Hulkling relevance

We all know Hulkling is a monster, but how many meta relevant defenders can his 7 star version take on and best his counterparts in these match ups?

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TotemCorruption

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2905195#Comment_2905195

He's good enough to be in Beroman's deck, and he has like 40+ R4s to choose from.

Anyway, we are all entitled to like the champs we like and avoid the champs we don't.

Even though I have a love/hate relationship with Tigra, for example, I recognize that other players are way better at using her than me, so even though she's pretty mediocre for me, I'm not going to deny that she's elite for other players.

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2905378#Comment_2905378

Wanna bet Hulkling makes it into his deck as well? See that’s what I’m trying to argue here, you said he won’t make it into any decks unless it’s a Quantum player, I disagree with that completely and I’m sure Beroman will be using him too.

Anyways, I didn’t say Galan is bad or that I don’t like him, as a matter of fact he is in my r4 priority list still. I was simply saying that Hulkling is better overall because of the reach and the nuke potential he still has, that 56 sec Jean fight with Galan is probably a 40 sec fight with Hulkling because he doesn’t even need crits to be hitting hard. It’s the same thing with Photon Onslaught etc, he can pull it off in 50-60 secs but he is not pulling it off in 30-40 like Hulkling. If you’re in Mysterium, you know nuke potential matters a lot, and Hulkling still has it against a good chunk of the current meta defenders. Then, there’s also the fact that Galan got a regular Titan crystal release meanwhile Hulkling gets an exclusive event, so going by that alone I think even Kabam knows who the better cosmic is.

TotemCorruption

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2905381#Comment_2905381

Yes, I'm in M2 currently and most people in that tier (including me) are just casuals with good decks, so let's stop pretending like it's some best of the best accomplishment.

For BG deck building, however, which is something I'm only now focusing on with my rank-ups, it really isn't about who's the better overall champ, it's all about purpose.

Galan fills a very different purpose than Hulkling, and has far fewer alternatives for that purpose.

Whereas Hulkling, while very good, fills a purpose and takes matchups that several other very good alternatives already do (and probably better), like Cull and Hyperion and others.

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2905392#Comment_2905392

Then we have very different views on what makes a champ meta relevant, because for me it really all comes down to who can take more matchups in general and that's how I've climbed up to M1 so agree to disagree there.

Also, I would agree with the Hyperion and Cull arguments if it wasn't for the fact that they're both potatoes on defense. Hulkling while not a huge threat as he used to be, will still be a decent trap defender without a counter, and even with some meta mystics like Spiral Pav and Shathra you will have a hard time dismantling him because you basically won't be able to block that often against a 7* Hulkling with block pen stat focus with any of them, and also you won't be stealing any power whatsoever which does slow down all three of them massively. I myself was underestimating Hulkling's power on defense when I first commented on this thread but after some reading, a lot of the current meta relevant mystics don't really handle him all that well, and very few people still run Chavez Werewolf Rintrah and Juggs up here because they're just not that great compared to the rest. So, due to dual threat value I definitely put him above Hyperion still, Cull is debatable cause he is a nuke but overall they will be able to handle almost the exact same matchups just through different means and strategies with the main difference being Cull is a pure attacker while Hulkling can be a solid dual threat (and before you hit me with the "just intercept" Beroman himself made a post about how infuriating intercept metas are due to AI being **** these days, so the whole "just intercept" argument is already out the window because it's currently unreliable and not easy to pull off)

Ragnaruk5178

galan is like the most versatile cosmic bgs attacker there’s not much you can do to stop him apart from the very very few with damage caps and he still works against thanos

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2905411#Comment_2905411

That doesn’t matter as much when Hulkling is close to being just as versatile and nukes 75% of the defenders Galan does but in 30-40 secs. Galan may have some more reach because his damage is hard to shut off but unless there is a very specific meta like safeguard stopping Hulkling or supercharging Galan, Hulkling would win you more rounds than Galan would with some very few exceptions like against Thing and Thanos. If you take each one of these champs: Nick, Sinister, Onslaught, Havok, FAM, Red Skull, Kindred, Photon, Nimrod, Scorpion, KP, Lumatrix, Gentle, Jean, Solvarch, Yondu, High Evo, Spider Woman; and fight every single one of them with Hulkling and Galan, Hulkling is winning that race on every fight except for Nimrod and maybe Solvarch tho that one would probably be a tie. Yes Galan can do Thing Thanos Yelena faster but the truly problematic ones like Dark Phoenix Serpent Nico Enchatress etc neither of them can do so the difference in versatility isn’t as big as you’re making it seem. Meta reliance is also not the greatest example for versatility, how many power burn/drain or armor metas have we had? How many safeguard ones? Not even 35% of all metas since season 1 of BGs, it seems some of you really are forgetting Hulkling was used in practically every single BGs meta without a damage cap back when 6* were relevant, Galan was too but Hulkling was always superior purely because of speed.

Lastly, Galan’s damage can’t be modified so stat focus and statcast do nothing for him, Hulkling with extra crit rating and his own armor pen statcast is going to make him even stronger than he was before, and his damage was already insane without them.

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2905152#Comment_2905152

In bgs without a counter he can be an absolute nightmare

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2905450#Comment_2905450

I honestly kinda agree with this comment now too. Pav Spiral Shathra Nico are the best mystics right now; out of these three, only one does not rely on power steal for her rotation and will be able to block freely without taking any damage. Hulkling was a lot easier to deal with when Chavez and Werewolf were still meta relevant but the meta has shifted so much Hulkling might actually have more defensive potential than he did back then. I mean, Kushala Abs and Nico will still manhandle him of course but you could definitely trap someone with him if they need one of the others for Thanos or Serpent, and fighting Hulkling without a good mystic is a nightmare indeed it's just that a lot of people have forgotten lol even I did initially honestly.

TotemCorruption

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2905418#Comment_2905418

They've been making vastly different types of defenders since the time when 6* Hulkling was in everyone's BG deck.

TotemCorruption

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2905411#Comment_2905411

Yeah, I mean, comparing Galan to Hulkling is pretty dumb. Everyone needs Galan, whereas Hulkling is a great luxury but not necessary since several other champs can do what he does (big yellow numbers).

I mean, Galan is even immune to nullify and fate seal. As a cosmic. It's absurd.

captain_rogers

He is not going to be that good especially compared to attackers like karol dthanos cull etc. I personally would rate even medusa higher that him, she is a very underrated defender and many mystics struggle against her.

But hulkling is definitely not going to be junk, he will be a great general purpose attackers just not a insane champ

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2905500#Comment_2905500

I got to Mysterium 1 just fine without Galan lol neither of them are necessary. I'm just gonna say this tho, Galan got the Cassie release, Hulkling got a whole event.

Yes Cull does have big yellow numbers but he doesn't handle certain defenders like Nick Photon Kindred and while he can nuke some like Onslaught, Hulkling nukes all of them and it's 100% hp guaranteed fight cause all you do is hit on block and they die.

As for your defenders comment, I named exactly 8 modern defenders/dual threats that he can easily handle better or just as well as Galan but not worse. The only difference is that Galan handles those with any sort of damage cap but those you can count in one hand. Then there's the actual problematic ones with unavoidable chip damage like Serpent which neither of them counter. I also completely ignored other champs like Zemo, Chee, Sassy which Galan struggles against while Hulkling nukes because they're not meta anymore but overall the amount of defenders Hulkling handles and nukes is a pretty large one, he just doesn't handle the worst ones but neither does Galan.

https://youtu.be/4nMQDziclqA?si=XdLv4H6NvvMNoyJx

Hulkling nukes 6 out of the 12 defenders on this list (made by another Celestial player since you seem to take their word for everything) in 40 secs or less: Onslaught, Evo, Photon, Solvarch, Jean, Spider Woman. Galan handles all of these too but the only one he's nuking is Solvarch, every other defender in there is a 50-60 sec fight for Galan and for some you can't even play him properly you have to stick to LM intercepts the whole fight.

peixemacaco

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/408008/hulkling-relevance

Loool, Hulkling reigns supreme on BG and you still ask?

Eternal Yes

My everything maxed out is awesome and with a win rate of 9/10

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2905110#Comment_2905110

Now, we went down really deep

The worst villain champion lol

If you cant dex and laugh to Arnim Sp2 you're a turtle

Herbal_Taxman

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2905615#Comment_2905615

Well, at least we know that Hulkling dominates in Bronze II