AW Manipulation
JFerg114
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So is this manipulation at its finest or what? Some are seeing this as a "smart" move. But I think it pretty much unfair game play. If you want build a strong alliance then build one from the bottom up. If you want to be on a Alliance that is in a higher AW tier. Then join one. I really want Kabam to look at this as it will surely be exploited if they look the other way.
https://youtu.be/1ys5r-pPSkg
You decide and always thanks for playing!
https://youtu.be/1ys5r-pPSkgYou decide and always thanks for playing!
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And there lies the rub, eventually! Circumventing the natural progression in lieu of the work others have put in they deservedly should have missed a season if that is where they were as an Alliance. It's manipulation calling it anything other than what it is, essentially is a farce.
Individually yes, collectively as an Alliance no. You can continue to defend them if you want it's manipulation no matter how you try to paint the picture.
so if you were able to join a tier 1 alliance and your previous alliance was tier 6 thats ok but if they join a dead alliance with a tier 4 rating, thats not ok? i don't understand your logic. They have put in the time. imagine all the revives and item use they are saving for people in lower tiers that would have to face their top end champs. besides they would get there sooner or later anyway so does it really matter?
Based on what I see in the video, yes this is manipulation at its finest. It is also completely fair, insofar as I can tell. This is not the same thing as using shell alliances to jump up and down. This is literally thirty players deciding to leave their alliance and join another alliance with higher rating more or less permanently.
Rules should affect conduct not consequence. If I had a second account that was in an alliance and everyone abandoned it a while ago and I was the last one in it, and that alliance had a high war rating, I should be free to recruit people into that alliance advertising that high rating as being a selling point given the new alliance seasons. I cannot see how anyone could "fairly" bar me from doing that. That would be entirely in keeping with how alliances recruit. Mechanically, that seems to be what's happening here. Basically someone in Omni had a second account that owned an alliance with a higher current war rating than Omni, and essentially attempted to recruit all the members of Omni into it, and by vote they succeeded. I don't see how Kabam could ban this practice even if they wanted to without making ad hoc rules targeting specific players without a logical reason.
If a tier 1 alliance recruited me (to be their pet, I guess) today, then come AW season one I would get way more rewards than I would have otherwise. Is that "fair?" I didn't do anything to get those rewards, I just convinced a tier 1 alliance to have me. Should I be rewarded for that? Rhetorical question: the answer is yes, that's how the game works. Is it fair that the members of Omni will get more rewards by jumping to New Omni? The way the game works today, yes that's how alliance wars work.
It is not ok. One individual is not the same as 30 members collectively exploiting the system.
Pls look into this case. Thanks
When they left their previous alliance(s) they were free at that moment to jump en masse to the alliance in question. What you are saying is that you would penalize them for not jumping to the higher war rating alliance in the first place and get better rewards from the start: instead, by creating a new alliance and trying to build up to higher rewards and then deciding to jump to the older alliance later, they were exploiting the system.
One of the prerequisites for calling something a game exploit is usually that the exploit generates higher rewards. You're calling something an exploit that generates lower rewards than the action that is unambiguously legal.
I'm going to vastly oversimplify just to avoid the internal politics of the whole thing. Basically, a bunch of people left a relatively high rated alliance recently and decided to form their own alliance. Ignoring recruiting and such, let's call the original alliance Alpha. They left and formed Beta. Beta is a brand new alliance so of course it starts off in the lowest tiers of AQ and AW, and they were fine with that. But then Kabam announces the new AW system, and the rewards are both very good and highly dependent on which AW tier you were in. Beta's current tier is very low and it would take some time to build up to a high tier. In the meantime, you might be losing out on a lot of AW season rewards.
It occurs to someone in Beta that they have a second account that is parked in an old alliance that still exists, and its old tier is higher than Beta's tier. This old alliance, I will call Gamma, is otherwise empty. The members of Beta take a vote and decide to leave Beta and join Gamma, so in effect everyone in Beta is now in Gamma. Since Gamma has a higher AW tier and rating, they will start the new AW season in a better position.
Some people think this is an exploit, because in one sense Beta magically transformed themselves into Gamma, and instantly boosted its war rating. However, the problem with considering this to be an exploit is the fact that when the members of Beta originally left Alpha, they could have immediately joined Gamma. That was always a possibility. They *chose* to start a new alliance that actually would have a lower reward tier than Gamma, for their own reasons. Had they jumped straight from Alpha to Gamma, no one could reasonably claim that was an exploit. They jumped from one alliance to the other. But since jumping from Alpha to Gamma is not an exploit, I cannot see how jumping from Alpha to Beta to Gamma is an exploit, because taking this path generates no more rewards for the players involved. If rewards were all they cared about, they could have safely and profitably jumped to Gamma. They jumped to Beta because they wanted to start fresh. But the price of starting fresh became much higher with AW seasons. So they decided to jump to Gamma.
In effect, calling this an exploit is tantamount to saying that Gamma can today recruit from Alpha, but it cannot recruit from Beta. It is saying the even more ludicrous thing that if someone in Beta decided to return to Alpha the day before the seasons announcement and someone else in Beta decided to return to Alpha the day after the seasons announcement, if Gamma recruits the first guy from Alpha that's fine, but recruiting the second guy from Alpha would be an exploit.
That's illogical in the extreme.
The new alliance they joined is already ranked into the bracket. It doesn't change anything
Every alliance should start from 0 war rating. Kabam should make the penalty for switching alliance 7 days with no alliance rewards just like AQ with regard to AW.
You do understand that every alliance already starts with zero war rating, and even if Kabam made the penalty for switching alliances a week of no rewards just like AQ that would have essentially zero impact on the people being discussed in this thread, right?