Tweak Battlegrounds for fairness

Vollmondum · October 6

Tons of complaints on non-fair matchups.
Since you cannot fix matching, here's an option:

1. Bypass champ ratings and sig abilities.
2. You only choose champions, not their stats.
3. When the game is on, all selected champions become 6*, r5, sig 200 for both players.

That will make the game fair and you can match-up anyone with anyone. Skill wins.

Variant 2:
get rid of players' champs decks.
Each season Kabam determines what champioms are participating: make it 50, so people could choose 30.
That way overpowered champs like bullseye, dust, serpent, fut antman can be banned by default for everyone

BeastDad · October 6

Or, wait a little bit until everyone moves on.

Squidopus · October 6

One of the biggest things Kabam could do to kill the game is make every single bgs focused rank up moot with either of these changes and, just generally speaking, remove one of these biggest motivators for building up your roster.

Vollmondum · October 6

Noone will move on. It's just become stupid. All wars have bullseye or serpent boss now. Like before it was doom all over.
You start, you search opponents deck forthose three: bullseye, serpent, onslaught.
Or fury. Kill him, he gets back to 100 on last second

Vollmondum · October 6

Squidopus said:
One of the biggest things Kabam could do to kill the game is make every single bgs focused rank up moot with either of these changes and, just generally speaking, remove one of these biggest motivators for building up your roster.

I'd say roster is good for warsand raids. But BGs just make rich richer

Vollmondum · October 6

Love how players with 30k+ champ rates disagree to those above, lol

DonkeyKong · October 6

You have the wrong perspective, it’s not that they can’t ‘fix’ the matchmaking. It’s just that it’s the intended design. You’re not supposed to move up if your roster isn’t developed. This game revolves around knowledge, roster depth and skill. If you don’t have roster depth then you would hit a stopping point simple as that.

The only way they can cater to lower progression players is by creating a bracket for battlegrounds but that would mean a significant shift in rewards for other progression.

People under Thornbreaker would not be receiving any 7* shards apart from maybe 750 or so a season because they’re intended rewards should be 6* as the top prize

Pikolu · October 6

How about we don't kill the game by making building roster unimportant.

Other games that have rosters do not mess with your roster for their main ladder mode. Would be nice in the future to have a tournament mode (maybe during off season) where you get a prebuilt deck or something like that.

Disthene_T · October 6

There is an inherent unfairness in attempts to create fairness.

What should matter more time/money invested or talent? Both sides have a point but the former is much more valuable to the company.

JLordVileJ · October 6

If someone has played for a month and I've played for a year, it is no way fair for their champs to be boosted to my level. If the fights are too hard, get better, get better champs

Vollmondum · October 6

JLordVileJ said:
If someone has played for a month and I've played for a year, it is no way fair for their champs to be boosted to my level. If the fights are too hard, get better, get better champs

You will win, as you have skill and knowledge of the champs in the roster, immunities, dmg rotations etc.

Look from the other perspective: would you be interested/excited in matching against all-2-star summoner?

JLordVileJ · October 6

Vollmondum said:

JLordVileJ said:
If someone has played for a month and I've played for a year, it is no way fair for their champs to be boosted to my level. If the fights are too hard, get better, get better champs
You will win, as you have skill and knowledge of the champs in the roster, immunities, dmg rotations etc.

Look from the other perspective: would you be interested/excited in matching against all-2-star summoner?

No. If they have a cgr, suddenly r5 asc they will probs win. Same with hulk. Etc. I genuinely 100 percent don't mean this in a rude or mean way but I actually don't know how else to say it. If you can't beat someone, well its not their problem. Its yours. Look at it logically : to beat that problem what do you have to do? Get better. Get to/above their level. Believe it or not, i was basically where you probably are a year ago. Instead of complaining I went from noob to valiant. Now there is nothing to complain about. To win, you should HAVE to put in work. You shouldn't be given a more level playing field. Saying this all constructively, not rudely.
Same goes for 2 stars. It evens the playing field too much, why should it be made easier for people who haven't put in the time and work, whilst pros gain no advantage?

Vollmondum · October 6

How about winning that?

captain_rogers · October 6

Vollmondum said:

How about winning that?

This is a easy W. Ironman can easily nuke bishop and korg as an attacker is too slow.

Also your suggestion sucks. We endgame players didn't rank up champs so kabam can randomly pick.

Vollmondum · October 6

I see how you all disagree
Winning with forfeits in yoir favor is absolutely amazing
But when competition is fair, most probably don't stand a chance
Sad

Demonzfyre · October 6

Vollmondum said:
Love how players with 30k+ champ rates disagree to those above, lol

I love how players with small rosters think they deserve the same rewards as someone with 30k+ champs.

captain_rogers · October 6

Blud talks like he is the best skilled player in the game. If so, what is stopping you from becoming Valiant and having 10 r3s?

Vollmondum · October 6

captain_rogers said:
Blud talks like he is the best skilled player in the game. If so, what is stopping you from becoming Valiant and having 10 r3s?

Alliance game. Single player does not give you those rewards. As for story progression, halfway valiant

Squidopus · October 6

Vollmondum said:
I see how you all disagree
Winning with forfeits in yoir favor is absolutely amazing
But when competition is fair, most probably don't stand a chance
Sad

Your mistake is thinking that roster strength is completely unearned. My roster isn’t good because I spent hundreds of dollars, it’s because I invested time and effort clearing the hardest game modes the contest has to offer so I had the resources to build a strong roster. I’m ftp, but this is even true to some extent for spenders. I have far less reason to do such a thing if we’re all given the same champs at the same rank. Why should I bother clearing things like Necropolis and the season of suffering bosses if all those rank up materials amount to no benefit in bgs, the most competitive game mode where this stuff currently matters most? I don’t need higher ranks to clear content, I need them to fight harder in bgs.

Besides, even the hardcore spenders need actual skill to back things up in bgs. The number of times I’ve come across some deck half full of 7* r3s in the lowest tiers of GC is very high, and most of them certainly demonstrated why they were so low despite having a deck of the gods.

Furrymoosen · October 6

Why do people always talk about fairness in terms of nerfing big players and/or lifting up small players? How can you say it is fair to strip someone of the roster they've put together because someone else's isn't as good?
If you're going to choose to play the game mode, then you're going to do it with your roster to the best of your ability. If you want the rewards, then you face the accounts you don't want to face.

Ayden_noah1 · October 6

This season seems to bring out more complaints than ever about BG matches since everyone is trying to get the realm rewards. There is no way Kabam will benefit from having everyone with the same deck in BG. Kabam is a company that relies on real world money to keep the lights on and pay it's staff. They make game modes in hopes that summoners will spend money on. Monthly quest, side quest, special events, and AQ, doesn't require the highest rank champs for the most part. MSD has shown us even a 2 star can do it with enough skill. Competitor war might require rank champs on a regular basis but that's a small percentage of the player based. The biggest rank up for a lot of players is for BG. Why do you think Kabam changes the nodes for BG on a monthly bases, they hope to create demand for new champs and demand to rank up old and new champs. Kabam has already said that match making is working as planned.

Vollmondum · October 6

That is the problem. Rewards. Arenas have rewards tier, calendars have it. BGs dont. I dont care for bh rewards, lower tier rewards are fine, I only want that emoticon, and its currently out of reach for non-no-lifers

SandeepS · October 6

I don't like the idea, but if it was implemented only during off season it might be fun.

Sunstar19 · October 6

I’m not skilled and have to grind out the VT . In fact I’m still struggling at VT. Yet i don’t agree to the suggestions because folks earn the right to have such high ranked champs either through hard work or spend. I remain hopeful that the strongest players will just progress on and not need to face them anymore. Until then it’s the luck of the draw in terms of matching with opponents and drafting of champions

Vollmondum · October 6

Ayden_noah1 said:
This season seems to bring out more complaints than ever about BG matches since everyone is trying to get the realm rewards. There is no way Kabam will benefit from having everyone with the same deck in BG. Kabam is a company that relies on real world money to keep the lights on and pay it's staff. They make game modes in hopes that summoners will spend money on. Monthly quest, side quest, special events, and AQ, doesn't require the highest rank champs for the most part. MSD has shown us even a 2 star can do it with enough skill. Competitor war might require rank champs on a regular basis but that's a small percentage of the player based. The biggest rank up for a lot of players is for BG. Why do you think Kabam changes the nodes for BG on a monthly bases, they hope to create demand for new champs and demand to rank up old and new champs. Kabam has already said that match making is working as planned.

Whats realm rewards?

Terra · October 6

"I can't compete, I'll ask for everyone to be brought down to my level of undeveloped roster" aah post. 💀

Friendly001 · October 6

Get better at the game and you can compete, easy as that.

Siliyo · October 6

Vollmondum said:
That is the problem. Rewards. Arenas have rewards tier, calendars have it. BGs dont. I dont care for bh rewards, lower tier rewards are fine, I only want that emoticon, and its currently out of reach for non-no-lifers

You just got hired as an intern at a company and you’re asking for the same salary as the CEO. It doesn’t work like that

Vollmondum · October 6

Siliyo said:

Vollmondum said:
That is the problem. Rewards. Arenas have rewards tier, calendars have it. BGs dont. I dont care for bh rewards, lower tier rewards are fine, I only want that emoticon, and its currently out of reach for non-no-lifers
You just got hired as an intern at a company and you’re asking for the same salary as the CEO. It doesn’t work like that

I want tasks intern-worthy, not CEO-worthy

Graves_3 · October 6

Vollmondum said:

Siliyo said:

Vollmondum said:
That is the problem. Rewards. Arenas have rewards tier, calendars have it. BGs dont. I dont care for bh rewards, lower tier rewards are fine, I only want that emoticon, and its currently out of reach for non-no-lifers
You just got hired as an intern at a company and you’re asking for the same salary as the CEO. It doesn’t work like that
I want tasks intern-worthy, not CEO-worthy

So what you are asking is basically a league where all uncollected match other UC’s for much lower rewards, TB face other TB’s for slight bump in rewards. So on and so forth.

willrun4adonut · October 6

Once you threw fury into that lot I stopped reading. Good thing it was already the end.

Tweak Battlegrounds for fairness

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