the modok lab is not worth it

unnecessary rewards, to great difficulties with bad and super unfair us, even throwing the dice to reverse, should make this laboratory more reasonable or increase the rewards, this event is getting useless.

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DaMunk

chev327fox wrote: »

DaMunk wrote: »

I'm usually one of the first to criticize kabam but these events are great. Yeah they can be a challenge especially for some people but it's free. If you can't complete a level then don't. Just do what you can for free rewards.

Again... I can walk through Hard mode. No challenge at all for my 4/40's (which is fine). But Expert is way out of my league (the gap is insane)... what I am personally saying is it would be nice for us 4/40 players to have a difficulty between them (nothing wrong with another mission for more rewards right? who would anyone in their right mind be against an idea that gets us more fights and more rewards and helps a huge section of the player base).

Anyways just wanted to point this out. Most are NOT asking for Expert to be easier... they are asking/suggesting for a mode for them (and it would be in between Hard and Expert IMO).

But the truth is this gap is there for a reason so it probably won't change.

I get your point. There is a big jump in difficulty and definitely wouldn't be opposed to adding a extra level. Kabam likes to always have something a little out of reach, makes sense from a business standpoint. It forces people to spend. Still think the event is great.

GroundedWisdom

BitterSteel wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LoPresti wrote: »

DaMunk wrote: »

Just do what you can for free rewards.

The rewards are not 'free', you pay with your time.

This is what happens often on here. People raise valid concerns and offer their feedback, and it's brushed off as if people aren't skilled enough and want Rewards handed to them. Only many are skilled enough and still have an issue with the amount the difficulty has increased because it's too far for an Event of this type. The bottom line is people who have no issue with it want to discredit those who do. Not all concerns of difficulty are coming because people aren't equipped or don't want to apply themselves. It's amped up a bit too much for an Event you do every 12 hours for a month. Just because there are a few who breeze through it doesn't mean the feedback is any less valid. Everytime someone has a concern about the challenge level, there's always a committee that acts like people just aren't good enough. It's just belittling.

So I’m not allowed to disagree and question your feedback?

In that case, I don’t like the labyrinth of legends because it’s too difficult and the rewards aren’t in proportion to my effort. It’s not fair and the difficulty should be reduced so I can complete each fight in 100 hits. If you don’t like my feedback then you aren’t allowed to tell me my roster isn’t good enough or I need to improve my skills.

I don't tell people their Roster isn't good enough. I don't presume to know what people are working with and what their level of ability is based on the fact that they find a particular aspect of content to be excessive. You've said you have no issues with it repeatedly. At this point you're just arguing for the sake of being contradictory.

beyonder8421

SomeoneElse wrote: »

It’s not worth it because it’s not fun. Games are not supposed to feel like a chore. It doesn’t matter that it doesn’t cost any energy. The randomizer is a horrible idea. This game has randomizers everywhere. It feels like a crutch they use because they can’t come up with better ideas. On top of that, the randomness is very poor. I keep rolling degens. A truly random system would make it very unlikely to happen so often. I hope they never bring this terrible mode back.

I think you are playing the wrong game. After 3 years, I assure you that to get anything you need to do chores. This a very time consuming game that I wouldn't recommend to anyone. If you are new enough here, consider having a healthy life instead.
If you are already hooked, well, just remember it is your choice to do anything in this game. If the labs feel like a chore, don't do them, you can get shards any other way. I personally do not like the labs, feels a bit rigged in the way the randomizer picks the debuffs. But every now and then, I get to fight an OG Vision with "Gambler's Fate" and his random ability is... power lock applied to himself. That was a relief.

My main concern right now is getting gold, and I cannot really get gold without spending my life in arenas. (Have to rank 5 a 5 star). That feels like a chore and unlike the labs, I do not have another choice if I want to rank up.

Spera

@GroundedWisdom & @BitterSteel ,can you please stop going at each other, both made a point .. we don't need to keep reading it over and over

,thanks

GroundedWisdom

BitterSteel wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LoPresti wrote: »

DaMunk wrote: »

Just do what you can for free rewards.

The rewards are not 'free', you pay with your time.

This is what happens often on here. People raise valid concerns and offer their feedback, and it's brushed off as if people aren't skilled enough and want Rewards handed to them. Only many are skilled enough and still have an issue with the amount the difficulty has increased because it's too far for an Event of this type. The bottom line is people who have no issue with it want to discredit those who do. Not all concerns of difficulty are coming because people aren't equipped or don't want to apply themselves. It's amped up a bit too much for an Event you do every 12 hours for a month. Just because there are a few who breeze through it doesn't mean the feedback is any less valid. Everytime someone has a concern about the challenge level, there's always a committee that acts like people just aren't good enough. It's just belittling.

So I’m not allowed to disagree and question your feedback?

In that case, I don’t like the labyrinth of legends because it’s too difficult and the rewards aren’t in proportion to my effort. It’s not fair and the difficulty should be reduced so I can complete each fight in 100 hits. If you don’t like my feedback then you aren’t allowed to tell me my roster isn’t good enough or I need to improve my skills.

. At this point you're just arguing for the sake of being contradictory.

And you’re not?

Not at all. People are expressing their views, and it's not just one or two. There have been quite a few comments and Posts where people have said the same thing. You're not just disagreeing that it's not worth the effort. You're also putting that point of view down by saying people aren't good enough and they want Rewards handed to them. If you had expressed that you don't agree, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead you're criticizing the feedback that people are sharing based on your own judgments.
"Nothing to see here people. Bitter doesn't have a problem with it. There's no problem. Everyone just needs to get better and stop whining."
-.-

Ou_Yeah

I think part of what's maddening about this event is that I am at a skill level where I can make it through expert maybe 30% of the time without much item use (was more like 65% in the previous MODOK). Because of this, I feel like the randomness is punishing me from getting rewards, even though this is "free" so I shouldn't feel entitled to them. If it were a lot more consistent from one try to the next, then I wouldn't feel so bad, even if that consistent outcome was I will not be able to finish it. Then I simply don't try and I'm not wasting my time and don't feel like the randomness is frustrating like it already is with the whole crystal system.

GroundedWisdom

There are those of us that have no issue with Master and still think it's too amped up.

Merovegian

The difficulty is at 10,000 while the rewards are at 5. Why even bring this back?

Blax4ever

@chev327fox

The game is unbalanced in terms of rosters more than skill. If you focused for the 12 fights you could complete the event with 4/40s I’m not sure it’s worth the aggravation tho.

Voluntaris

yeah man, totally hate that it doesn't require any energy ... and those pesky 5 star shards and 5 star sig stones ... i mean, who the heck would want to make their champs stronger?!?! such a WASTE of time!!

/s

Kennado

Boboman wrote: »

ContestOfNoobs wrote: »

sounds like u have a weak roster

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Wise words

Agreed. If I were the OP I'd just focus on the Hard difficulty. Expert is for those with multiple 5* options rank 3 or better.

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colbyscipio987

Fight 6 opponents for 75 4 star shards. Not doing it.

SomeoneElse

beyonder8421 wrote: »

SomeoneElse wrote: »

It’s not worth it because it’s not fun. Games are not supposed to feel like a chore. It doesn’t matter that it doesn’t cost any energy. The randomizer is a horrible idea. This game has randomizers everywhere. It feels like a crutch they use because they can’t come up with better ideas. On top of that, the randomness is very poor. I keep rolling degens. A truly random system would make it very unlikely to happen so often. I hope they never bring this terrible mode back.

I think you are playing the wrong game. After 3 years, I assure you that to get anything you need to do chores. This a very time consuming game that I wouldn't recommend to anyone. If you are new enough here, consider having a healthy life instead.
If you are already hooked, well, just remember it is your choice to do anything in this game. If the labs feel like a chore, don't do them, you can get shards any other way. I personally do not like the labs, feels a bit rigged in the way the randomizer picks the debuffs. But every now and then, I get to fight an OG Vision with "Gambler's Fate" and his random ability is... power lock applied to himself. That was a relief.

My main concern right now is getting gold, and I cannot really get gold without spending my life in arenas. (Have to rank 5 a 5 star). That feels like a chore and unlike the labs, I do not have another choice if I want to rank up.

You seem to have missed the point entirely. There is a difference between a challenge and a chore. We play games to entertain ourselves. Games that are poorly design lose their entertainment value. Most people don’t like to play a game that is too easy. It is more fun to work for something and then get rewarded at the end. The other extreme is to put in a lot of work for little or no reward. This game hovers close to that line all the time. The designers seem to think that if they make us grind for scraps, we will keep playing this game forever. That tactic will work for a while, because unfortunately we are easily addicted, but players will get fed up eventually.

One estimate said that it would take a year to get enough resources to rank up one 6 star champion. A YEAR!!! That is a design failure. Who wants to spend an entire year leveling up one champion? Even worse, the 6 stars will make our 4 stars obsolete eventually, so all the time we have spent leveling those up will be thrown out the window. It seems to be a case where the marketing and sales team controls the direction of the game instead of the game developers, who presumably got into this business because the have a passion for creating video games.

B1gG4z

Not used 1 item yet on these. I agree that they are maybe a little hard on the expert for quite a few players but for some long standing vets like myself it’s a great way for easy shards. Also this gives Kabam the perfect opportunity to find out what node abilities are hard on certain champs so they can put this info into act 6 lol

Mana_Pot

Huh. I guess I might be the only guy that actually enjoys the lab event. I feel like it breaks up the monotony of multiple fights. I think it's exciting to see what buffs come up. It gives me a chance to play around different mechanics or favorites like life transfer. Yeah, it sucks to roll thorns several times in a row, but I honestly feel like it's not that bad. The rewards are decent for master imo, but heroic and below are a bit lacking. That said, everything adds up. I'd rather have this event than no event at all.

DNA3000

SomeoneElse wrote: »

One estimate said that it would take a year to get enough resources to rank up one 6 star champion. A YEAR!!! That is a design failure. Who wants to spend an entire year leveling up one champion? Even worse, the 6 stars will make our 4 stars obsolete eventually, so all the time we have spent leveling those up will be thrown out the window.

That's actually exactly the way it ought to be. All progression games have to manage moving targets: the players today advance, while newer players start from scratch. Every player perceives progressing in the game, but the playerbase as a whole doesn't progress nearly as quickly. You have very fast players reaching the end of the game, a lot of moderate players in the middle, and a constant influx of new players, and you have to balance all of their interests simultaneously with the same game.

As a result, a good design will always introduce the strongest player collectibles at extremely high cost initially. This acts to slow down the relative advancement of the top players relative to the median player and gives them something to do. For them, its not going to take a year or years to advance these things, but it will take them a lot of energy to do so. Meanwhile, over time those very same things will slowly get cheaper and easier to get. So the exact same 6* champion that extracts a ton of effort for the top players to upgrade will take less effort for the next 10% of players to upgrade behind them (because resources will become more readily available) and then eventually after a long period of time the most casual players will catch up and it will be easy for even they to acquire and upgrade them.

The exact same thing happened with 5* champions. They were initially very hard to get and extremely expensive to upgrade. But today they are much easier to acquire and significantly easier to upgrade (bottlenecks notwithstanding). Soon even very casual players will start to accumulate and rank up significant rosters of 5* champions. The same content, but targeted at different tiers of players in the same game over time.

This creates the ideal progression environment for F2P games: spending time and money doesn't get you to anywhere everyone else can't get to, it just gets you there quicker. People pay (in time and money) to be *first* not to be *the only*. That's what makes the game as fair as possible to spenders and not spenders, large gametime players and less gametime players. Everyone gets there eventually, but those that can spend more can get there quicker.

This isn't design failure, this is the target everyone aims for and what most successful games strive to hit.

Dukie5021

Love the lab. Events/quests that cost no energy, no gold, no anything and give rewards will always get a thumbs up from me. Thanks kabam, keep em coming!

NikoBravo

I think its well worth the minimum effort. 0 energy used. Basically free shards.

Dexman1349

LoPresti wrote: »

I didn't miss a single Trial last month, but I'm already burned out on Modoks lab after 3 days. I'm just gonna pretend like this event is not even here, it's better for my health.

This.

And the timing of the events (every 12 hrs) means that players have less flexibility with when they need to log in.

I really liked the Trials. Modok's lab is too much. It honestly feels like an Uncollected monthly quest run twice a day, and starting to not be worth the effort.

Deadbyrd9

Newer players should be be able to complete all difficulties of content that gets released. That’s why there are 4 difficulties of this event. If you can’t do expert then do the rest and build up your roster for the next time it comes around. If you aren’t active enough to hit the quest twice in one day then oh well. This game rewards those that can put in more time. I don’t seee what the problem is with this event

Mr_Otter

I like to think of it as AQ/AW practice. Just to do all the experts I’m dipping into my C team slightly for utility abilities.

If you can’t handle expert (be it roster or skill or hard enemies) then do your best and practice. I’m designated Dormammu killer in Map5 between SL and Voodoo both Duped 4*s. I have to complete my lines with only X23 and only use the others if I mess up in which case Voodoo is next in line to preserve SL for Dorm. I have to be ready to play cool under pressure and while I have failed 2 Expert already I’ve still gained probably close to 2k shards by now.

Rerolls are cheap for gold and I use them a fair amount. If you can’t handle expert then try your hardest and I hope you can get easy enemies but also be happy that hard WILL net you 2.8k 5* shards and a little over 2 full 4* to help fatten your roster a bit.

TL;DR Expert requires expert skill and roster. If you can’t handle it then use it as a learning tool and stick to hard to get 4*s

DNA3000

Mr_Otter wrote: »

I like to think of it as AQ/AW practice.

I've actually been thinking of it as 5.3 and 5.4 practice. I could do those whenever I want, but I would rather try to sharpen my skills enough to do them without spending anything (or at least no units or cash).

Mr_Otter

DNA3000 wrote: »

Mr_Otter wrote: »

I like to think of it as AQ/AW practice.

I've actually been thinking of it as 5.3 and 5.4 practice. I could do those whenever I want, but I would rather try to sharpen my skills enough to do them without spending anything (or at least no units or cash).

Practice is practice. Bottom line it keeps you on your toes and there is never gonna be a perfect team or you’ll forget about a champ or 2 on that line and you’ll have to get by Mordo without Drax or Iceman without Sabertooth (when released) or when you HAVE to fight MODOK in uncollected. It’s probably gonna be ugly but it’s gotta be done

ContestOfNoobs

I already 100% 5.4
became a legend twice

and modok lab is easy for me..

so unless you have progress as far as me or other people in the end game community

1. you lack the roster I have close to 50 5* NOT counting my dupes.
2. maybe ur just not skilled enough? Seatin FTP account already became uncollected AND did 1 full run of act5 in less than what? 7 months?

New players nowadays just want all the rewards, it just goes to show u haven't progress.

Spurgeon14

My main issue is how much easier this event was 3 months ago where you could get 750 5* shards a day. It is significantly harder now and the rewards are significantly worse. They progressed in difficulty but digressed in rewards which lessens the incentive to do the event. I know I don't have to do it and most of the Expert ones I'm not due to the time/reward return.

gohard123

ContestOfNoobs wrote: »

I already 100% 5.4
became a legend twice

and modok lab is easy for me..

so unless you have progress as far as me or other people in the end game community

1. you lack the roster I have close to 50 5* NOT counting my dupes.
2. maybe ur just not skilled enough? Seatin FTP account already became uncollected AND did 1 full run of act5 in less than what? 7 months?

New players nowadays just want all the rewards, it just goes to show u haven't progress.

exactly this. Don't understand why people feel entitled to the rewards.

LoPresti

ContestOfNoobs wrote: »

I already 100% 5.4
became a legend twice

and modok lab is easy for me..

so unless you have progress as far as me or other people in the end game community

1. you lack the roster I have close to 50 5* NOT counting my dupes.
2. maybe ur just not skilled enough? Seatin FTP account already became uncollected AND did 1 full run of act5 in less than what? 7 months?

New players nowadays just want all the rewards, it just goes to show u haven't progress.

I have 100% act 5, Done Lab, and still Modoks Lab is not worth it for me. It's not hard, it's just too time consuming. The trials were amazing. 3 quick fights, once a day. Sure I'll do that. Modok's Lab is just too much, it's not fun.

Idontinkso

FREE , 0 movement. Need your A team or a deep roster.

Part of my previous feedback to the game was to include more random node effects, makes for some interesting fights from champs you normally can take out easily.

Modoks is good for quick mission or beatdown if you don't read the effects or if you don't bring the right kind of champs.

Theres too many different things in the game to do everything 100%, got to pick your battles wisely.