7* Kingpin confirmed for Banquet

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The fact that they have to showcase him against Titania and Ant Man is absolutely laughable. Let's be real here this guy's gonna have an impact in war and that's it, there is nothing he does in BGs other skills don't already do better and faster only exceptions will be metas that's supercharge his purity but that's it

EdisonLaw

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900288#Comment_2900288

His purify is still very strong, especially paired with Hood (a meta relevant attacker)

captain_rogers

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900288#Comment_2900288

Sorry but I can't think of any meta bg skill attacker except okoye and crossbones? Maybe cheelith but I'm sure kingpin is faster and chee, shang and nick slow for bgs, moleman idk, hitmonkey is nuke but rarely see him. Maybe stealthy, but he is squishy as well. bullseye, yelena and attuma slow on attack as well.

Kingpin would be good i believe he has good base damage.

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900291#Comment_2900291

KP: Photon, Thing, QS, Ham, Rhino

Zemo: Photon, Spider Woman, Leader, QS, Ham, Rhino

Nick: High Evo, MODOK, QS, Ham, Spider Woman, Overseer

Valk: Thing, Spider Woman, MODOK, High Evo, Photon, Leader

It's not just Okoye and CB, I don't really see how KP could be that strong for BGs when all the skills I just mentioned handle more science defenders faster than KP does. He'll demolish war sure but without something supercharging him like that one meta there's not a lot he can handle, at least not better than the skills we already have. Also, for the Nick and I'm assuming Zemo aren't fast comments that may be true without deep wounds but with max deep wounds not at all, takes roughly 50 secs to take out same rank Spider Woman with either of them.

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900289#Comment_2900289

Yes that's why I said he will be demolishing war, as for the purify it really only helps against the somewhat older meta relevant science defenders, for the newer ones that prevent purify or punish you for having debuffs like Spider Woman that just won't work

altavista

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900288#Comment_2900288

There is an entire game outside of BGs (and AW), so viewing every buff/new champion through that lens is extremely shortsighted.

The announcement literally says "he's dominating every corner of the Battlerealm", not "he's dominating every science defender in Battlegrounds".

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900297#Comment_2900297

I don't know why you always reply with the same dumb comment to anyone who mentions BGs or AW specifically, if you know I'm talking strictly bout BGs and AW which you don't play yourself because you're a casual then cool have fun questing with him lol this argument is completely irrelevant to you in that case. I'm talking from my pov as a BGs and AW focused player, you don't need to state the obvious captain obvious of course he's going to work for solo content, naturally most champs do

Raj154

For those who don't know, KP can nuke onslaught as well. Class disadvantage is a joke for this guy. Yes, he's not suitable for certain matchups. But there are quite a few where he can go bonkers.

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900288#Comment_2900288

You're getting roasted but you're right honestly. He's a good attacker absolutely but unless it's against a defender or a tactic with tons of debuffs hes gonna be very rng reliant and to access his most potent damage you have to avoid going for his daar on the sp1. Hes great but I think theres way better skill attackers in bgs, I think mole man is way more consistent and even jabari panther has more

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900306#Comment_2900306

Oh I don't mind the disagrees lol I'm just gonna laugh when very few people actually have him in their decks because most people are probably going to pick Abs Man. He's still going to be a good attacker but he's not going to be nuking every science defender in 30 secs (other than Photon) like he used to, at that point I'd rather just not pick him at all.

arifin74

How well Abs-Man will do against science attackers in BG ? Assuming people going to pick Abs-Man for defense.

the_eradicator

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900288#Comment_2900288

I don't think he is gonna be as impactful for war. Moleman does it better than him.

He is gonna be more useful in BG than war

But abs man is going be the majority pick.

HuskerCool

Which meta Cosmics is Abs Man going to take?

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900351#Comment_2900351

Glad you asked, answer is: the two worst ones to fight

https://youtu.be/Kh1AMkLj2bk?si=Vycmg2oAPJWLfAyd

https://youtu.be/2LRcc22Idg0?si=mJf7VdRpx3nYT_DF

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900349#Comment_2900349

Ehh I don't know about that KP full synergy team is very strong in AW, stronger than Mole-Man in my opinion.

Regardless I'm definitely picking Abs, way more reach than KP in general.

GK625

I think people are underestimating KP. He is far more than just shrugging debuffs. Each debuff increases his attack and combat power rate. His SP1 has good AAR and his attack can scale really quickly. Plus constant willpower healing. He is going to bang at R4. In any game mode.

I should add that he really has no bad matchups except the handful of mutants who punish shrugging debuffs and a couple science that punish debuffs. He can go outside the class wheel and handle a lot of mutants too. Kind of like how Mr sinister has no real weakness besides robots.

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900356#Comment_2900356

Yes but he doesn’t have access to both at the same time, you either take the aar from the degen or go into overload but you can’t get both at the same time 90% of the time, and if you don’t go into overload get ready for that Inequity to kick in and ruin some of your damage. The damage output isn’t anything too crazy if you don’t get the overload buff so yes, unless it’s a defender or meta with many debuffs he’s not going to be as good as people are pretending he will be. Remember how hard Galan used to dominate? Where is he now lol people love pretending these old 6* Gods will still be Gods in the current meta but they won’t be because Kabam has done a good job at partially neutralizing them. Torch still cooks all mystics but is he still the og nuke that can handle every single defender in game from every single class? No not anymore, KP will be no different but the big difference is Torch doesn’t rely on debuffs to ramp up when he has nova flame active, KP absolutely needs debuffs to purify if you want to finish any fights remotely fast in BGs otherwise get ready for that fight to take a good minute cause Inequity does hurt especially if it’s maxed which in a competitive game mode like BGs almost everyone has.

As for the mutant part, just because it works doesn’t mean it’s viable. With the tech class being so dominant at the moment there’s really no point at all, even Maker with his mid damage would be better for mutants than KP.

Polygon

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900294#Comment_2900294

He'll just be banned in war, even the 6* was banned for a long time in the 7* era due to hazard shift etc

If they dont give KP the iBom treatment in BGs he's going to be a huge bust

GroundedWisdom

KP has stood the test of time. He's solid.

DRagonKNIght27

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900366#Comment_2900366

Bro galan is still a monster, esp in BGs. I see him in many BG decks (including my own) and he is still dominating.

captain_rogers

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900292#Comment_2900292

He still slap against spiderwomen leader though? Even great against high evol if you play around. Swomen inflict lots of debuffs which he can purify, the ones he can't, still increase his damage by a lot, you can spam sp1 andbypass evade. The only science champs he can't directly counter are modok and high evol, which fury or zemo or cheel can't counter either (bullseye and attuma are my fav counters). The only science champs he outright suck against is void.

Also kingpin s regen can't be modified and he kind of bypass inequity, so he is a tanky attacker. And most metas involve some kind of debuffs so he stay relevant imo.

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900386#Comment_2900386

He doesn't slap, he takes a long ass time taking her down compared to the others I mentioned because you can't go for sp2, you have to stick to sp1 spam and even then she can occasionally still evade the defensive aar isn't 100%

Also no, he doesn't bypass Inequity, this is a problem he had even back when he was a 6* and it was one of the main reasons when r3s came out he fell off pretty quickly, he couldn't even punch a rank above because maxed Inequity made him very slow to the point you had to go for two sp2s sometimes to even close out a fight.

A lot of you seem to think KP overall slaps as hard as he did during that purify meta and that won't be the case, a lot of these science defenders he isn't exactly going to be nuking in 20-30 secs he will be exact same speed as some of the other skills we already have in game which is why for me personally, there's very little value in picking him over Abs.

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900378#Comment_2900378

Maybe in VT lol I guarantee you he ain't dominating anything up here in Mysterium and Quantum. There's always the occasional ones but people don't really use him a lot anymore, he doesn't exactly beat some of the other meta relevant cosmics in speed or utility, so he's just another champ these days nowhere near dominating like he was during the 6* era saying he's still a monster is an overstatement

altavista

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900299#Comment_2900299

Tbf, your comments are also obvious, "captain obvious." Welcome to the club!

"Hey, Absorbing Man can handle Mystic defenders, guys. Amazing! And he works outside the class too! What a discovery! Do you know how great atrophy type abilities is against nullify immunes? Bonkers!"

Your same arguments of "Kingpin isn't that good because my OTHER SKILL champion works better for X in BGs" can be used for Absorbing Man. Am I kicking Nico out of my deck? Nope. Am I immediately kicking out Kushala, Spiral, Rintrah, etc? Not really, it might depend on what the meta is. On and on and on.

You can make the case that AbsMan's dual threat nature makes him a good replacement for strictly Offensive Mystic, but …. by your own arguments, "people love pretending these old 6* Gods will still be Gods in the current meta". Is AbsMan still a "god dual threat"? I would argue no, since his defensive value has greatly decreased since people know how to play him. So he is primarily an Offensive Mystic with some defensive potential.

ahmynuts

The brainrot in this thread is unreal

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900356#Comment_2900356

The issue is that unless you're in a high debuff matchup you're not gonna be able to access his damage and his daar because you'll need to use the sp2 to build up rage and get to his fury. He's gonna be a good attacker in a lot of game modes but he's got less consistent damage and less consistent shrug off than mole man without synergies

Graves_3

Nobody commenting on this thread has used kingpin as 7* r4. The number of people just dismissing him as a non threat is astounding. Let’s wait and see what an r4 KP can due once he is released. If you prefer picking up abs man that’s great but without having used either champ, just withhold judgement for now.

HuskerCool

Both champs will hold up just fine

Finalfuryk

Very excited for Kingpin. He is a remarkably fun champ to use.

TotemCorruption

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2900479#Comment_2900479

The 6* KP actually got a lot of play time in that recent BG meta where shrugging off debuffs gives you furies. For me he was ok, but eventually I removed him from my deck and kept other skill champs like Elsa, Shang Chi, Zemo, CB, and NF, several of whom were 6 star versions. Basically, that meta gave me a taste of what a 7R4 KP could do, and while I think he'll be a good attacker, I don't think he'll be like essential or broken or anything.

But also Abs Man, no thanks. I know Nick136 loves him, but that's an acquired taste from a very skilled player. When it comes to Abs Man, the spacing on the short-reach heavy counter, the need to do light intercepts, it's basically a recipe for disaster for casual players. Especially when you consider that other mystics like Nico and Pavitr Spidey basically require no skill to play.