other smaller fluctuations in opening rate, and that spike occurs near when RichtheMan released his Crystal Cleanse video encouraging people to open crystals. So maybe he got a bunch of his viewers to open crystals around that time. Unfortunately, it wasn't a sustained bump upward.

    So is it hopeless? Well, maybe not. The question is how many crystals are still out there, and how many of them are players willing to open. There are many people I've seen on the forums, the Reddit, and the Discord who believe Kabam set the number way too high: that there was no possible way we could ever hope to open one billion crystals in 35 days. But that's actually not true: we've done it before, or at least come close.

    Kabam doesn't often release game statistics, and there are no recent stats on crystal openings, but during the sixth anniversary celebration video (6 year celebration) they stated that players had opened "more than" 29 billion crystals in the game. And the following year (Hercules presents: 2021 Summoner Celebration Event) they said that number was 39 billion. That's approximately 10 billion crystals in about a one year span. That's an average of about 27 million crystals per day, and about 960 million crystals in an average 35 day span, very close to one billion crystals without an event incentive to open crystals.

    Now, that was three years ago. The crystal environment might be different. The number of players might be different. That is also the year after Covid lockdowns, when mobile game activity was higher. But even if we assume about 25% fewer players than at the height of lockdown gaming (which would be proportional to the revenue differential) that would imply our ordinary crystal opening rate should be in the range of about 700-750 million crystals in a 35 day span. That's more or less what our rate is now.

    So clearly, we could do better than we're doing now. The question is how much better. But it is definitely not hopeless. The current trend is we'll fall short. But the crystals are out there, and it isn't even about players forcing open crystals they want to keep or losing rewards due to expiration. The amount of crystals we're opening now is basically proportional to the number of crystals we used to open in the past just ordinarily. We can certainly do better without wasting rewards and without overstuffing our stash. We can't blame Kabam for making it difficult or impossible. History says it isn't impossible, and given the number of crystals out there and the number of players out there, it isn't even something I think is super difficult or costly for players.

    The question is not can we. The question is will we. At the end of the day, this event is still in our hands.


    Previous thread: First Week of Crystal Cleanse Event

    Bro did a statistical analysis 😭🤣
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,803 Guardian

    @DNA3000 do you have a spreadsheet with the data somewhere?

    These are Excel charts from the data I've been collecting manually from the game. I don't have them publicly available anywhere at the moment as that would be a tiny bit inconvenient for my lazy current workflow.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,803 Guardian

    DNA3000 said:

    We've just completed week two of the Crystal Cleanse event. Where are we now?





    We're now definitively below the pace necessary to reach the final one billion crystal milestone. Our current linear projection looks like this:



    The current forecast is about 750m, a bit under last week's 800m. That's due to a slow average decline in crystal opening rate, which is easier to see with daily statistics:



    There were some people thinking that the new featured 6* crystal change over might cause a bump, but I didn't think that was likely because the numbers were simply too small: even at our current slower-than-necessary pace we're still opening over ten million crystals per day. I can't imagine featured 6* crystals being opened at even one percent of that rate for a sustained period of time.

    Of course, every little bit helps. I did see a weird bump on Saturday morning that I don't have a good explanation for:



    It could be a data error: the numbers update often but not perfectly in real time, so it is possible I happened to collect data near a data update and some crystals were pigeonholed incorrectly. Another possibility is that a pocket of players decided to open crystals at around the same time: there have been other smaller fluctuations in opening rate, and that spike occurs near when RichtheMan released his Crystal Cleanse video encouraging people to open crystals. So maybe he got a bunch of his viewers to open crystals around that time. Unfortunately, it wasn't a sustained bump upward.

    So is it hopeless? Well, maybe not. The question is how many crystals are still out there, and how many of them are players willing to open. There are many people I've seen on the forums, the Reddit, and the Discord who believe Kabam set the number way too high: that there was no possible way we could ever hope to open one billion crystals in 35 days. But that's actually not true: we've done it before, or at least come close.

    Kabam doesn't often release game statistics, and there are no recent stats on crystal openings, but during the sixth anniversary celebration video (6 year celebration) they stated that players had opened "more than" 29 billion crystals in the game. And the following year (Hercules presents: 2021 Summoner Celebration Event) they said that number was 39 billion. That's approximately 10 billion crystals in about a one year span. That's an average of about 27 million crystals per day, and about 960 million crystals in an average 35 day span, very close to one billion crystals without an event incentive to open crystals.

    Now, that was three years ago. The crystal environment might be different. The number of players might be different. That is also the year after Covid lockdowns, when mobile game activity was higher. But even if we assume about 25% fewer players than at the height of lockdown gaming (which would be proportional to the revenue differential) that would imply our ordinary crystal opening rate should be in the range of about 700-750 million crystals in a 35 day span. That's more or less what our rate is now.

    So clearly, we could do better than we're doing now. The question is how much better. But it is definitely not hopeless. The current trend is we'll fall short. But the crystals are out there, and it isn't even about players forcing open crystals they want to keep or losing rewards due to expiration. The amount of crystals we're opening now is basically proportional to the number of crystals we used to open in the past just ordinarily. We can certainly do better without wasting rewards and without overstuffing our stash. We can't blame Kabam for making it difficult or impossible. History says it isn't impossible, and given the number of crystals out there and the number of players out there, it isn't even something I think is super difficult or costly for players.

    The question is not can we. The question is will we. At the end of the day, this event is still in our hands.


    Previous thread: First Week of Crystal Cleanse Event

    Bro did a statistical analysis 😭🤣
    This is not a statistical analysis. This is a trend analysis.

    This is a statistical analysis. This is also a statistical analysis (albeit more of a calculation check). This is a statistical analysis (although I omitted a lot of the actual analysis). This is a statistical analysis (with graphs). And this is a statistical analysis (but more of a statistics lesson).

    They do look similar at a glance, but while these posts have all the hallmarks of a statistical analysis, in that they are long, have a lot of math, and are punctuated with graphs, they lack one of the critical elements of a statistical analysis, namely actual statistics.
  • jdschwjdschw Member Posts: 460 ★★★
    edited September 19


  • jdschwjdschw Member Posts: 460 ★★★
    ezgoing said:

    Could it be that when one hits the personal milestone of 1000 crystals to qualify for all rank rewards, he/she stops thinking they have done their part? I have opened 1300 so far, and yes I am one of those hoarders who still have 60k unopened ones to go. And that’s not even counting the millions of battle chips, solo crystal frags, etc. that can open more crystals. I am quite prepared to open more crystals at a later time. A vast majority - 15k - are T4CC frag crystals. Truly a pain to open them 10 at a time and having to deal with an overflowing stash thereafter. And as many have said, rewards aren't really worth it.

    What's nice about the t4cc frag crystals is that you can sell the overflowing t4cc for t5cc, which are still actually sorta useful.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,803 Guardian
    jdschw said:

    ezgoing said:

    Could it be that when one hits the personal milestone of 1000 crystals to qualify for all rank rewards, he/she stops thinking they have done their part? I have opened 1300 so far, and yes I am one of those hoarders who still have 60k unopened ones to go. And that’s not even counting the millions of battle chips, solo crystal frags, etc. that can open more crystals. I am quite prepared to open more crystals at a later time. A vast majority - 15k - are T4CC frag crystals. Truly a pain to open them 10 at a time and having to deal with an overflowing stash thereafter. And as many have said, rewards aren't really worth it.

    What's nice about the t4cc frag crystals is that you can sell the overflowing t4cc for t5cc, which are still actually sorta useful.
    Or you can trade the T4CC for T4CC crystals 2-for-1. And then open the T4CC crystals for more T4CC, which you can trade for more T4CC crystals.

    Someone could in theory open 1290 T4CC crystals and get 2653 crystal openings out of them. Hypothetically speaking of course.
  • Jkw634Jkw634 Member Posts: 296 ★★
    Done my part but do people really care. The rewards suck other than the 1 ascension.
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