Adding my 2c here, I rarely post comments but I must say I totally agree that the AI in MCOC has turned really frustrating, thus taking all the fun in this wonderfully unique fighting game. From not throwing specials which by the way equals loss on any power gain node, to superhumanly instant recovery times and similar reaction time with no less than perfect medium, light, heavy or SP just what it needs to finish you. Countless times now I've witnessed opponent just standing there and if you eventually dash in you're finished. I can understand that the game reads player's actions 100%, I mean that's a must since the AI doesn't have eyes to watch on-screen what the player is doing but it seems to me that at some stage, some months ago (I can't pinpoint exactly when it happened, maybe it was gradual) the AI was changed massively and not in a good, enjoyable way for the player. I also understand that at each player's action there is a x% chance that the AI has the ideal reaction but man, that went from 20-30% to about 80-90. Add its instant reaction time to this (unfair gaming) and player stands little to no chance to beat the computer. I assume everyone has by this stage encountered a Hyperion who doesn't throw his special till sp3 is unavoidable or the ever-"lovely" Heimdall with his 5-6 chained heavies. If it can't be fixed in a reasonable amount of time then probably best to just go back to original AI where the most annoying was low star arena where AI wwas so passive you could play single-handedly. I guess our whole world not just MCOC is heading to a point where AI will learn and eventually control things and obviously do everything better and faster than any human can keep up with. It's sad but true, all one needs to do is have a look around. Facebook, Youtube and so on are prime examples. They've enhanced their algorythms so much that at this stage they couldn't stop them if they wanted to.
I'll provide a prime example of AI issue and how it was reported with an example and not with a ranty post. Shameless plug of this one again vs shameless kebem.
Apologies for randomly taggin you again @Pikolu , but only you seem to be a communication link between us forumers and kabam.
That video is prime evidence of how bad it is. In the video at the start of the fight the ai hits into kingpin unstoppable with basic and dashes back to counter seemingly all in the same action. If the ai dashes back as its first action that's fine but it didn't. So it goes against the logic and mechanics of the game. It had heightened speed of movements than the mechanics should allow. Players can't light or medium attack and dash back at the same time can they. In any correct scenario that ai basic attack would be countered by the unstoppable and the character would get pummelled backwards by kingpins big belly
intercepts are the worst ever… from either side. your intercept will go poof and then ai will just walk at you to squeeze in a brief kick in the sacks…
Making intercepting necessary is just poor game design when it's almost impossible at times to do so.
The AI feels as tho it reacts to *instantly* counter you so as soon as the window opens to attack, they block and find 50 windows in you to attack just because you went to attack their window...it makes this game horrendous and a major reason I don't want to ever spend on this game
I was robbed of a solo against spidey99 with xbones purely because the AI would dash back 3 times in a row when trying to parry for a heavy or bait a special, and lost my furies. Tried to also bait heavies and he would full on do 4 hits into block then dash back
I was robbed of a solo against spidey99 with xbones purely because the AI would dash back 3 times in a row when trying to parry for a heavy or bait a special, and lost my furies. Tried to also bait heavies and he would full on do 4 hits into block then dash back
What a disaster
Yeah, that sounds like a major AI glitch. The AI should've just cooperated with what you were trying to do.
Yeah it ridiculous how you cant rely in intercepts at all. Some times it just doesn't work other they just parry you when intercepting. They seem to just parry any time they want and you just loose the match.
Yeah it ridiculous how you cant rely in intercepts at all. Some times it just doesn't work other they just parry you when intercepting. They seem to just parry any time they want and you just loose the match.
It's one of the most consistently infuriating thing of the game the past few months with no resolution in sight.
AI has always been an issue, and Kabam knows about it. Ranting does not really help. Constructive comments and feedback does.
Silence means acceptance.
So you read "constructive comments and feedback" to mean "silence"??? And what you favor is "ranting"? Lol, no wonder these threads become what they become.
Yeah it ridiculous how you cant rely in intercepts at all. Some times it just doesn't work other they just parry you when intercepting. They seem to just parry any time they want and you just loose the match.
I am probably the least educated on the subject; but I am still gonna make this comment as if I was an expert. When PC access was announced some people got excited, I was not. Putting this game in a new platform made me worried of more and worse bugs.
Countless war deaths, broken devices (I’m sure for some people at least) losses in BG’s, unnecessary deaths in raids- when will it stop Kabam? Whenever no one plays your game anymore? I’m done sugarcoating it, this is THE reason for all of my frustration with your game. A game that I want to love playing again. At this point, just scrap whatever code you have for your AI- and get someone to start from scratch. This is just ridiculous.
Funny how the AI makes the game unplayable for you, but then we have a good player stream a BG run, and he can dex, block, intercept, etc. Are there moments here and there where some close interaction may have resulted in a glitch or a close call? Sure. But reading threads like the OP's would make people believe the game is broken. And yet, how is it not broken for this person?? https://youtu.be/sbeFtcVmEnE
The game is still broken for that person too, you just probably happened to catch the moments that it wasn’t. I can just about guarantee you, that any high level BG’s player- has gotten extremely frustrated at least a few times a day; due to how the AI plays. Wanna know how I know? I’m in a discord server with pretty much every single one of them, and about 90% of the players from C1-C4. They stream daily, and we all take turns playing. No one is 100% enjoying this game anymore, let alone the game-mode. While AI obviously isn’t the only issue with the mode, it’s definitely the main “drive it home” factor for most.
I'm not a fan of some of those for a particular reason. Just raging and screaming to get views.
Give us an example if it's that common. Just claiming it won't help anyone prove it. When there are legit concerns. We all stand behind it. You guys at the top can prove it if you work together. That will help everyone. But nah, we gonna rage and throw screaming content for revenue.
And I belive you would understand when I say too many people do not understand what AI issues actually are. Most of them just claim ai issues with nothing to back their claim with. As a normal player I too have my AI rage moments, but most of them are not considered AI issues.
The only thing I myself feel annoyed time to time is the recovery speed issue with some heavy or specials. And that's not AI, it's a bug. Damn effin Loooooong standing bug that has been overlooked by kabam. DLL had no answer for it either.
Have someone in your group record all these issues we are talking about. Make it public, shame the money hungry ceo with a proof. Point the community towards it. You guys have direct contact with the kabam employees. Make 1 detailed video or post and let's see how it doesn't get attention from the devs.
Countless war deaths, broken devices (I’m sure for some people at least) losses in BG’s, unnecessary deaths in raids- when will it stop Kabam? Whenever no one plays your game anymore? I’m done sugarcoating it, this is THE reason for all of my frustration with your game. A game that I want to love playing again. At this point, just scrap whatever code you have for your AI- and get someone to start from scratch. This is just ridiculous.
Funny how the AI makes the game unplayable for you, but then we have a good player stream a BG run, and he can dex, block, intercept, etc. Are there moments here and there where some close interaction may have resulted in a glitch or a close call? Sure. But reading threads like the OP's would make people believe the game is broken. And yet, how is it not broken for this person?? https://youtu.be/sbeFtcVmEnE
Ackbar the goat... No complaints from him. He just plays.
The people who are looking for ai issues gets the ai issues.. Just saying playing competitively for 8 years. I hate some AI. But that's how things are.
Bugs are bugs. No relation with AI..
Yes, 100%. On rare occasions there is some input malfunction that I will call out as a glitch. Most of the time though it's just the AI becoming faster, smarter, trickier. Basically, the AI is a jerk. But that's what keeps me playing the game. I would get bored with a punching bag.
Would you also find enjoyment in headbutting a brick wall? If so… do I have the deal for you!
I am probably the least educated on the subject; but I am still gonna make this comment as if I was an expert. When PC access was announced some people got excited, I was not. Putting this game in a new platform made me worried of more and worse bugs.
Countless war deaths, broken devices (I’m sure for some people at least) losses in BG’s, unnecessary deaths in raids- when will it stop Kabam? Whenever no one plays your game anymore? I’m done sugarcoating it, this is THE reason for all of my frustration with your game. A game that I want to love playing again. At this point, just scrap whatever code you have for your AI- and get someone to start from scratch. This is just ridiculous.
Funny how the AI makes the game unplayable for you, but then we have a good player stream a BG run, and he can dex, block, intercept, etc. Are there moments here and there where some close interaction may have resulted in a glitch or a close call? Sure. But reading threads like the OP's would make people believe the game is broken. And yet, how is it not broken for this person?? https://youtu.be/sbeFtcVmEnE
The game is still broken for that person too, you just probably happened to catch the moments that it wasn’t. I can just about guarantee you, that any high level BG’s player- has gotten extremely frustrated at least a few times a day; due to how the AI plays. Wanna know how I know? I’m in a discord server with pretty much every single one of them, and about 90% of the players from C1-C4. They stream daily, and we all take turns playing. No one is 100% enjoying this game anymore, let alone the game-mode. While AI obviously isn’t the only issue with the mode, it’s definitely the main “drive it home” factor for most.
I'm not a fan of some of those for a particular reason. Just raging and screaming to get views.
Give us an example if it's that common. Just claiming it won't help anyone prove it. When there are legit concerns. We all stand behind it. You guys at the top can prove it if you work together. That will help everyone. But nah, we gonna rage and throw screaming content for revenue.
And I belive you would understand when I say too many people do not understand what AI issues actually are. Most of them just claim ai issues with nothing to back their claim with. As a normal player I too have my AI rage moments, but most of them are not considered AI issues.
The only thing I myself feel annoyed time to time is the recovery speed issue with some heavy or specials. And that's not AI, it's a bug. Damn effin Loooooong standing bug that has been overlooked by kabam. DLL had no answer for it either.
Have someone in your group record all these issues we are talking about. Make it public, shame the money hungry ceo with a proof. Point the community towards it. You guys have direct contact with the kabam employees. Make 1 detailed video or post and let's see how it doesn't get attention from the devs.
It's a vent fest. People like OP and the others just piling on never actually show any video of what they're talking about. It's all just mumbo jumbo like "everything is broken" and "I'm a great player and guarantee you" etc. etc. When I show a video, they just dismiss it without even watching it. They don't actually want to have an honest evidence-based discussion about the topic. They just want to complain to make themselves feel better about their failures in the game. So really, when it's disgruntled bad faith lazy emotional venting, all we can say in response is:
1. Just because I don’t show you my own video proof of these issues, doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. 2. In a previous reply to someone else, you said word for word that the AI in this game is evolving- yet here in this post I’m responding to; you backtracked. That’s quite an interesting take you have there, since you don’t actually stand behind it. 3. I never said I was a great player, I said that I was in a discord server with other high level players such as myself. That doesn’t make me a great player, I’m just stating my typical ranking in BG’s- which is a fact. Not an opinion. 4. It’s not a vent fest, but what’s the point in showing video proof- if all it does is get people like you and GamesBond to hush; and do little else of value? Why do you think so many people don’t post videos here? Because there’s almost no point. Also, if you’re just gonna be here solely to argue with people; kindly just leave this thread alone. Thank you.
I am probably the least educated on the subject; but I am still gonna make this comment as if I was an expert. When PC access was announced some people got excited, I was not. Putting this game in a new platform made me worried of more and worse bugs.
Countless war deaths, broken devices (I’m sure for some people at least) losses in BG’s, unnecessary deaths in raids- when will it stop Kabam? Whenever no one plays your game anymore? I’m done sugarcoating it, this is THE reason for all of my frustration with your game. A game that I want to love playing again. At this point, just scrap whatever code you have for your AI- and get someone to start from scratch. This is just ridiculous.
Funny how the AI makes the game unplayable for you, but then we have a good player stream a BG run, and he can dex, block, intercept, etc. Are there moments here and there where some close interaction may have resulted in a glitch or a close call? Sure. But reading threads like the OP's would make people believe the game is broken. And yet, how is it not broken for this person?? https://youtu.be/sbeFtcVmEnE
The game is still broken for that person too, you just probably happened to catch the moments that it wasn’t. I can just about guarantee you, that any high level BG’s player- has gotten extremely frustrated at least a few times a day; due to how the AI plays. Wanna know how I know? I’m in a discord server with pretty much every single one of them, and about 90% of the players from C1-C4. They stream daily, and we all take turns playing. No one is 100% enjoying this game anymore, let alone the game-mode. While AI obviously isn’t the only issue with the mode, it’s definitely the main “drive it home” factor for most.
I'm not a fan of some of those for a particular reason. Just raging and screaming to get views.
Give us an example if it's that common. Just claiming it won't help anyone prove it. When there are legit concerns. We all stand behind it. You guys at the top can prove it if you work together. That will help everyone. But nah, we gonna rage and throw screaming content for revenue.
And I belive you would understand when I say too many people do not understand what AI issues actually are. Most of them just claim ai issues with nothing to back their claim with. As a normal player I too have my AI rage moments, but most of them are not considered AI issues.
The only thing I myself feel annoyed time to time is the recovery speed issue with some heavy or specials. And that's not AI, it's a bug. Damn effin Loooooong standing bug that has been overlooked by kabam. DLL had no answer for it either.
Have someone in your group record all these issues we are talking about. Make it public, shame the money hungry ceo with a proof. Point the community towards it. You guys have direct contact with the kabam employees. Make 1 detailed video or post and let's see how it doesn't get attention from the devs.
It's a vent fest. People like OP and the others just piling on never actually show any video of what they're talking about. It's all just mumbo jumbo like "everything is broken" and "I'm a great player and guarantee you" etc. etc. When I show a video, they just dismiss it without even watching it. They don't actually want to have an honest evidence-based discussion about the topic. They just want to complain to make themselves feel better about their failures in the game. So really, when it's disgruntled bad faith lazy emotional venting, all we can say in response is:
1. Just because I don’t show you my own video proof of these issues, doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. 2. In a previous reply to someone else, you said word for word that the AI in this game is evolving- yet here in this post I’m responding to; you backtracked. That’s quite an interesting take you have there, since you don’t actually stand behind it. 3. I never said I was a great player, I said that I was in a discord server with other high level players such as myself. That doesn’t make me a great player, I’m just stating my typical ranking in BG’s- which is a fact. Not an opinion. 4. It’s not a vent fest, but what’s the point in showing video proof- if all it does is get people you and GamesBond to hush; and do little else of value? Why do you think so many people don’t post videos here? Because there’s almost no point. Also, if you’re just gonna be here solely to argue with people; kindly just leave this thread alone. Thank you.
Ignore them, im pretty sure theyre not playing the same game if they're asking for video proof when the whole community knows theres AI issues. There's a thread every other week on Titanias intimidate not working as it should and all content creators dropped her from their tier lists. Tons of other champs that got completely phased out due to AI issues as well.
I am probably the least educated on the subject; but I am still gonna make this comment as if I was an expert. When PC access was announced some people got excited, I was not. Putting this game in a new platform made me worried of more and worse bugs.
Countless war deaths, broken devices (I’m sure for some people at least) losses in BG’s, unnecessary deaths in raids- when will it stop Kabam? Whenever no one plays your game anymore? I’m done sugarcoating it, this is THE reason for all of my frustration with your game. A game that I want to love playing again. At this point, just scrap whatever code you have for your AI- and get someone to start from scratch. This is just ridiculous.
Funny how the AI makes the game unplayable for you, but then we have a good player stream a BG run, and he can dex, block, intercept, etc. Are there moments here and there where some close interaction may have resulted in a glitch or a close call? Sure. But reading threads like the OP's would make people believe the game is broken. And yet, how is it not broken for this person?? https://youtu.be/sbeFtcVmEnE
The game is still broken for that person too, you just probably happened to catch the moments that it wasn’t. I can just about guarantee you, that any high level BG’s player- has gotten extremely frustrated at least a few times a day; due to how the AI plays. Wanna know how I know? I’m in a discord server with pretty much every single one of them, and about 90% of the players from C1-C4. They stream daily, and we all take turns playing. No one is 100% enjoying this game anymore, let alone the game-mode. While AI obviously isn’t the only issue with the mode, it’s definitely the main “drive it home” factor for most.
I'm not a fan of some of those for a particular reason. Just raging and screaming to get views.
Give us an example if it's that common. Just claiming it won't help anyone prove it. When there are legit concerns. We all stand behind it. You guys at the top can prove it if you work together. That will help everyone. But nah, we gonna rage and throw screaming content for revenue.
And I belive you would understand when I say too many people do not understand what AI issues actually are. Most of them just claim ai issues with nothing to back their claim with. As a normal player I too have my AI rage moments, but most of them are not considered AI issues.
The only thing I myself feel annoyed time to time is the recovery speed issue with some heavy or specials. And that's not AI, it's a bug. Damn effin Loooooong standing bug that has been overlooked by kabam. DLL had no answer for it either.
Have someone in your group record all these issues we are talking about. Make it public, shame the money hungry ceo with a proof. Point the community towards it. You guys have direct contact with the kabam employees. Make 1 detailed video or post and let's see how it doesn't get attention from the devs.
It's a vent fest. People like OP and the others just piling on never actually show any video of what they're talking about. It's all just mumbo jumbo like "everything is broken" and "I'm a great player and guarantee you" etc. etc. When I show a video, they just dismiss it without even watching it. They don't actually want to have an honest evidence-based discussion about the topic. They just want to complain to make themselves feel better about their failures in the game. So really, when it's disgruntled bad faith lazy emotional venting, all we can say in response is:
1. Just because I don’t show you my own video proof of these issues, doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. 2. In a previous reply to someone else, you said word for word that the AI in this game is evolving- yet here in this post I’m responding to; you backtracked. That’s quite an interesting take you have there, since you don’t actually stand behind it. 3. I never said I was a great player, I said that I was in a discord server with other high level players such as myself. That doesn’t make me a great player, I’m just stating my typical ranking in BG’s- which is a fact. Not an opinion. 4. It’s not a vent fest, but what’s the point in showing video proof- if all it does is get people you and GamesBond to hush; and do little else of value? Why do you think so many people don’t post videos here? Because there’s almost no point. Also, if you’re just gonna be here solely to argue with people; kindly just leave this thread alone. Thank you.
Ignore them, im pretty sure theyre not playing the same game if they're asking for video proof when the whole community knows theres AI issues. There's a thread every other week on Titanias intimidate not working as it should and all content creators dropped her from their tier lists. Tons of other champs that got completely phased out due to AI issues as well.
Yeah, I hate to see this game going down this path- but I don’t see it getting better anytime soon. If I’m gonna be entirely honest with you. I was just addressing them that one last time, because I found the blatant hypocrisy and backtracking quite humorous. Thank you for the response though, have a great day!
AI has always been an issue, and Kabam knows about it. Ranting does not really help. Constructive comments and feedback does.
Silence means acceptance.
So you read "constructive comments and feedback" to mean "silence"??? And what you favor is "ranting"? Lol, no wonder these threads become what they become.
I mean about all sort of complains. There s a lot well constructive threads out there, hundreds of videos from youtubers proving the arguments etc. Everything helps.
I am probably the least educated on the subject; but I am still gonna make this comment as if I was an expert. When PC access was announced some people got excited, I was not. Putting this game in a new platform made me worried of more and worse bugs.
Countless war deaths, broken devices (I’m sure for some people at least) losses in BG’s, unnecessary deaths in raids- when will it stop Kabam? Whenever no one plays your game anymore? I’m done sugarcoating it, this is THE reason for all of my frustration with your game. A game that I want to love playing again. At this point, just scrap whatever code you have for your AI- and get someone to start from scratch. This is just ridiculous.
Funny how the AI makes the game unplayable for you, but then we have a good player stream a BG run, and he can dex, block, intercept, etc. Are there moments here and there where some close interaction may have resulted in a glitch or a close call? Sure. But reading threads like the OP's would make people believe the game is broken. And yet, how is it not broken for this person?? https://youtu.be/sbeFtcVmEnE
The game is still broken for that person too, you just probably happened to catch the moments that it wasn’t. I can just about guarantee you, that any high level BG’s player- has gotten extremely frustrated at least a few times a day; due to how the AI plays. Wanna know how I know? I’m in a discord server with pretty much every single one of them, and about 90% of the players from C1-C4. They stream daily, and we all take turns playing. No one is 100% enjoying this game anymore, let alone the game-mode. While AI obviously isn’t the only issue with the mode, it’s definitely the main “drive it home” factor for most.
I'm not a fan of some of those for a particular reason. Just raging and screaming to get views.
Give us an example if it's that common. Just claiming it won't help anyone prove it. When there are legit concerns. We all stand behind it. You guys at the top can prove it if you work together. That will help everyone. But nah, we gonna rage and throw screaming content for revenue.
And I belive you would understand when I say too many people do not understand what AI issues actually are. Most of them just claim ai issues with nothing to back their claim with. As a normal player I too have my AI rage moments, but most of them are not considered AI issues.
The only thing I myself feel annoyed time to time is the recovery speed issue with some heavy or specials. And that's not AI, it's a bug. Damn effin Loooooong standing bug that has been overlooked by kabam. DLL had no answer for it either.
Have someone in your group record all these issues we are talking about. Make it public, shame the money hungry ceo with a proof. Point the community towards it. You guys have direct contact with the kabam employees. Make 1 detailed video or post and let's see how it doesn't get attention from the devs.
It's a vent fest. People like OP and the others just piling on never actually show any video of what they're talking about. It's all just mumbo jumbo like "everything is broken" and "I'm a great player and guarantee you" etc. etc. When I show a video, they just dismiss it without even watching it. They don't actually want to have an honest evidence-based discussion about the topic. They just want to complain to make themselves feel better about their failures in the game. So really, when it's disgruntled bad faith lazy emotional venting, all we can say in response is:
I thought kabam mike no longer worked at kabam. Man, folks don't even try and hide anymore, so hilarious to watch
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The AI feels as tho it reacts to *instantly* counter you so as soon as the window opens to attack, they block and find 50 windows in you to attack just because you went to attack their window...it makes this game horrendous and a major reason I don't want to ever spend on this game
Let us vent like toddlers! We mad at everything!!!
What a disaster
2. In a previous reply to someone else, you said word for word that the AI in this game is evolving- yet here in this post I’m responding to; you backtracked. That’s quite an interesting take you have there, since you don’t actually stand behind it.
3. I never said I was a great player, I said that I was in a discord server with other high level players such as myself. That doesn’t make me a great player, I’m just stating my typical ranking in BG’s- which is a fact. Not an opinion.
4. It’s not a vent fest, but what’s the point in showing video proof- if all it does is get people like you and GamesBond to hush; and do little else of value? Why do you think so many people don’t post videos here? Because there’s almost no point.
Also, if you’re just gonna be here solely to argue with people; kindly just leave this thread alone. Thank you.
I was just addressing them that one last time, because I found the blatant hypocrisy and backtracking quite humorous. Thank you for the response though, have a great day!