Thoughts on the super skrull buff

Im about as experienced a super skrull player as you can get and im really liking it. The one thing that's surprising is that i think the buff has a bigger impact for people that arent used to playing him than it probably does for people that are, its basically removing a lot of the rigidity from his kit to make his damage more accessible so that is probably how it should feel, but it really does highlight to me that he was already good it just took a lot of getting used to.

The changes to the falter and energy Vulnerability are probably the biggest thing honestly, you can basically keep one of them up the entire fight now and thays huge for his damage, though the change in timing is throwing me off a little haha.

Refreshing the undermine and vigilance on his sp1 is really nice but unless you need both it kinda screws up his rotation to try and keep them up. Imo you still want to be building armour first, converting to fury during the first cosmic overload and then converting back to armour when the next one starts, but if you absolutely need both effects its probably fairly easy to keep them up as long as you sacrifice his damage.

The new buff thresholds are good, but as I say I think anyone used to playing him will barely notice a difference because you basically play him the exact same way just with more room for error. I did manage to get 6 fury and 6 armour going into a cosmic overload once and being unnlockable with nova fists feels incredible but I really doubt its gonna be the ideal way to play him. The fact that it's possible is cool but it honestly makes him require a lot more focus and maths than he ever did before so I wouldn't recommend it.

He still feels like he needs pretty high sig to be played perfectly, but he has way more room for error now which is probably about what he needed. I still think he should be able to store the effects of his converted buffs during cosmic overload because as I've said many many times, if you have furies active during cosmic overload you're probably playing him wrong, but this is about as big a buff as I expected.

His ideal rotation imo is still build 5 armour, use sp2 right before overload ends to convert to fury, build furies to enter another cosmic overload with nova fists, then use sp1 immediately to convert the fury to armour and use sp2 right before overload ends, then just repeat until they're dead. I imagine he'll be nice with some of the new energy penetration relics coming this patch because all of his damage is from those incinerates and then becoming nova flame against tech when awakened is pretty huge for him. Still would have liked some armour break or pulverise but I won't be too picky.

Tldr: he will feel basically the same to anyone that knew how to play him well but will be a lot easier for anyone that hasn't played to get the hang of.

Comments

EdisonLaw

I tried playing him, he seems to be smoother than pre-buff overall, but his rotation doesn't seem to be too ideal vs stun immunity matchups, or is there another rotation?

Herbal_Taxman

Glad the buff is working out for you. Your write up reminds me why I never played him in the first place. Seems like a lot of work.

BigPoppaCBONE

The "ideal rotation" seems like a lot of hoops to jump through. Maybe in practice, it lines up nicely with minimal pacing and clock-watching, but it reads like "I ain't doing all that. Sit back down, Super-Skrull".

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885504#Comment_2885504

I see how stun immunity would completely stop him? You don't need to parry you can just take a blocked hit if you need to, that said I'm sure you could play him by just building furies and skipping the armor up at the start but you'd need to we've an sp1 and 2 into your first rotation which could be a little tight

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885520#Comment_2885520

Whichis fine, he's a champion that requires a lot of getting used to and won't be for everyone, I'm merely talking about what hes actually capable of

ItsClobberinTime

Any counter arguments to this?

https://youtu.be/0LfEiiWsL7A?si=5WBK6EtDnVSoGZmG

Cause I agree with most of the stuff he said, why would you want to use him if there's nothing to help him deal with a lot or the current problematic defenders, a pulverize or armor break definitely would've been useful. Times out against Red Skull, not the best one for Zola either can do it but there are better options, can't do Solvarch, probably will struggle against FAM, he can cook Peni and Arcade but that's about it. I don't know, seems to me like they could've and should've done a little more, damage doesn't look nearly as impressive as they made it sound I mean that Red Skull fight which is a BGs simulation took like three sp2 rotations that's just terrible.

Ragnaruk5178

as a 7 star his rotation in bgs should be decently fast. He seems quite goodwith a nice nice amount of utility. Good for you @WednesdayLength

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885690#Comment_2885690

That was a horrible video and Nick one was much better and also show more fights,also thats a semi defender 6* Ascend punching down a R4 defender,of course you gonna have to punch down for a long time specialy when Trap was playing poorly

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885707#Comment_2885707

Not only did Nick use a 6* maxed as well but it was just as bad of a video, all the fights he showcased were long so I'm gonna ask once again and if you don't have any actual arguments just don't argue lol where would you even use him if he can't deal with armor or has a passive stun? The only relatively quick fights will be Arcade and Peni, absolutely no other reason to use him other than those two and those two aren't even that bad on defense anymore.

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885719#Comment_2885719

"Not only did Nick use a 6* maxed as well but it was just as bad of a video"

Trap uses a 6 stars and plays poorly 3 fights, Nick show 6 fights and even gives more detail on the fights and what the character could do

You don't look at a 4:40 video mostly trashing a character while playing poorly and compares to a almost 9 minutes video showing the same fights and more and doing better and say it's the same thing

"if you don't have any actual arguments just don't argue lol where would you even use him if he can't deal with armor or has a passive stun?"

Your argument was showing a poor gameplay video with 3 fights and 1 being realm of legends, My argument is a video with double of fights with a guy playing better and one of the fights ain't even tech and he still does well

Where to use him? Nodes that require buffs,power gain,Miss counter,Auto block counter, Incinarate,energy damage,good resistence,easy acess to damage and Immunity to shock and Incinarate like Biohazard that we have some this war map

im not gonna come here and say his great or as good on attack as he is as a defender but if you want to use someone else video at least make sure the person in the video knows what they're doing because thats not the case with traps video, He even says Super Skrull got worst than before that clearly ins't true

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885719#Comment_2885719

If you want more argument heres the proof that video is complete **** and for this "The only relatively quick fights will be Arcade and Peni, absolutely no other reason to use him other than those two"

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Peni time

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Modok time

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Fantman time

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Even the Red Skull fight Nike used 3 special 2 and finished even tought he lost his Ramp while Traps used 3 and still manage to not do good we don't even see his time because of his camera

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885731#Comment_2885731

I said any counter arguments to what he says in the video not how he played. Let me spell it out for you I guess, he makes the claim that he will hardly be useful in BGs because he can't really take most meta relevant defenders all too well, at least not better than the actual counters which are already staples in nearly every deck in GC, how can you possibly disagree with that?

Ahh I see, so useless for BGs only useful for AW, thanks that's all I wanted to confirm. Glad you agreed then

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885733#Comment_2885733

There are actual hard counters to every single one of those that do it faster, making up space in a deck just for him is gonna be hard. Serpent Thanos Karolina Dark Phoenix Maestro Cull Galan Medusa Venom are all current staples 90% of the time, would I run Super Skrull over any of these? Absolutely not lol so unless we get multiple safeguard metas in a row I don't see why anyone would be using this guy unless their deck is very small and he's one of their only cosmics.

If it wasn't clear enough, yes I'm talking BGs strictly couldn't care less about the rest of the game modes where time doesn't matter as much because once you take the time factor out, nearly every champ released withing the last four years slaps.

peixemacaco

MidSkrull nobody cares on Battlegrounds

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885736#Comment_2885736

"There are actual hard counters to every single one of those that do it faster, making up space in a deck just for him is gonna be hard. Serpent Thanos Karolina Dark Phoenix Maestro Cull Galan Medusa Venom are all current staples 90% of the time"

The point ins't if his better than other but what he can do on his own,at any point i said he was great i said he was good and my whole argument is showing why traps video is not a good argument,and i mentioned Nick video that you said that is just as bad and that the only good times where Peni and arcade,i go to the video and bring screenshots denying what you're saying and once again showing why traps video is a horrible argument,not just because there are better options that he can't do good by his own

Also why Venom and not Scream? someone who's better attacker than both and is better character in general

"If it wasn't clear enough, yes I'm talking BGs strictly couldn't care less about the rest of the game modes where time doesn't matter as much because once you take the time factor out, nearly every champ released withing the last four years slaps."

Yes i know what you are talking and still wrong and horrible argument, Nick video show he can still do things and 7* would be fairly faster, once again i showed Super Skrull doing good times against some defenders,also Super Skrull is also a good defender that without a counter can screw you the same way high evolutionary can and doesn't matter if his not 5/5, a 3.5/5 staller can still give you a win

Since the beginning the point was that Trap video was a horrible argument and that Super Skrull can be good and Nick show that he is, he can be good attacker sometimes, he can be good defender and doesn't matter if exist better options because as long he can do his job properly thats what matters, your draft ain't always gonna favor you and thats why is good to have

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885750#Comment_2885750

I just told you his gameplay isn't the argument it's the things he said, there are way too many strong cosmics for Super Skrull to have any impact in BGs in the higher tiers.

I didn't say he sucks for every fight other than Peni and Arcade, I said those would he his only target matchups where he would outshine most of the other cosmics but overall he can't handle the hardest tech defenders better than any of the staples I mentioned which is true, at least if once again you play BGs in the higher tiers.

Scream just slipped my mind, she is up there too.

What do you mean it doesn't matter if there are better options have you ever played BGs up here in Quantum-Mysterium? It matters waaay more than you think lol when you get up here one day you'll see. If he is getting outshined by not one but multiple attackers that kinda kills any chance for him to be relevant unless you play in the lower tiers I'm BGs which I'd assume you do seeing how you're absolutely clueless on this specific matter. I'm not saying he's bad, I'm simply saying he's not good enough to compete with the rest if you're playing BGs in the higher tiers which personally I am and that's the point Trappy made since he's a Celestial player himself too, Skrull is good but not good enough for higher tiers.

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885752#Comment_2885752

"I just told you this gameplay isn't the argument it's the things he said, there are way too many strong cosmics for Super Skrull to have any impact in BGs, and he's not the best attacker either."

He doesn't need to,we don't need meta changers we just need him to do better than before he now can,not every character needs to be super relevant, "Hes not the best attacker either" No ****, it's not like im saying for the third that his good attacker for some matchs,ME SAYING THAT FOR THE THIRD TIME,the guy who's defending Super Skrull

"didn't say he sucks for every fight other than Peni and Arcade, I said those would he his only target matchups where he would outshine most of the other cosmics but overall he can't handle the hardest tech defender better than any of the staples I mentioned which is true."

never said he was great attacker and the point was never about if there is other options but what he can do on his own,and you said this some comments ago

"The only relatively quick fights will be Arcade and Peni, absolutely no other reason to use him other than those two and those two aren't even that bad on defense anymore."

That I immediately denied it showing pictures of him fighting Modok and Fant as good as he was fighting Peni and Arcade, another thing you said "probably will struggle against FAM" at the beginning when posted traps video,once again proven false

"What do you mean it doesn't matter if there are better options have you ever played BGs up here in Quantum-Mysterium? It matters waaay more than you think lol when you get up here one day you'll see. If he is getting outshined by not one but multiple attackers that kinda kills any chance for him to be relevant unless you play in the lower tiers I'm BGs which I'd assume you do seeing how your absolutely clueless on this specific matter. I'm not doing he's good, I'm simply saying he's not good enough to competr with the rest if you're playing BGs in the higher tiers which personally I am."

You know exacly what i mean when i say it doesn't matter if there are better options,you won't always draft the best option but if you can get a good option that still enough, You still have people using Diablo, Purgatory, Isophyne and Sathra and they are not the best cosmic counters but they are good and can do ther Job, Super Skrull doesn't need to be in everyone deck or be a great defender you always want to pick,he needs to be good attacker in some situations and a good defender that he is, worst than the Top 3 cosmic defenders doesn't equal being horrible defender, Medusa solo defensive threat is her Awakening and sometimes she is put on defense and take names and thats ok,you don't need to be top defender or top attacker you just need to be good

"I'm not doing he's good, I'm simply saying he's not good enough to competr with the rest if you're playing BGs in the higher tiers which personally I am." He doesn't need to be better or equal to some defenders on that level,his just good and enough for some matchs and thats completly fine

I have seen people saying High Evolutionary was trash but i also saw people on the same level having problems with him because they din't had a counter, 3.5/5 still can be a good defensive threat and thats all he needs to be,he already was good defender before when 6* where relevant soo why the 7* version would be useless? He wouldn't,he wouldn't be useless attacker or defender he would be good and thats It,thats all it needs to

GilbertoJunior

You gonna come back and see this whole essay argument and you gonna have 2 options,keep trying to prove yourself right or simply leave the conversation because ain't worth your time

Be right or have peace? the choice is yours

CheeseMaster482

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885761#Comment_2885761

You're arguing with the same guy that said Rhino was better off not having crits in his buff.

Kabam (Osaurus) Rex

From a personal standpoint, just to comment a bit on the showcase/meta side in here - I think expecting a 6 Star to be game changing in Battlegrounds against highly ranked 7 Stars is a bit of a pipe dream.

If Skrull came out swinging immediately and made a genuine impact as a 6 Star, then he'd likely be a bit too cracked to be released as a 7 Star. That being said, he is only a 6 Star right now, so I don't fault anyone for judging him in the only way applicable at the moment hahaha

I don't think it's too much of a spoiler to say he will be a 7 Star eventually, and I think he'll see some solid play there once he is. I didn't love him much in the first stages of my testing, but I was a big fan by the end.

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885765#Comment_2885765

Din't even notice It was Clobberin because i usually recognize people by ther profile but forgot he always changes his

He had a point about Onslaught Neuroshocks and Sinister Regen,but even then the reason he counters Sinister ins't even the no Crit but the Bleed accuracy reduction that stops his bleeds from stacking

he would be good option against 2 mutant defenders but he would still lose damage on other match ups against mystics class since Trauma requires crits for it's full potential, And damage ins't the solo problem with Rhino anymore

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885765#Comment_2885765

If you had a dime for every single time you take something out of context to try to sound smart you'd be rich swiss cheese, I said increase the trauma potency instead, double it triple it doesn't matter whole point is more trauma = more damage in which case he doesn't need to crits amymore, if you even know what trauma does, you probably don't

peixemacaco

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885768#Comment_2885768

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ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885761#Comment_2885761

I'm not going to reply to that essay one by one because we clearly won't agree on some things so I'm just going to say this and try to shorten it as much as possible, if you still disagree with my POV then we just move on ig lol:

He's not bad, he's decent but with the cosmics I mentioned already in game, if you have a big account and you're playing in the higher tiers in BGs there really won't be any space for him in your deck because I don't see him outperforming any of the ones I mentioned on both attack OR defense. He is not a Serpent/Maestro/Dark Phoenix/Thanos level defender and he is not a Thanos/Karolina/Medusa/Galan attacker either. If you have a smaller account and play on the lower tiers sure he'll be decent enough, my whole argument this whole time wasn't that he's complete ass it was that I simply don't see a scenario where having him would benefit me when my opponents are all going to be running the cosmics I just mentioned that ARE better at almost everything he can do as well and most high tier BGs players I've watched so far agree. This could change when he's a 7* like Mike said but based on what I've seen for now, it's really nothing crazy. Again, speaking purely from a BGs high tier standpoint.

CheeseMaster482

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885773#Comment_2885773

Yeah man totally, I guess you can't expect a mysterium player to know that 7 stars scale better than 6 stars. Totally my fault man 😞.

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885780#Comment_2885780

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Yes I'm sure your game knowledge is off the charts, my apologies lmao anyways it's not the damage that's the issue it's his kit overall. Tech kits these days have: either a ton of armor, autoblock or can't be stunned. Super Skrull only deals with one of these and to a certain extent the stun part because of the falter but it won't be as reliable as someone like Cull who can straight up parry non contacts. The other cosmics I mentioned deal with two or even three of them completely and can take other defenders from other classes as well not just techs. Did I spell it out well enough for you to get it or you need me to dumb it down even further?

EdisonLaw

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2885690#Comment_2885690

Obviously a 6* is obviously gonna be slow against 7* rank 3 and rank 4 defenders. You'll see better results when he comes out as a 7 star