Skill or God tier

Let’s put an end to this petty argument. Skill or having amazing champs? Or both? In order to succeed and progress against the in game content?

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shadow_lurker22

I'm gonna say both skill can get u far but not far enough and most champs are only as good as the player

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Tonedef

Wolvie is at the top of the god-tier for 4*s... x-23 is up there too 🤣 anyway...
Skill means nothing against some opponents, like Modok in AW! Every time I fought him before I got Blade(4*) I got absolutely smashed. First try WITH Blade on the stun immune miniboss node I one shot him easily.

DNA3000

I guess the best answer I can give is to say skill. No matter how strong your roster is, you need at least some skill. But no amount of roster strength alone gets you anywhere really. Skill you need. But the stronger your roster is, the less skill you need to accomplish the same thing. Roster strength is still very important.

Without a mnemonic memory circuit Spock couldn't do jack-squat with his tricorder. But he could make one with stone knives and bear skins. The tools are important, but skill finds a way.

Primmer79

A little of both. People saying they need "x" to get past "y" are usually believers in that its god tier champs. But some of the real god tiers require knowledge of how they work and how to use them.

axelelf_1

I've played with plenty of people that had god tier champs that constantly were the first wiped in aw or aq. The only champ that ever required no skill was pre 12.0 sw. Thor and DS took skill. Even today's god tiers still require skill.

Atticus9090

Love that many players are saying both. Having one over the other won’t help you unless you are able to integrate and make both work in order to progress in game!

LeNoirFaineant

axelelf_1 wrote: »

I've played with plenty of people that had god tier champs that constantly were the first wiped in aw or aq. The only champ that ever required no skill was pre 12.0 sw. Thor and DS took skill. Even today's god tiers still require skill.

Yes! this is the problem with people that buy accounts. They take a short cut and don't go through all the things that make you good at the game. They might have the best roster in the alliance and still get wiped early and often.

thanks4playing

You forgot one option, units/$$.

But I agree that you need both. Skill will get you through a big portion of the game.

But for the competitive, end-game content, you also need certain champs and skill or units/$$$. Let me break this down into 3 areas of the game.

(1) For something like LOL, you need select champs, but this selection is now widening. Here, you might not need skill as much as units/$$$.

(2) For something like top tier AW season (p3 to master), you need select champs and skill (more than units/$$$). The reason for this is b/c you cannot afford to die in AW until maybe the mini or main boss. But this introduces the problem of piloting. You can circumvent your lack of skill here by paying someone to pilot for you. It is unfortunate, but the reality of many of the top tier alliances who do not have the skill to keep up.

(3) For story mode or AQ, you don't really need that much skill or even certain champs. Pretty much anyone should be able to do it. If you can't, then units/$$$ should be sufficient.

Bahamut

Both are necessary. It doesn’t matter if you have the “Holy Trinity” if you’re not good at the game and get rekt by most champs, but it doesn’t matter how good you are at the game if you need to beat 5.4 and your team is KK, AM, Sentry, Carnage and IP.

beyonder8421

You need certain type of champions with very specific features to work around certain contents in the game. Then is up to your skill to use them correctly.

Rol Wolverine is the poster boy of this.

Then you have other opponents that can be beat in many different ways, but even the "easier way" of beating them require skill. Loki against 5.4.6 Ultron classic is one example of this. He can finish that fight very fast, but requires training.

I think beyond skill and champions, you need to know your champs and know which one you need to use for this or that situation.

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Atticus9090

Foxhero007 wrote: »

its all about skill because god tier and demi god tier champions dos not exist, there no such thing in this game.

Are you trying to troll ? Or are you serious.

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Atticus9090

Foxhero007 wrote: »

Atticus9090 wrote: »

Foxhero007 wrote: »

its all about skill because god tier and demi god tier champions dos not exist, there no such thing in this game.

Are you trying to troll ? Or are you serious.

I'm serious

Ok thanks for clarifying. Yikes

Atticus9090

BitterSteel wrote: »

It’s more about skill, I’d say 75% skill, 25% roster. It’s definitely a mixture of both of them, you can only get so far with a good roster, but at some point you’ll come up against content skill won’t get you through like collector.

Saying straight facts. No one can just use skill to defeat the collector, even if you have a full roster of GOD tier champions.

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Blax4ever

It’s the content that creates god Tier Champs. People using 5/50s vs Ice Phoenix burned more resources than those using 4/55. Last month Symbiote Spidey was God Tier vs Killmonger. As someone pointed out no matter how good you are at this game you will die vs the collector the question is how many revives will you have to use.

Sorry but you will burn a lot more revives using Carnage vs some of the content in this game than you would using one of the coveted champs. Those are just facts.

Kennado

Voted both. You'll need skill to succeed in End Game content. You'll also need God Tiers to get you there if that makes sense.

chev327fox

Both for most... Skill for a very small group of super skilled players (but guys you super good players are the exception... not the rule

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but yeah skill can beat everything with a 2*... but most of us will never have this kind of skill at this game. For most of us it is amazing champs and decent skill.to get by.

Atticus9090

I honestly love all the opinions being voiced out on this thread. Love how we’re all showing valid points and reasons as to why we picked what we picked

Primmer79

Blax4ever wrote: »

It’s the content that creates god Tier Champs. People using 5/50s vs Ice Phoenix burned more resources than those using 4/55. Last month Symbiote Spidey was God Tier vs Killmonger. As someone pointed out no matter how good you are at this game you will die vs the collector the question is how many revives will you have to use.

Sorry but you will burn a lot more revives using Carnage vs some of the content in this game than you would using one of the coveted champs. Those are just facts.

last month, sym spidey, thor, medusa, literally any champ with armor break was god tier. thats a hell of a big god tier to "need" to beat killmonger.

Shrimkins

I think it depends what you deem "successful"

For me personally my goal is always to complete the hardest content using as few items as possible. This would include LoL, AW, AQ, A5, ect. Over a long stretch of time, god tier champs really help reduce item usage.

I would consider myself a highly skilled player and I was able to 100% A5 with 1 "god tier" r4 5*. Was I able to overcome the challenges with skill? Of course. Did I have to dump a ton of items on the collector? Yes of course.

To pretend that god tier champs don't make things easier is stupid, but to pretend content can't be accomplished without god tier champs is just ignorant. Almost everything can be done in this game without god tier.

colbyscipio987

I mostly lean towards skill, but somethings is absolutely ridiculous

Blax4ever

@Primmer79

I was using Symbiote Spidey as an example of a champ many wouldn’t normally use because he’s not considered God Tier but last months event quest gave people who have Symbiote Spidey and easy Battle vs a tough champ in Killmonger maybe you missed the point. It’s the CONTENT that makes the champs “God Tier”

Primmer79

Blax4ever wrote: »

@Primmer79

I was using Symbiote Spidey as an example of a champ many wouldn’t normally use because he’s not considered God Tier but last months event quest gave people who have Symbiote Spidey and easy Battle vs a tough champ in Killmonger maybe you missed the point. It’s the CONTENT that makes the champs “God Tier”

I didn't miss the point. Maybe you missed my point. By saying a lesser known/used/thought of champ 'became' god tier for a month, then the general term "god tier" needed to progress doesn't exist. Instead of saying 20 god tier champs, now you're saying 80% of champs are useful at some point, therefore, its a balance of skill and god tiers needed. the skill to be able to use varying champs, the knowledge on how to use all the different ones, etc.

Just advocating its a little of both.

whaler213

as someone who is skillful but definitely not a top tier player I will say every time I got a new set of god tier champs or my roster generally improved (usually for me its happened in large groupings) magically my "skill" goes up another few levels and content that used to be difficult is now insanely easy. so its definitely a mix of both

Wildpants

It's more skill than champions. No matter what champion you get, if you haven't got the skill you won't get anywhere. But skill alone can only get you to a certain distance. You can't beat Magik AW boss with 5/65 Spider Gwen regardless of your skill. So it's both, but skill comes first.

Blax4ever

Primmer79 wrote: »

Blax4ever wrote: »

@Primmer79

I was using Symbiote Spidey as an example of a champ many wouldn’t normally use because he’s not considered God Tier but last months event quest gave people who have Symbiote Spidey and easy Battle vs a tough champ in Killmonger maybe you missed the point. It’s the CONTENT that makes the champs “God Tier”

@Primmer79

Let me try this again, when players say there are no God Tier Champs or Trash Champs what they are saying is that CONTENT dictates which Champs to use. Kabam can change the CONTENT anytime they want and what was Trash then becomes God Tier and vice versa.

As someone said in a post if Kabam introduced a random node that processed Bleed Reflect where the node reflected bleed stacks on opponents some of the God Tier Champs would become trash instantly. nothing about anyone’s skill would matter, bring a bleed champ and you die.

If we can persuade Kabam to develop Content that highlights different champs at different times it would be good for the community as a whole and we could end these debates about God Tier and who isn’

Primmer79

@Blax4ever that was going to be a weird quote error so I just deleted it and will just tag you.

I'm trying to understand your train of thought a little more. You're saying the game depends more on having god-tier champs than skill does. i.e. You could have a **** maxed 5*, and the god tier 4* would be more helpful in clearing content. Maybe not always, but sometimes. Your post though was about "god tier" champs changing depending on content. I can absolutely agree with that and be on board with it. But then you say we need to convince kabam to develop content that would highlight different champs. I guess this is what I'm stuck on now. "different champs become god tier" then "we need to convince kabam to use other champs."

what I was saying, was, to your original post, if "god tier" changes, the constant is the player's skill. Some god tiers, (I would like to consider GR and Dr. Voodoo for this post) I would argue takes knowledge and skill and understand and use effectively, as well as sometimes understanding why a god tier becomes a god tier. If I told a noob that sym spidey was god tier, well, what makes him god tier? the ability to armor break and understanding why armor break works on him.

I would argue the only ever true god tier that didn't have a content restriction was pre 12.0 SW and I'm slightly happy she's gone, but miss her at the same time. Kind of like a crazy ex.

P.S. I like having these convo's. great info and discussion for everyone