Spider-woman balance update

what do you guys think of the upcoming changes to her kit.

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Sadly , Kabam has stopped caring what the base wants and is scrambling to fill the declining revenue void with more moneygrabs. Lord Shadow pointed out that none of the ridiculous defenders are a problem…the only champs that get attention are the attackers that are used for content that cost Kabam revive and health potion money. We have came to another point in the road here where we just keep letting them do this to us.. or we need another community wide boycott. not one of those small ones till they say SAWWY heres a 7 star titan! and we end it.. we need to send a message. The game will not survive the current state with the community already on edge, and Kabam doing things like this weekly.

I agree with many of the other posts.. I post rarely, play the game religiously.. and spend way more money than I should. I dont have 23 million forum posts because i spend my time IN the game, but my voice is important too. I wont go into my spending totals but its got to be in the 8-10 thousand range yearly. Im just not having a good time anymore and feel sick spending, where before I used to feel happy supporting Kabam. I think its time for me to pull my money and send it to developers that listen.. that stop lying to me. it aint much, but we need to do this together.

Owlkit

I’ve played this game for years, spent WAY too much on it, and post infrequently.

I try to praise good decisions and call out really bad ones.

I just saw Spider-Woman is getting nerfed, initially I was really irritated, she was my planned next Rank 4. But now I’m just bummed. It’s such an odd decision in the current stage of the game.
I was thinking of severely reducing my spending and now with this decision to nerf SW, it has pushed me over the edge. I’m done making big purchases, Maybe small ones too.
Kabam needs to “Read the Room” people aren’t happy with the game, I mean like REALLY not happy. Connectivity issues, the latest EQ, everything being a money grab, whatever this new forums is (I hate it) and now a surprising nerf - with a bizarre easily picked apart explanation (we wanted 3.5 defense, but it is more than we wanted, it’s inane, then lessen the strength of the next defenders you have coming out not the one people have invested in!).
Kabam must of known how badly this decision was going to be received. Yet they did it.
My old alliance fizzled because people were done. And this Spider-Woman nerf has gotten A LOT of my new alliance angry.

Remember when they nerfed Cull and Namor for the “good of the game”? Now they buffed Cull up again and Namor is Arena fodder.

I’ve always said I think Kabam will do the right thing. But with all the missteps lately and purposely adding this very poorly timed unnecessary announcement, I’m definite starting to doubt their decision making structures. I’m not sure they are going to fix this one.

So no more spending money, that’s an easy decision.

But I don’t want to get irritated by this game anymore, the purpose is to have fun, which I can honestly say, I don’t think I am having as much fun as I used to, so maybe it’s time to start phasing it out. That’s really why I’m bummed.

JhonST33

Let be honest, anybody has died vs her due to ensare what makes her a an annoying degdner is the fumble debuff, I'm agree that she is more than a 3.5 ratting defender, but is not for ensare.

JhonST33

Let's be honest, anybody has died vs her due to ensare debuff, what makes her a an annoying defender is the fumble debuff, I'm agree that she is more than a 3.5 ratting defender, but is not for ensare, how have said in other posts if she is so works as intented in attack just changue her defensive abilities.

Just2310

this is awful, I just brought her to r4 over silk.

smy168

Haha, not surprised, really glad I don't spend anymore…Ensnare is a buff, its a rare buff not unlike NeuroShock….and Pursuit is there these days as a counter so I'm not understanding why this is being done.

Easier for coders to remove the whole than put in the effort to just remove from defense I guess.

Rebalance team has not made any changes lately so maybe they need to show a little value to as a division in the company…?

meh, this is a L, not the right decision, I moved her to R4 on my main and R3 on my alt not realizing that I'm here to play the game and be a "game tester" for Kabam.

pretty bad move.

Peace

thgr8houdini

Yeah, this is pretty painful. I mean, it's a big change to what she was able to do. It makes it tough to want to chase new characters and get excited when you pull them when things like this happen. Saying she is too good on defense and removing something people use all the time on offense with her…not cool. I was super excited to get her, awakened her, took her to max sig, ranked her up, etc. I'm sure there are a lot of players out there who are just as unhappy…

Pirate_bae123

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2880324#Comment_2880324

You would think that's logic. But remember you are talking about kabam.

Pirate_bae123

Logic. Change the defender rating not the kit.

Pirate_bae123

Lol. Trying not to release too many defenders. Joke of the millennium.

Pirate_bae123

High evo is supposed to be 5/5 but is no where near. I hope we can expect a defensive buff. I paid for it. like I paid for Spider Woman. Unhappy whale.

Woodchuck

I don’t personally want the rank down tickets, I just want them to leave her alone she’s fine the way she is, I took her to rank 4 mostly to counter enchantress. I almost quit when they “fixed” (nerfed) moleman but I may actually do it if they go through with this bs!! As it is I’m not doing the dumb ass eq now, and all the hard defenders out now makes me almost hate the game. I can honestly say that if it wasn’t for me really liking my alliance I’d already have deleted this game, they are about the only thing holding me to it.

Pirate_bae123

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2880823#Comment_2880823

Yup I'm not doing the dumb ass EQ either.

Pirate_bae123

If I don't see some great changes very soon i will quit for good.

Notorious222

I turned off my summoner Sigil permanently because of the last month of what they have done. Congrats I can back after 7 years and had a lot of fun in the Summer and you absolutely ruined the fun the last few weeks. Should have known after leaving at 12.0.

You need to work hard to earn a dollar like everyone else, don’t piss on me and tell me it’s raining.

Notorious222

I turned off my summoner Sigil permanently because of the last month of what they have done. Congrats, I came back after 7 years and had a lot of fun in the Summer and you absolutely ruined the fun the last few weeks. Should have known after leaving at 12.0.

You need to work hard to earn a dollar like everyone else, don’t piss on me and tell me it’s raining.

Usagicassidy

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2880423#Comment_2880423

Well, no tune DOWNS.

A LOT of champions need rebalancing tune-ups.

Paul_Rudd

they need to walk back this nerf and make it purely for defense, keep ensnare for offense

Deacon

i hate the Fumble more than i do Ensnare lol … but yep this still doesn't do much for community sentiment or morale.

startropics

There's a ton of much stronger defenders that were never touched, yet a champ that was never complained about defensively gets nerfed??

If it really was about defense you can simply change the description, but we all know this is an offensive nerf disguised as a defensive one.

This would go so much better if you were upfront about this and said yeah she's too strong on attack and we don't like that.

Either replace ensnare with a pursuit or just be honest.

K9Butt

who remembers the 12.0 patch? Raise your hand… the only thing Kabam understands is money .
boycott, boycott, boycott.
I’ve spent enuf to buy a house over the past 10 years. I’ll go FTP as of now!
boycott, boycott, boycott

JakiaCapri

Terrible!! The “too many strong defenders” cop out to nerf a champ many like myself who ranked for their ensnare for offense! Don’t do this!!

Slonerko

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2880337#Comment_2880337

My guess is that this was mostly a data-driven decision. (I work a lot with data, so I hope this is an insightful perspective and worthy of consideration.) Here's what Kabam said:

"…Spider-Woman has been more of a menace than we wanted for her Defender Champion Attribute being a 3.5 out of 5…"

A lot of players are pointing out that there are far worse defenders in the game, and they're not wrong. As stated in the quoted post, there is Serpent, Bullseye, Onslaught, and mentioned elsewhere Dark Phoenix: these are top-tier nightmare defenders that, if you play competitively, either force you to seek out and rank counters, or you ban them outright.

Spider-Woman is formidable, but she isn't that kind of a threat. I suppose that she belongs to the next level category of defenders which are extremely effective, but that highly skilled players might take on without a specific counter. These are champs like Zola and Arcade and Dust: champs that punish you badly when you make a mistake, but you can still take them down sometimes or at least have a decent showing even if you don't have an ideal counter. I assume that 1. these champs are very frequently banned in BG, and 2. rack up numerous wins when they're not banned, because they're such a pain to face.

Spider-Woman is probably the queen of that category of defender. If you let Zola rack up ESP charges, or if you let Arcade activate his autoblock, you're eating a combo. Spider-Woman is different because if she puts power-stings on you, it's up to you to not throw a special. So players think they can avoid the damage, and sometimes they're right. The problem is their damage is crippled and they're probably going to lose a Battlegrounds match unless they can recover (they usually can't). Savvy players quickly figured out how brutal the fumble/power sting combo is, so Spider-Woman is a very strong candidate for a ban in a way that Onslaught, Serpent, and Bullseye aren't because, as nasty as they are, everyone brings Jack or Bastion, Kushala or America, Sinister or Okoye, etc. And when she's not banned, good luck with that fumble/SP1! I'm assuming her ban and win % in Battlegrounds is crazy high.

Personally, rather than see her nerfed, I would have recommended addressing her defensive dominance by introducing more effective counters. One solid new skill champ that can work around fumble and maybe a reworked champ that is to Spider-Woman what Cull is to Zola (Hawkeye? Karnak?), and I think her win % and ban % drop to a more reasonable level. I like that solution because it gives players something worthy to pursue in the game or maybe makes them happier about a champ they might not want to use otherwise, rather than take away a piece of something that they've already invested in.

(Full disclosure: I have an R4 Spider-Woman and I love her ensnare.)

skylight03

I would have recommended addressing her defensive dominance by introducing more effective counters.

This is what I also said. Since Kabam's champ strategy now is introducing a defender and then their counter later. Just do it for Spider-Woman even though you didn't intend to in the beginning. Keep her as is.

Aaronxz

Can’t Kabam release a fully tested and finished character? Don’t they know their own game? Don’t they realize the impact of their characters? People are spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars to get them on release, only for Kabam to keep making random changes left and right. It’s ridiculous, they’ve already run out the community’s patience.

We’ve been asking for adjustments to make the game better, but u keep ignoring the community. You’re destroying the game, that’s why the revenue is dropping. Is the end near? Everything seems to indicate yes. LOL. All because of your greed, it seems like there are no capable or professional people behind directing the game. It’s falling apart and doesn’t seem to be heading in a good direction.

Kiptonade

any game developers able to confirm how easily it would be to turn off ensure on defence only? I read the update and thought it just sounded like the laziest option was to take it out of her kit to avoid having program the abilities to trigger only in defence. In either case it’s a terrible decision. Hard to imagine the Mod who used to come on here with pages of updates would’ve signed this off? Is he on holiday?

krystolix

Wasn't making them money on offense. So they acted in the best interest of the company. Lol

Bloodshed87

Thank you Kabam i just ranked up Spider Woman to R4. Another big L, but as always Kabam won't really listen.

As mentioned by several people before it would be a good idea to leave ensare untouched in offense. Not that difficult, right? Oh wait…

Legendrv

i feel bad for people who rank 4 her and max sig ,

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2880880#Comment_2880880

The first part is factually wrong, she is nothing like Dust and Arcade you can delete those without counters. Spider Woman on the other hand, if you don't have anything to shut down that evade you are 100% losing that round no matter how skilled you are, so no she is more in the Serpent/Bullseye realm than she is in the Arcade/Dust. Here's the best way to put it: Arcade and Dust 3.5/5, Spider Woman 4.5/5.

As for the counters part, we are literally getting a hard counter with Mr. Knight. That still doesn't change the fact that she is overperforming on defense because she is not a 3.5/5 she's 4.5/5 easily, and for that to go down to 3.5 they need to delete that stupid fumble not her ensnare which has barely any effects when on defense.