Why can Red Skull be armor broken?

Macho_Man345Macho_Man345 Member Posts: 28 ★
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Red Skull is immune to nullify effects by champions. Armor break has always been classified as a nullify. I’ve attached a screenshot in which Kabam confirms armor break is a nullify.

What am I missing?

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  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,195 ★★★★★
    Bro the post was from 2020 they most likely changed the interaction some time ago.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,851 ★★★★★
    Red Skull has Annihilus abilities?..Cool
  • Macho_Man345Macho_Man345 Member Posts: 28 ★
    captain_rogers said:

    Bro the post was from 2020 they most likely changed the interaction some time ago.

    Here’s a thread from 2022 where the interaction is still the same.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/300334/what-is-this-interaction

  • Macho_Man345Macho_Man345 Member Posts: 28 ★
    Average_Desi said:

    It's not just a nullify. It just counts as a nullify too. But he will lose his armour break regardless.

    That makes sense. Thank you.
  • LokxLokx Member Posts: 1,442 ★★★★
    It’s probably just a term they used back then to describe the interaction but is probably different. Kinda how there is a difference between cleanse and purify while armour break is a nullify it is viewed as a different kind of nullify that isn’t interacted the same as the way they code the other type of nullify.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,195 ★★★★★
    Macho_Man345 said:

    captain_rogers said:

    Bro the post was from 2020 they most likely changed the interaction some time ago.

    Here’s a thread from 2022 where the interaction is still the same.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/300334/what-is-this-interaction

    Most likely they changed it afterwards then. If you got time you can dig their release notes and may find when exactly.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 7,998 Guardian
    captain_rogers said:

    Macho_Man345 said:

    captain_rogers said:

    Bro the post was from 2020 they most likely changed the interaction some time ago.

    Here’s a thread from 2022 where the interaction is still the same.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/300334/what-is-this-interaction

    Most likely they changed it afterwards then. If you got time you can dig their release notes and may find when exactly.
    I'll point out it is probably the same because every node that punishes nullify has text in it that states armor break removing an armor up counts as a nullify
  • MagrailothosMagrailothos Member Posts: 6,036 ★★★★★
    captain_rogers said:

    Bro the post was from 2020 they most likely changed the interaction some time ago.

    Nope. They never did.

    However, other abilities that react to Nullify are less predictable: whilst Annihilus responds to Armour Break as if it were a Nullify, Overseer and Mister Negative don't.

  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 826 ★★★
    captain_rogers said:

    Macho_Man345 said:

    captain_rogers said:

    Bro the post was from 2020 they most likely changed the interaction some time ago.

    Here’s a thread from 2022 where the interaction is still the same.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/300334/what-is-this-interaction

    Most likely they changed it afterwards then. If you got time you can dig their release notes and may find when exactly.
    No change
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,195 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    captain_rogers said:

    Macho_Man345 said:

    captain_rogers said:

    Bro the post was from 2020 they most likely changed the interaction some time ago.

    Here’s a thread from 2022 where the interaction is still the same.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/300334/what-is-this-interaction

    Most likely they changed it afterwards then. If you got time you can dig their release notes and may find when exactly.
    I'll point out it is probably the same because every node that punishes nullify has text in it that states armor break removing an armor up counts as a nullify
    Then how can nullify immune champs can be Armor broken? Like OS and red skull?
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,149 ★★★★★
    Macho_Man345 said:

    Red Skull is immune to nullify effects by champions. Armor break has always been classified as a nullify. I’ve attached a screenshot in which Kabam confirms armor break is a nullify.

    What am I missing?

    He's immune to direct nullify, like the ones from Mystics. Armor breaks are armor breaks, and he's not immune to those.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 826 ★★★
    captain_rogers said:

    Pikolu said:

    captain_rogers said:

    Macho_Man345 said:

    captain_rogers said:

    Bro the post was from 2020 they most likely changed the interaction some time ago.

    Here’s a thread from 2022 where the interaction is still the same.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/300334/what-is-this-interaction

    Most likely they changed it afterwards then. If you got time you can dig their release notes and may find when exactly.
    I'll point out it is probably the same because every node that punishes nullify has text in it that states armor break removing an armor up counts as a nullify
    Then how can nullify immune champs can be Armor broken? Like OS and red skull?
    Average_Desi said:

    It's not just a nullify. It just counts as a nullify too. But he will lose his armour break regardless.

    I'm guessing it some old code. Armour breaks "nullify" the current armour ups. But they do that regardless of the nullify because armour breaks remove Armour ups(which was not always the case iirc)
  • Wolf911Wolf911 Member Posts: 585 ★★★
    Armor break is not the same as nullifying an armor up buff

    Armor break removes an armor up buff and places armor break debuff which reduces armor rating by x amount

    they always mention on the node when armor break will count as nullify only on those nodes it counts as nullify
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 7,998 Guardian
    captain_rogers said:

    Pikolu said:

    captain_rogers said:

    Macho_Man345 said:

    captain_rogers said:

    Bro the post was from 2020 they most likely changed the interaction some time ago.

    Here’s a thread from 2022 where the interaction is still the same.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/300334/what-is-this-interaction

    Most likely they changed it afterwards then. If you got time you can dig their release notes and may find when exactly.
    I'll point out it is probably the same because every node that punishes nullify has text in it that states armor break removing an armor up counts as a nullify
    Then how can nullify immune champs can be Armor broken? Like OS and red skull?
    Because armor break is an armor break with a side of nullify. The main thing is still armor break and you can have it without the side dish. However, you cannot have the side dish without the main course. This is why SoS annihilus was immune to armor break so certain champions couldn't cheese his abilities.
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