Is domino relic bugged?

Im testing out relics atm, and I was looking at jean w/magneto vs the domino relic. In the one w/domino relic we see 10 neuros ticking for 1035+690=1725. Divide that by ten and you get 172.5 per neuro. Without the relic, 9 neuros tick for 1035+518=1553. Divide that by 9 and you get 172.5 per tick. Per DLLs video on damage math, i understood resistance and resis penetration to both apply towards all damage of a particular type, regardless of if it is a dot, instant damaging effect, or hit dmg. Anyone else notice this? Thoughts?

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Cage33

Shouldve attattached them like this…

WednesdayLength

My understanding is that energy penetration doesnt reduce energy resistance, it ignores an amount of positive energy resistance. Pretty sure they explained it with frankencastle that it won't increase damage against a champion without natural energy resistance, it'll just ignore an amount of positive resistance. I guess its similar to the difference between regen rate reduction and regen reversal, there's a hard limit to what it can do and wont be noticeable unless the opponent has innate resistance

Cage33

That would make sense, but then I tested onslaught. His neuros remain the same with and w/o the relic. But the first hit of the sp1 does different damage (despite the same amount of daunted).

Cage33

so its not like the relic isn't taking effect due to lack of energy resistance

Cage33

Furthermore, while testing dark phoenix with and w/o energy pen (as a secondary perk), i did see a change in the dot from her nova flame.

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901786#Comment_2901786

His Neuros remaining the same with and without would indicate that it was working as I explained no?

Cage33

Yes, but the fact that his special hit does different damage in identical situations contradicts that explanation. So does the impact on DP'S nova flame.

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901791#Comment_2901791

Huh, maybe it's just some weird coding thing with neuroshock specifically?

Cage33

Welcome to the confused club lol

Etjama

As far as I'm aware, the new physical/energy penetration relics only apply to on-hit damage. Not DoT. Which kinda sucks but I have a feeling it's intended.

Cage33

That would explain it nicely, but DP's nova flame changing its dot contradicts that explanation.

Cage33

nNvm. Im an IDIOT. DP's nova damage takes into consideration her ember passives. Its so hard to keep track of all this stuff sometimes. Your explanation makes sense and holds consistent in that case. I admit, its a bummer it doesn't affect dot.

Super_Cretu90

I tested the 6* Domino relic, with energy penetration, and my rank 2 Captain Britain was doing 2566 non critical hit damage with the relic, but only 2336 without the relic. The neuroshock damage was the same, though.

I guess that only base damage is impacted, not dot.

Super_Cretu90

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901807#Comment_2901807

This message displayed after I posted mine. Ha ha!

Cage33

Now to test if phys/energy pen affects instant damaging effects (whiplash burst and phoenix's instant incinerates come to mind). Im hoping it does, as morbius is advertised as pairing well with QS.

Etjama

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901810#Comment_2901810

Please update because I've been curious about that but have been far too lazy to test it haha

Cage33

will do. Won't be for several hours tho

captain_rogers

@Kabam (Osaurus) Rex can we get an answer on this??

Kabam (Osaurus) Rex

The Relic does not impact DOT effects

Cage33

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901823#Comment_2901823

Thanks for clarifying! Any chance you can confirm/deny if it works on instant damaging effects and save me an hour of testing? Lol

Kabam (Osaurus) Rex

Okay, I went and got some more info for you @Cage33

The relic actually does impact DOT and Instant DOT Effects in some rare scenarios…
When there is active Energy Resistance on the Opponent (via base stats, Statcast of their own, etc).
More often than not, this will not come into play, so you won't notice an uptick in Energy Damage in your day-to-day gameplay.

For ON HIT Energy Basic Attacks, it almost* always does, as it also interacts with Armor in this case.
Since all champs have a baseline Armor Value, the Relic generally always does apply to Energy-based Basic Attacks (with a few exceptions, such as Champions with no Armor stats).

Elaborate Champion Attribute Dev Diary breaking down all these interactions seems beneficial, going to see what I can do to make that happen.

Cage33

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2902187#Comment_2902187

Thanks so much! I really appreciate you taking the time to get back to me and the thread in such detail. Happy Thanksgiving!