Initial Thoughts On The Maker?

NONYABIZZ

Forgot I used to do this lol
How we feeling??

Comments

Ragnaruk5178

That’s true

GilbertoJunior

you know the worst part? the mine ins't the problem but how they worked around It

instead of making it a one time per rotation they should have made like sable and did multiple mines,each time the opponent steps on one they apply a copy one of Maker pre fights, 3 of each at max and it's 2 mines instead of 1,reduced damage but the catch is

While holding special maker gains a passive precision making all hits guareented for 5 seconds,paused during specials and when Maker would crit he deals a burst of plasma based on his critical damage rating

For a extra on the Awakening he gain a certain % Cruelty based on personal passive effects on the opponent, and make him parry non contact attack as a base kit thing
Well you see the problem? Most mutants punish critical hits and big yellow numbers

Onslaught Inflicts neuroshock
Kitty gains prowess
Mr Sinister regene
Havok gains charges

Tech champs are supposed to function in a way that they can counter mutants who punish crits

My idea for when he crits is the same as Jack Latern,the guareented crit is for your special to deal a ton of plasma Burst without needing to heavily rely on the mine

GilbertoJunior

you know the worst part? the mine ins't the problem but how they worked around It

instead of making it a one time per rotation they should have made like sable and did multiple mines,each time the opponent steps on one they apply a copy one of Maker pre fights, 3 of each at max and it's 2 mines instead of 1,reduced damage but the catch is

While holding special maker gains a passive precision making all hits guareented for 5 seconds,paused during specials and when Maker would crit he deals a burst of plasma based on his critical damage rating

For a extra on the Awakening he gain a certain % Cruelty based on personal passive effects on the opponent, and make him parry non contact attack as a base kit thing
He's not supposed to be crit, thats a huge part of the tech identity now. Also you yet again keep suggestion massive fundamental changes that completely misunderstand the character

He doesn't do crit hits he does burst of plasma when he would crit like Jack,The guareented crit precision is for your specials to not depend solely in the mine for big damage,

"Also you yet again keep suggestion massive fundamental changes that completely misunderstand the character"

I still kept the mine,still kept his actual kit and just made It easier to apply his effects, I don't think it takes much to understand that Maker wouldn't commit the same "mistakes" as Reed and would have a much easier Ramp, you put your mines and they apply the copy of your passives like Reed S2,you do your heavy and if they step on a mine during the special you gain Cruelty of certain potency based on how many passive effects you have

If you call this exaggerated I would agree but to say "completly misundertand the character" is trying to play yourself as smart

WednesdayLength

you know the worst part? the mine ins't the problem but how they worked around It

instead of making it a one time per rotation they should have made like sable and did multiple mines,each time the opponent steps on one they apply a copy one of Maker pre fights, 3 of each at max and it's 2 mines instead of 1,reduced damage but the catch is

While holding special maker gains a passive precision making all hits guareented for 5 seconds,paused during specials and when Maker would crit he deals a burst of plasma based on his critical damage rating

For a extra on the Awakening he gain a certain % Cruelty based on personal passive effects on the opponent, and make him parry non contact attack as a base kit thing
He's not supposed to be crit, thats a huge part of the tech identity now. Also you yet again keep suggestion massive fundamental changes that completely misunderstand the character
He doesn't do crit hits he does burst of plasma when he would crit like Jack,The guareented crit precision is for your specials to not depend solely in the mine for big damage,

"Also you yet again keep suggestion massive fundamental changes that completely misunderstand the character"

I still kept the mine,still kept his actual kit and just made It easier to apply his effects, I don't think it takes much to understand that Maker wouldn't commit the same "mistakes" as Reed and would have a much easier Ramp, you put your mines and they apply the copy of your passives like Reed S2,you do your heavy and if they step on a mine during the special you gain Cruelty of certain potency based on how many passive effects you have

If you call this exaggerated I would agree but to say "completly misundertand the character" is trying to play yourself as smart

He's built to have 1 mine that you work with, adding more mines would completely change his rotation and likely make him way way slower as an attacker. His damage primarily comes from the mine burst damage so giving him damage outside of that doesn't fix the issues since unless he's critting all the time any boost to that damage isn't gonna do much.

Jack is built around his crit plasma, Maker is not. Im not trying to be smart im just pointing out that your buff suggestions are often based around completely changing how a champion is supposed to work

GilbertoJunior

you know the worst part? the mine ins't the problem but how they worked around It

instead of making it a one time per rotation they should have made like sable and did multiple mines,each time the opponent steps on one they apply a copy one of Maker pre fights, 3 of each at max and it's 2 mines instead of 1,reduced damage but the catch is

While holding special maker gains a passive precision making all hits guareented for 5 seconds,paused during specials and when Maker would crit he deals a burst of plasma based on his critical damage rating

For a extra on the Awakening he gain a certain % Cruelty based on personal passive effects on the opponent, and make him parry non contact attack as a base kit thing
He's not supposed to be crit, thats a huge part of the tech identity now. Also you yet again keep suggestion massive fundamental changes that completely misunderstand the character
He doesn't do crit hits he does burst of plasma when he would crit like Jack,The guareented crit precision is for your specials to not depend solely in the mine for big damage,

"Also you yet again keep suggestion massive fundamental changes that completely misunderstand the character"

I still kept the mine,still kept his actual kit and just made It easier to apply his effects, I don't think it takes much to understand that Maker wouldn't commit the same "mistakes" as Reed and would have a much easier Ramp, you put your mines and they apply the copy of your passives like Reed S2,you do your heavy and if they step on a mine during the special you gain Cruelty of certain potency based on how many passive effects you have

If you call this exaggerated I would agree but to say "completly misundertand the character" is trying to play yourself as smart

He's built to have 1 mine that you work with, adding more mines would completely change his rotation and likely make him way way slower as an attacker. His damage primarily comes from the mine burst damage so giving him damage outside of that doesn't fix the issues since unless he's critting all the time any boost to that damage isn't gonna do much.

Jack is built around his crit plasma, Maker is not. Im not trying to be smart im just pointing out that your buff suggestions are often based around completely changing how a champion is supposed to work

How would make him way way slower as a attacker if it will increase your combat power rate with the duplicates of his effects,Yes his going to crit most of the time since the precision can be paused during specials and it's 5 seconds, won't do much as it would outside specials but still help since both of your attacks gonna crit

I'm not completly changing how Maker is supost to work, i'm adding alternative form of damage and boosting already existent effects, even if change that much won't be for the worst and in his actual state his very Hit or Miss champion

EdisonLaw

Finally got the Maker and here are my current thoughts after testing him out

Things I like

Damage is very consistent, with no one immune to Plasma, making it a very good damage source. In fact, out of every energy damaging effect, Plasma is the only effect no one is immune to. Dark Phoenix and Iceman are immune to Nova Flame but no one is immune to plasma
The evade on parry with passive stun is very useful with a short cooldown, making him viable vs unblockable opponents, or opponents that you cannot parry easily (Skill champs, Shuri, Maw, Onslaught). Also makes him decent for Zola since he can heavy knock down Zola every 8 seconds.
Neuroshock immunity. More mutant defenders like Cap Britain and Onslaught have neuroshock damage and I'm sure we'll see future Neuroshock damage nodes like hazard shift, so this will be useful. Reverse controls immunity is always nice vs those annoying RC champs (Emma Frost, High Evolutionary, Knull, Onslaught)
Animations are top tier, especially that brutal SP3. SP1 and SP2 are cool.
Prefights are useful anywhere. For example, vs Captain Britain, anyone can use the special power drain in war and questing, doesn't have to be the Maker who uses it. Another example, if you are facing Kitty Pryde anywhere, choose the Cowardice prefight with anyone including the Maker, and Kitty is shut down as long as the cowardice stays on them. The instant siphon is useful for anyone with high burst damage (Galan, Serpent, Jean, DPXF), as MSD showed in his video
His power control is among the best vs non-power gain champs. First of all, that special power drain counters any champion or node with power efficiency (Sentinel, Dust, Professor X). Secondly, those suppressions lock down the opponent's CPR pretty well, but Maker also gets that Power Reroute, stealing all the opponent's power for himself. But the real insanity is combing this with Mr Fantastic's suppressions. The Maker's suppressions are 10% each and can stack up to 60%. Combining that with Mr Fantastic's 22% 3 Suppressions (highest versions), that means the opponent gets 126% less combat power rate. Haven't tested this before, but it should mean that unless the opponent has power gain, they will gain either no power, or very less power.

Things I'm not a fan of

Needs the highest rank possible for max damage. The one issue I am having, is that if the opponent doesn't die after a SP2, it may take a while for the Maker to finish off his opponent. Sure you can go to the SP3, but it does slow things down, especially in BGs.
Stun Immunity. If the opponent is Stun immune, it makes it harder for Maker to rely on his evade and heavies to reset the mine
Defensive abilities: The Maker for all his power control and evade stun, cannot counter abilities like evade, unstoppable or miss, which can potentially disrupt his loop.

Doug4theWin

Gonna rank up Evil Reed and see how he hits at Rank 5.

WednesdayLength

you know the worst part? the mine ins't the problem but how they worked around It

instead of making it a one time per rotation they should have made like sable and did multiple mines,each time the opponent steps on one they apply a copy one of Maker pre fights, 3 of each at max and it's 2 mines instead of 1,reduced damage but the catch is

While holding special maker gains a passive precision making all hits guareented for 5 seconds,paused during specials and when Maker would crit he deals a burst of plasma based on his critical damage rating

For a extra on the Awakening he gain a certain % Cruelty based on personal passive effects on the opponent, and make him parry non contact attack as a base kit thing
He's not supposed to be crit, thats a huge part of the tech identity now. Also you yet again keep suggestion massive fundamental changes that completely misunderstand the character
He doesn't do crit hits he does burst of plasma when he would crit like Jack,The guareented crit precision is for your specials to not depend solely in the mine for big damage,

"Also you yet again keep suggestion massive fundamental changes that completely misunderstand the character"

I still kept the mine,still kept his actual kit and just made It easier to apply his effects, I don't think it takes much to understand that Maker wouldn't commit the same "mistakes" as Reed and would have a much easier Ramp, you put your mines and they apply the copy of your passives like Reed S2,you do your heavy and if they step on a mine during the special you gain Cruelty of certain potency based on how many passive effects you have

If you call this exaggerated I would agree but to say "completly misundertand the character" is trying to play yourself as smart

He's built to have 1 mine that you work with, adding more mines would completely change his rotation and likely make him way way slower as an attacker. His damage primarily comes from the mine burst damage so giving him damage outside of that doesn't fix the issues since unless he's critting all the time any boost to that damage isn't gonna do much.

Jack is built around his crit plasma, Maker is not. Im not trying to be smart im just pointing out that your buff suggestions are often based around completely changing how a champion is supposed to work
How would make him way way slower as a attacker if it will increase your combat power rate with the duplicates of his effects,Yes his going to crit most of the time since the precision can be paused during specials and it's 5 seconds, won't do much as it would outside specials but still help since both of your attacks gonna crit

I'm not completly changing how Maker is supost to work, i'm adding alternative form of damage and boosting already existent effects, even if change that much won't be for the worst and in his actual state his very Hit or Miss champion

His entire kit is built around having 1 mine and that's what his damage is built around, giving him multiple mines does change how that works completely because then you have to re adjust the damage across them all and it also means having to drop multiple sp1s in a fight. Stop trying to make him sable lmao

you know the worst part? the mine ins't the problem but how they worked around It

instead of making it a one time per rotation they should have made like sable and did multiple mines,each time the opponent steps on one they apply a copy one of Maker pre fights, 3 of each at max and it's 2 mines instead of 1,reduced damage but the catch is

While holding special maker gains a passive precision making all hits guareented for 5 seconds,paused during specials and when Maker would crit he deals a burst of plasma based on his critical damage rating

For a extra on the Awakening he gain a certain % Cruelty based on personal passive effects on the opponent, and make him parry non contact attack as a base kit thing
He's not supposed to be crit, thats a huge part of the tech identity now. Also you yet again keep suggestion massive fundamental changes that completely misunderstand the character
He doesn't do crit hits he does burst of plasma when he would crit like Jack,The guareented crit precision is for your specials to not depend solely in the mine for big damage,

"Also you yet again keep suggestion massive fundamental changes that completely misunderstand the character"

I still kept the mine,still kept his actual kit and just made It easier to apply his effects, I don't think it takes much to understand that Maker wouldn't commit the same "mistakes" as Reed and would have a much easier Ramp, you put your mines and they apply the copy of your passives like Reed S2,you do your heavy and if they step on a mine during the special you gain Cruelty of certain potency based on how many passive effects you have

If you call this exaggerated I would agree but to say "completly misundertand the character" is trying to play yourself as smart

He's built to have 1 mine that you work with, adding more mines would completely change his rotation and likely make him way way slower as an attacker. His damage primarily comes from the mine burst damage so giving him damage outside of that doesn't fix the issues since unless he's critting all the time any boost to that damage isn't gonna do much.

Jack is built around his crit plasma, Maker is not. Im not trying to be smart im just pointing out that your buff suggestions are often based around completely changing how a champion is supposed to work
How would make him way way slower as a attacker if it will increase your combat power rate with the duplicates of his effects,Yes his going to crit most of the time since the precision can be paused during specials and it's 5 seconds, won't do much as it would outside specials but still help since both of your attacks gonna crit

I'm not completly changing how Maker is supost to work, i'm adding alternative form of damage and boosting already existent effects, even if change that much won't be for the worst and in his actual state his very Hit or Miss champion

His entire kit is built around having 1 mine and that's what his damage is built around, giving him multiple mines does change how that works completely because then you have to re adjust the damage across them all and it also means having to drop multiple sp1s in a fight. Stop trying to make him sable lmao

NONYABIZZ

https://youtu.be/LB21hkJiKLA?si=33TH6pduEKWYNG_u

I think y'all might have been too harsh on maker. He doesn’t look bad tbh. Seems like a great mutant counter. The neuro and reverse control immunity is great for onslaught Jean Cassandra and cap Britain. And his damage if played well (regularly charging heavy and detonating the mine) is good enough for battlegrounds.

It might fall short in ROL healthpools because he doesn’t have the range for that amount but im pretty sure it's enough for 300-400k healthpools.

EgyptOverseer

A tech Mister Fantastic. He is the new Red Hulk of the pool.

NONYABIZZ

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2874411#Comment_2874411

not when he actually has uses. Neuro shock immunity and reverse control immunity THOSE ARE USEFUL. I think I'll be r3ing him just to see so I can personally form an opinion but from what im expecting, im expecting him to be a decent attacker outside those mutant matchups. His damage doesn't seem bad if you're constantly playing around the burst damage from the mines. Also the tech class is the second weakest offensive class in the game and also my weakest, I just added viv to the deck and shes putting in work. I need to kick prowler out as I haven't used him in over a year lol 😭

Ragnaruk5178

Really cool tbh I completely take back what I said about him. Really fun too basically a tech galan. He’s pretty good for bgs too and can take on a whole multitude of defenders

Ragnaruk5178

@NONYABIZZ seriously, prowler isn’t any good for you? I’ve always assumed you had a big account but is he not high sig for you?

TheMostHated1

He’s mid

NONYABIZZ

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2874681#Comment_2874681

My account is decently sized and I am up to date with the meta. My prowler is sig 160+ up until now he was one of my top 5 champs so he would always spook fear in the minds of the noobs everytime I make my climb to GC. I cant count up to 5 times I've ever drafted him since I became valiant in 2023. He stayed that long despite being used because i would always just hit GC hit 200 points and get my radiance and dip. I never played SERIOUSLY. But I've began to start pushing recently.

And as you keep adding and subtracting every time new champs come in there only is so much a ban bait can do. Also, no player who has indepth knowledge of the game is banning a r3 prowler over some of the other OP champs i try to sneak in lol.

AS for the sigs i don't consider him being worthy of generic sig stones in this day and age given how rare it is. Its just 200 sigs for decent damage. He's not even a great option for the mutants.

I can name you "9" tech champs YES 9 TECH CHAMPS (Maker included) that I'd place above prowler but this is a maker centric thread.

I also still run 6* kate, Hulkling and 7* r2 phoenix (solely for zola and sentinel) even though I now have karolina and r2 sinister (for bullseye). Even 6 stars made the deck over him.

EdisonLaw

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2874411#Comment_2874411

He’s much better than Rulk

EdisonLaw

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2874673#Comment_2874673

Tech is still the second weakest even with champs like Bastion, FAM, Jack and Zola?

NONYABIZZ

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2874774#Comment_2874774

To be fair I did say "second weakest offensively" but yes overall I'd still place them as the second weakest because they lack offensively great champions. Other than starky and shocker none of the other techs are amazing outside the mutant class it's not a bad thing as the game is moving to a class countering class state but I consider champions great by how well they can counter their class and also go outside the class and the techs are lacking behind. You could even argue that they're below skill in the generalist department however skill do not have ENOUGH attackers so they're automatically the worst.

Sw0rdMaster

There is good video showcasing him

https://youtu.be/LB21hkJiKLA?si=4Okm6ptCB_5pJ9Z_

Crew_Brew111

Just got him today and and thought he was horrible on offense until I watched msd vid on him and the damage when played right is pretty decent. The utility is awesome.

NONYABIZZ

Okay I can admit it. He definitely NEEDS a damage tune-up or at the very least keep the mine after the sp2 detonation. He's very unreliable JESUS CHRIST. If the fight isn't over in 50 seconds then it turns into a 120 second fight EVEN AGAINST MUTANTS. Don't even get me started on non mutants. Damage is his only problem THAT SERIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE FIXED. Right now he's kinda the 3rd grade tech in my deck. Jack and viv get more play than he does. Only gets drafted when I don't get those 2 or shocker. But he still can be quite decent.

I swear he'd be such a great champion if they just gave him more damage. Hes very inconsistent

NONYABIZZ

Like this was actually so embarrassing. Keep in mind, he doesn't crit so the only way sinister was regening was from the precision buff gained from dexing and maker still couldn't finish him in decent time.

You decide to take a risk with that sp2 detonation and once it doesn't kill. You're done.

I don't regret ranking him and he'll probably stay in the deck till a new tech champ comes out that does the same matchups and has immunity to reversed control BUT DAMN HE NEEDS A BUFF (not ranking up bastion due to not having immunity to reversed control, I already have viv and she can do most of the same things as bastion).

HenryPork

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2888054#Comment_2888054

We need to campaign to get him a buff, this stuff is absurd and stupid. See my related post.