Elder is getting a rework/retune - it was absolutely needed - excited to see what the changes are

There's one thing I think they should keep and that is the single use/champ swap format.. and I'll post an illustration of why

https://youtu.be/kmj1jepgZ7I?si=iiCorSSlyRdHa_Ib

But, not because I want the difficulty cranked up.. because I want to have fun using different champs
But as we know it needed major changes to make this format viable, inclusive and enjoyable.. while still making us use our brains and skills a bit so we are mentally engaged enough to feel a sense of accomplishment if we complete the content

My personal recommendations for Elder would be:
- tune down attack by 50%
- tune down HP by 25% (tune *up* attacker damage in addition to this via better beneficial node utilization)
- rework the class based beneficial nodes (damage increase) to be more inclusive of the entire class.. using 3 different themes per section when it makes sense to do so - we can plan each section accordingly in this case, etc.

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hungryhungrybbq

The video is also an illustration of how the class based beneficial nodes worked better in the classic format.. where you select 5 champs who benefit highly from the node set and are able to use them multiple times

When they tried to make those same node sets work in a 15 fight single use format.. the result was often 50-75% of the class being unable to even use the damage modification.. and this was one of the core issues imo.. along with overturned attack ratings - those two things combined were one of the biggest factors that made it a slog and/or way too punishing for developing accounts

Magrailothos

It would be nice if EQ didn't make synergies and ramp-up champions completely pointless, though.

At least in the previous variant quest iteration, you had a team of three to swap out, so could have fun with synergies.

That would also let them 'zone' different parts of the quest with different nodes.

hungryhungrybbq

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2874730#Comment_2874730

Agree, I suppose we still have Story, but that is absolutely the downside to single use format.. no ramp champs and no synergy

Unless they really go back through ramp champs kits and and reword them all to have what they have for Battlegrounds and add it to single fight quests too

But yeah, issue with classic 5 champ team/multi use format is that you end up spamming one champ.. people are doing that in 9.3 rn :)

Asher1_1

Just health & attack reduction is enough

hungryhungrybbq

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2874906#Comment_2874906

The reason the health is too much is because the damage increase nodes don't apply to all champs.. on fights where I could effectively use the beneficial nodes the fights were less than 1 minute

Thats why the health pools felt so big on certain fights