But I do know that if you go to an arraignment court anywhere in the country, every defendant will swear to you that they're innocent. Cheaters lie; that's their whole personality.
You know who else says they didn't do anything wrong? Innocent people.
Do you know how many ppl were actually telling the truth out of all of the ones that said they never cheated or did anything to violate tos and thats with new detection software bans 3 out of every person who said they never violated tos only 3 ppl that i have seen have ever had their bans reversed out of error so thats why the majority of the forums are disagreeing with this cause history is on our side and we have seen it all here now in those instances if i was wrong then i appologize so we shall see now if these ppl are right i hope they get their accounts back with some sort of comp but if you did something wrong then you know what the saying is
I have no idea whether these people are innocent or not, I only know i haven't been banned and use the play store, but I don't really have 100% confidence in kabams coding prowess and judgement so a few points/thoughts.
1) if they are confident in technology to detect this, why not as a first step just prevent any account the system is flagging from logging in using this rather than straight ban. Then at least someone can stream a video of them with a fresh play store install and still get the block (if they insist they are innocent)
Because if you just block people who cheat from cheating, they'll just keep trying until they figure out a way around the blocks. All security is based on this principle: you deploy a triad of prevention, detection, and response. Bank vaults, for example, are not designed to keep criminals out. They are designed to keep criminals out just long enough for the police to arrive and arrest them.
People using unauthorized clients aren't all necessarily cheating, but they pose the same threat as emulators. If you allow people to use modified or otherwise unauthorized clients, you can't trust what they say. Which means your ability to detect cheaters drops substantially. You have to prevent people from using such tools, and you can't let them keep trying until they get it right.
The point is, you have to really be 100% confident with automatic ban detection or willing to also do any manual reviews that are needed after the ban, or you do risk a lot of reputational damage if there are any false bans in there. Again I don't know if there are any false bans. I would definitely rather though a few cheaters find a way around it, than have any innocent people get banned along with it. Blocking rather than banning would at least iron out any potential issues. A bank vault isn't really the same as there is a physical barrier involved and a defined list of people who should be able to access it.
And again I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the other point, catching tos breakers who install from wrong source is great, but wouldn't any actual malicious software worth it's time mask it's source to appear from play store or whatever. If this technology existed with any confidence, there would be very little cheating/modified clients in any game.
You have to prevent people from using such tools, and you can't let them keep trying until they get it right.
That's what he said to do. Pop up a message saying, "You are using an unauthorized version of this game. Please delete it and download an authorized copy or you will not be allowed to log in." Now, I don't know if the software can check that in real time. But it would be a great solution if it could.
The annoying part about all this is that there are too many posts and Crashed won't waste his time replying to all of them . Wished we had just a couple of people, get the entertainment rolling for the weekend, then we get the Crashed hammer on Monday
More than 10,000 accounts were banned today. I think it's to be expected that there are so many threads and posts. And I have no idea whether all the bans were valid or not. But I do know that if you go to an arraignment court anywhere in the country, every defendant will swear to you that they're innocent. Cheaters lie; that's their whole personality.
I really hope you get banned for no reason some day. Your posts are not helping anyone!
The announcement said they banned accounts that are using a version of the game that was not downloaded via apple, google, or Kabam as these are the only legitimate sources for the app
my mcoc is god damn downloaded from apple app store straight, and my account got banned permantly, wtf
The annoying part about all this is that there are too many posts and Crashed won't waste his time replying to all of them . Wished we had just a couple of people, get the entertainment rolling for the weekend, then we get the Crashed hammer on Monday
More than 10,000 accounts were banned today. I think it's to be expected that there are so many threads and posts. And I have no idea whether all the bans were valid or not. But I do know that if you go to an arraignment court anywhere in the country, every defendant will swear to you that they're innocent. Cheaters lie; that's their whole personality.
I really hope you get banned for no reason some day. Your posts are not helping anyone!
I have no idea whether these people are innocent or not, I only know i haven't been banned and use the play store, but I don't really have 100% confidence in kabams coding prowess and judgement so a few points/thoughts.
1) if they are confident in technology to detect this, why not as a first step just prevent any account the system is flagging from logging in using this rather than straight ban. Then at least someone can stream a video of them with a fresh play store install and still get the block (if they insist they are innocent)
Because if you just block people who cheat from cheating, they'll just keep trying until they figure out a way around the blocks. All security is based on this principle: you deploy a triad of prevention, detection, and response. Bank vaults, for example, are not designed to keep criminals out. They are designed to keep criminals out just long enough for the police to arrive and arrest them.
People using unauthorized clients aren't all necessarily cheating, but they pose the same threat as emulators. If you allow people to use modified or otherwise unauthorized clients, you can't trust what they say. Which means your ability to detect cheaters drops substantially. You have to prevent people from using such tools, and you can't let them keep trying until they get it right.
I guess what you're saying here is that the one bank robber that comes in to rob the vault; the police throws everyone in jail for 6 days. Basically, guilty until proven innocent? The issue is how does one do that? There isn't anything that regular folks can do on their end... How does one prove that they aren't using modded software, didn't download from approved sources, or not using third party software?
I know you're a smart person. Do you have any suggestions on how I or any normal person would go about proving their innocence's?
I'm going to play this morning and suddenly this! I don't think I did anything wrong, I was just playing on the computer through the site so it should be fine. I would ask the Kaba to unblock me, my alliance needs me. @Kabam
I have no idea whether these people are innocent or not, I only know i haven't been banned and use the play store, but I don't really have 100% confidence in kabams coding prowess and judgement so a few points/thoughts.
1) if they are confident in technology to detect this, why not as a first step just prevent any account the system is flagging from logging in using this rather than straight ban. Then at least someone can stream a video of them with a fresh play store install and still get the block (if they insist they are innocent)
Because if you just block people who cheat from cheating, they'll just keep trying until they figure out a way around the blocks. All security is based on this principle: you deploy a triad of prevention, detection, and response. Bank vaults, for example, are not designed to keep criminals out. They are designed to keep criminals out just long enough for the police to arrive and arrest them.
People using unauthorized clients aren't all necessarily cheating, but they pose the same threat as emulators. If you allow people to use modified or otherwise unauthorized clients, you can't trust what they say. Which means your ability to detect cheaters drops substantially. You have to prevent people from using such tools, and you can't let them keep trying until they get it right.
I guess what you're saying here is that the one bank robber that comes in to rob the vault; the police throws everyone in jail for 6 days. Basically, guilty until proven innocent? The issue is how does one do that? There isn't anything that regular folks can do on their end... How does one prove that they aren't using modded software, didn't download from approved sources, or not using third party software?
I know you're a smart person. Do you have any suggestions on how I or any normal person would go about proving their innocence's?
Yeah the bank vault analogy didn't really work. If you get caught trying to get into a bank vault, at least in most countries they would probably let you prove you are an employee with valid credentials and you are allowed to be there, so the system must be malfunctioning. You would get a chance to prove your innocence. In this situation you don't. That's why a block rather than ban so you can prove your client is legitimate would make more sense.
Then when you are really 100% confident maybe move to a ban, at no point did I say let people try to find ways to get past it forever.
As I said if everyone who has been banned turns out to be cheats or breaking TOS then great, well done, but if a few innocent people got caught in crossfire that's not on and they should be allowed to prove the system is failing for a legitimate game install.
And don't release things like this on a Friday, it's poor showing to release something then just disappear for the weekend, do it earlier in the week and own your actions.
Playing for 9 years, logged in twice during the day to do some rank ups, then last night I got banned for no reason! 3rd party software?!! The game I play is downloaded from Google play since day 1! What is going on?! I sent them a ticket and no response! I am missing out on my arena grind!
Playing for 9 years, logged in twice during the day to do some rank ups, then last night I got banned for no reason! 3rd party software?!! The game I play is downloaded from Google play since day 1! What is going on?! I sent them a ticket and no response! I am missing out on my arena grind!
I have no idea whether these people are innocent or not, I only know i haven't been banned and use the play store, but I don't really have 100% confidence in kabams coding prowess and judgement so a few points/thoughts.
1) if they are confident in technology to detect this, why not as a first step just prevent any account the system is flagging from logging in using this rather than straight ban. Then at least someone can stream a video of them with a fresh play store install and still get the block (if they insist they are innocent)
Because if you just block people who cheat from cheating, they'll just keep trying until they figure out a way around the blocks. All security is based on this principle: you deploy a triad of prevention, detection, and response. Bank vaults, for example, are not designed to keep criminals out. They are designed to keep criminals out just long enough for the police to arrive and arrest them.
People using unauthorized clients aren't all necessarily cheating, but they pose the same threat as emulators. If you allow people to use modified or otherwise unauthorized clients, you can't trust what they say. Which means your ability to detect cheaters drops substantially. You have to prevent people from using such tools, and you can't let them keep trying until they get it right.
I guess what you're saying here is that the one bank robber that comes in to rob the vault; the police throws everyone in jail for 6 days. Basically, guilty until proven innocent? The issue is how does one do that? There isn't anything that regular folks can do on their end... How does one prove that they aren't using modded software, didn't download from approved sources, or not using third party software?
I know you're a smart person. Do you have any suggestions on how I or any normal person would go about proving their innocence's?
Both apple and google allows you to view your purchase history and you can see the date and time you first installed the app and every time you’ve either updated or re installed it. So if you want to prove that you are using an authorized download it isn’t that hard. Took me all of 2 mins to google how to do it.
I have no idea whether these people are innocent or not, I only know i haven't been banned and use the play store, but I don't really have 100% confidence in kabams coding prowess and judgement so a few points/thoughts.
1) if they are confident in technology to detect this, why not as a first step just prevent any account the system is flagging from logging in using this rather than straight ban. Then at least someone can stream a video of them with a fresh play store install and still get the block (if they insist they are innocent)
Because if you just block people who cheat from cheating, they'll just keep trying until they figure out a way around the blocks. All security is based on this principle: you deploy a triad of prevention, detection, and response. Bank vaults, for example, are not designed to keep criminals out. They are designed to keep criminals out just long enough for the police to arrive and arrest them.
People using unauthorized clients aren't all necessarily cheating, but they pose the same threat as emulators. If you allow people to use modified or otherwise unauthorized clients, you can't trust what they say. Which means your ability to detect cheaters drops substantially. You have to prevent people from using such tools, and you can't let them keep trying until they get it right.
I guess what you're saying here is that the one bank robber that comes in to rob the vault; the police throws everyone in jail for 6 days. Basically, guilty until proven innocent? The issue is how does one do that? There isn't anything that regular folks can do on their end... How does one prove that they aren't using modded software, didn't download from approved sources, or not using third party software?
I know you're a smart person. Do you have any suggestions on how I or any normal person would go about proving their innocence's?
Both apple and google allows you to view your purchase history and you can see the date and time you first installed the app and every time you’ve either updated or re installed it. So if you want to prove that you are using an authorized download it isn’t that hard. Took me all of 2 mins to google how to do it.
To be fair, no screenshot will ever prove anything. Much like how people post on Instagram, it can all be fabricated to show people what you want them to see. You can have both the legitimate game and a modded version of it downloaded at the same time, so showing when you downloaded the legit version doesn't prove you didn't download another version elsewhere.
Thanks Kabam, now if I get wrecked in BGs I know its not from a modder. At least I had that to try to feel better....
What am I gonna use as an excuse now? I was able to blame my new phone when I got it a couple months ago, then I could blame modding/potential modding but now what? I'm gonna have to go back to blaming the AI now. 🤣
I have no idea whether these people are innocent or not, I only know i haven't been banned and use the play store, but I don't really have 100% confidence in kabams coding prowess and judgement so a few points/thoughts.
1) if they are confident in technology to detect this, why not as a first step just prevent any account the system is flagging from logging in using this rather than straight ban. Then at least someone can stream a video of them with a fresh play store install and still get the block (if they insist they are innocent)
Because if you just block people who cheat from cheating, they'll just keep trying until they figure out a way around the blocks. All security is based on this principle: you deploy a triad of prevention, detection, and response. Bank vaults, for example, are not designed to keep criminals out. They are designed to keep criminals out just long enough for the police to arrive and arrest them.
People using unauthorized clients aren't all necessarily cheating, but they pose the same threat as emulators. If you allow people to use modified or otherwise unauthorized clients, you can't trust what they say. Which means your ability to detect cheaters drops substantially. You have to prevent people from using such tools, and you can't let them keep trying until they get it right.
I guess what you're saying here is that the one bank robber that comes in to rob the vault; the police throws everyone in jail for 6 days. Basically, guilty until proven innocent? The issue is how does one do that? There isn't anything that regular folks can do on their end... How does one prove that they aren't using modded software, didn't download from approved sources, or not using third party software?
I know you're a smart person. Do you have any suggestions on how I or any normal person would go about proving their innocence's?
Both apple and google allows you to view your purchase history and you can see the date and time you first installed the app and every time you’ve either updated or re installed it. So if you want to prove that you are using an authorized download it isn’t that hard. Took me all of 2 mins to google how to do it.
To be fair, no screenshot will ever prove anything. Much like how people post on Instagram, it can all be fabricated to show people what you want them to see. You can have both the legitimate game and a modded version of it downloaded at the same time, so showing when you downloaded the legit version doesn't prove you didn't download another version elsewhere.
Fair point but for truly innocent people this could be helpful.
My guess is that since the app has a lot of permissions on your device including device settings the anti cheat software uses that to verify the source of the installation.
Как такое возможно у меня 2 аккаунта сильный и слабый, сильный забанили , а слабый нет. Игра скачана с Apkpure чистая ещё год назад,в Гугле на моем телефоне игры нет недоступна в моем регионе,аккаунт создан давно ветерана должен был получить в августе уже,никаких писем , и предупреждений не было ,
10,000 permanent bans and 2000 7 day bans. This week will be interesting. I hope no innocent summoner get caught in the ban wave with their new detection technology. There's only been a few times where Kabam banned the wrong summoners but those are rare. I'm glad the ban wave came back. Now time to enjoy the I'm innocent post and have a good laugh.
Kabam doesn't give a clear answer through support, nor a solution, it only tells you the official sites to download the game, insinuating that we downloaded it from an unofficial one when it's not like that. My answer is to download it from the Google Play Store. I use a Xiaomi Redmi 12 and it does come with the Google Play Store installed by default. That you don't want to admit that your anti-cheat system has errors is another thing. I don't use third-party applications to play, you are not more serious than me and anyone who says otherwise. I hope you send me through support the supposedly unofficial site where you say I downloaded the game.
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And again I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the other point, catching tos breakers who install from wrong source is great, but wouldn't any actual malicious software worth it's time mask it's source to appear from play store or whatever. If this technology existed with any confidence, there would be very little cheating/modified clients in any game.
I know you're a smart person. Do you have any suggestions on how I or any normal person would go about proving their innocence's?
Then when you are really 100% confident maybe move to a ban, at no point did I say let people try to find ways to get past it forever.
As I said if everyone who has been banned turns out to be cheats or breaking TOS then great, well done, but if a few innocent people got caught in crossfire that's not on and they should be allowed to prove the system is failing for a legitimate game install.
And don't release things like this on a Friday, it's poor showing to release something then just disappear for the weekend, do it earlier in the week and own your actions.
I was able to blame my new phone when I got it a couple months ago, then I could blame modding/potential modding but now what?
I'm gonna have to go back to blaming the AI now. 🤣
My guess is that since the app has a lot of permissions on your device including device settings the anti cheat software uses that to verify the source of the installation.
Kabam doesn't give a clear answer through support, nor a solution, it only tells you the official sites to download the game, insinuating that we downloaded it from an unofficial one when it's not like that. My answer is to download it from the Google Play Store. I use a Xiaomi Redmi 12 and it does come with the Google Play Store installed by default. That you don't want to admit that your anti-cheat system has errors is another thing. I don't use third-party applications to play, you are not more serious than me and anyone who says otherwise. I hope you send me through support the supposedly unofficial site where you say I downloaded the game.